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A Buttery Pastry posted:I feel like this is a tough argument to make as an American. By this logic, the US has carried out acts of war against NATO allies. I don't approve of that either. Not one bit.
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Sekenr posted:Rusdia is not going to attack Ukraine. They love it when everyone is livid and will try to keep it like that permanently. Embassies are evacuating, 4 months from now theyll try to return, russia will shush them away agan. That will kinda ruin Ukraine and the west will get tired of being nervous all the time and say gently caress it you won. ah i see. putin will be defeated by the american small attention span
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I mean, if there were actors looking to obtain manpads for terrorism, they could get literally unlimited numbers from Syria, Libya. They use them to blow up individual guys.
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Feb 12, 2022 22:45
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It's the ideal time to invade Ukraine in absolutely every different perspective from weather, politics, current events, military, etc.
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Feb 12, 2022 22:47
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:It's the ideal time to invade Ukraine in absolutely every different perspective from weather, politics, current events, military, etc. hell let's all invade ukraine. see you there!
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Poland has opened its border with Ukraine for Americans.  I'll might abort the trip if things keep escalating (and don't pop off before then) but yeah it's not just a vacation for shita and giggles so it's not an easy decision. steinrokkan posted:Stingers are antiquated, and the Soviets already knew how to counteract then in the Afghan war, so that doesn't seem like such a big deal... The question with javelins is, would the troops even be able to use them? Did they have enough time? Were they even given enough to do some test shooting?
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Feb 12, 2022 22:51
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Maybe we'll be able to reform Czechoslovakia and grab back Transcarpathian Ruthenia as well
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There is nothing to be gained by invading Ukraine other than a war that Rissia might lose. And there is much tension to be created if they sort of keep it like that.
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Feb 12, 2022 22:53
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i hope russians realize that if putin invades ukraine they will have to deal with "invade ukraine" jokes all the time from lazy comedians and dads trying to be funny any time they go abroad and consume foreign media that mentions russia. is it really worth it?
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:hell let's all invade ukraine. see you there! Heh. We shouldn't but if you are Putin it's the ideal time to order the invasion. Waiting any longer will make it difficult. Way more difficult.
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I cannot actually find any details on inventory lists supplied by US to Ukraine directly. Javelins we’re from Estonia, and Stingers were from Lithuania.
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Sekenr posted:There is nothing to be gained by invading Ukraine other than a war that Rissia might lose. And there is much tension to be created if they sort of keep it like that. Basically, this is true, but it hinges on Putin having all his marbles intact, and also putting his long term goals ahead of whatever short term crises he might perceive as having at home. Also he might believe that he hosed up enough in turning a previously placid Europe against him that realistically he's about to be besieged by hostile peers, and therefore he must grab as much territory as possible while he can. Of course whatever his reasoning, and whatever his aim, he's the one at fault, and there is no excuse for his behaviour.
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Feb 12, 2022 22:58
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Cugel the Clever posted:I've found the nigh exclusive public emphasis on the provision of Javelins to be odd and don't know whether that is just a quirk of the media coverage. Buffing Ukraine's anti-air capabilities is just as important and it looks like some amount of Stingers have been sent, just without the same fanfare. Javelins is what Ukraine needed in 2014 but didn't get because Obama didn't want to upset Putin.
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Ukraine in 2014 was in no state to defend itself even if it had the most advanced arms in the world. You are forgetting that at the time it was a hotly contested question whether the army would even stand with the Maidan, or if it would help Yanukovich hold onto power.
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steinrokkan posted:Stingers are antiquated, and the Soviets already knew how to counteract then in the Afghan war, so that doesn't seem like such a big deal... The question with javelins is, would the troops even be able to use them? Did they have enough time? Were they even given enough to do some test shooting? As for Javelins, they have been delivered to Ukraine since months ago. With western instructors in the country first giving training to Ukrainian officers who then train their own men, I would expect there has been time to train operators to use them at least in theory. How many have had an opportunity to fire a hot round at a practise target is another matter. And for Stinger, the Strelas and Iglas that ex-USSR armies use are just as 'antiquated'. All infrared homing missiles can be countered for, but that doesn't matter. They don't give an explicit warning like radar guided missiles, so they are always dangerous to low flying aircraft. And even when a helicopter or an attack aircraft has time to use flares, they only carry so many of them. A ground unit with lots of MANPADS has a means of keeping enemy choppers and ground attack planes at a distance, or inflicting losses on them.
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Yureina posted:I don't approve of that either. Not one bit. Obviously that isn't who he is, the closest we've got to that are some extremely milquetoast pro-EU politicians with no real will to push for any positive vision. steinrokkan posted:Basically, this is true, but it hinges on Putin having all his marbles intact, and also putting his long term goals ahead of whatever short term crises he might perceive as having at home. Also he might believe that he hosed up enough in turning a previously placid Europe against him that realistically he's about to be besieged by hostile peers, and therefore he must grab as much territory as possible while he can. Of course whatever his reasoning, and whatever his aim, he's the one at fault, and there is no excuse for his behaviour.
