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Kraftwerk posted:I think it’s obvious the reason why these cops aren’t getting fired or dealt with is because capital doesn’t want them gone. The wealthy are still gonna do fine in a fascist society so nothings being done. On the plus side it's definitely shook a lot of peoples conditioning about the police
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Feb 13, 2022 05:46
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e: ^I agree with you there, and this reckoning was a long time in coming. People had plenty of opportunities to listen to reason before: INM; BLM; countless Indigenous sovereignty-adjacent protests, and they chose wrong every time. Maybe a bit of a nip on the cheek from the leopard will do them some good.infernal machines posted:Well, we've speculated that he is, but frankly it doesn't matter. If he can't control his own force then he is not capable of performing his duties. Find someone who is. What they do not have is fear, because their not-a-union-union can and will [continue to] agitate to prevent any change that could lead to the disciplinary process becoming useful. Also, and I don't say this as a shot at you, but I'm as confident as I can be that the speculation is true without the firsthand knowledge to assert it outright. He'd lost them before he was even hired, and the colour of his