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Yeah, we have talked about the polonium poisonings, frankly Europe would have been happy to tolerate dead Russian dissidents as long as daddy Putin kept the energy supply safe... But now he's overstepped his boundary, and it's possible he doesn't see a way to get into Europe's good graces again (while maintaining grasp on power) so who knows what desperate poo poo he might hope would work...
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Flavahbeast posted:There's a very good reason for that: MANPADs proliferating into the black market could be a nightmare in terms of civilian lives lost and PR. You probably can't inflict hundreds of civilian casualties with a single javelin. I'm guessing the stingers are locked down a lot tighter and not dispersed as widely as the javelins, assuming many have arrived at all
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Javelins are also effective at helicopters. You just flick a setting on the control unit from top down attack for tanks, to level attack for helicopters. A small perk of handing out Javalins is that they can't be fired without the separate control unit. The battery for them is also very specific. So it's less likely they will be useful for anyone other than the recipients. Edit: ^ What they said
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United States denies the Russian claim of a US submarine being in their waters. I wonder if USA handles their documents better than UK last summer when HMS Defender had a bit of an encounter in the disputed waters around Crimea:quote:On 27 June, secret documents relating to the passage of HMS Defender through Ukraine's territorial waters were discovered at a bus stop in Kent. These documents revealed that the Royal Navy considered different hypothetical reactions from Russia in response to the ship's passage and was prepared for the possibility that Russia may respond in an aggressive manner.[16] The senior civil servant who lost the files had his security clearance suspended. He had been due to become a United Kingdom ambassador to NATO.[17]
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https://twitter.com/AlexThomp/status/1492631364176433152
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You may reference Seinfeld for your Geopolitics, but we insiders know that Eastern Europeans pay no heed to Seinfeld values, or even the Larry David doctrine; all they know is the genocidal wasteland of Friends (Yeah, I don't think Seinfeld ever aired here? Which sadly means friends is considered pinnacle of comedy to this day)
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https://nvo.ng.ru/realty/2022-02-03/3_1175_donbass.html Fairly interesting military analysis of some key tropes in Russian media, concerning speculative tactical scenarios for the potential invasion.
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steinrokkan posted:You may reference Seinfeld for your Geopolitics, but we insiders know that Eastern Europeans pay no heed to Seinfeld values, or even the Larry David doctrine; all they know is the genocidal wasteland of Friends The sad truth is this all occurred due to a Frasierian dinner party gone awry
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 Volunteers participating in defense training in Lviv.
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Wow they're even better equipped than the Germans!
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The whole invasion force turns anyway because a Ukrainian trooper said get out of here stalker
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If Russian troops ever make it to Lviv, it means that the entire country has fallen and these people should be heading towards the border.
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Russians fail to invade country because the first mission involves getting a PDA using only a PKK
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BoldFace posted:If Russian troops ever make it to Lviv, it means that the entire country has fallen and these people should be heading towards the border. True enough, but Galicians are a tough and patriotic bunch. And excellent baked goods.
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What a cruel joke giving those volunteers toy guns. That guy in the foreground doesn't even get one!
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Man this is going to be bad Zelensky civilian brigade versus the 4th guards tank division.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:I feel like this is a tough argument to make as an American. By this logic, the US has carried out acts of war against NATO allies. You're trying to elevate ad hominem and whataboutisms to a legit argument. As a German, I can call genocide what it is. As an American, I can criticize subverting another country's elections. By your logic, people from any country that have ever done X lose the right to ever criticize X again forever. This is dumb.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Man this is going to be bad Civil defence class is just that, those used to be mandatory for everyone in USSR. My mom can disassemble and reassemble an AK in 2 or 3 minutes, I don't remember what was her exam time. She's a librarian, lest you wonder.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Civil defence class is just that, those used to be mandatory for everyone in USSR. My mom can disassemble and reassemble an AK in 2 or 3 minutes, I don't remember what was her exam time. She's a librarian, lest you wonder. They still do this in many Ukrainian schools. Pretty wild when you see a 12 year old walking through the halls with a demilled AK and a gas mask.
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We only had hand grenade throwing and survival theory. 
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That’s practical! Hand grenades are a leading murder/road rage weapon in EE since the donbas war.
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there're a lot of weapons you can pull out during a road rage situation, but a hand grenade is one of the few that really says, "I mean business'
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Nenonen posted:
I'm a couple decades out of date, but individual ships have distinctive sound signatures. If you can hear it, you can tell which ship it is, and thus who it belongs to. Of more concern is that it was found at all, unless it permitted itself to be detected as a warning of its own kind.
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"" FM of Canada: Given the continued deterioration of the security situation, we will be moving our operations to a temporary office in Lviv and temporarily suspending operations at our embassy in Kyiv, Ukraine. Canada's diplomatic presence and strong engagement in Ukraine will continue "" "" Britain will send Typhoon fighter jets to patrol Romanian airspace in light of tensions in eastern Europe, the Defense Ministry said "" One thing I do hate and see as possibly proof this is all going to end in a normal day is the they keep sending loving jets to fly on NATO air space like why? Russia isn't threatening NATO.
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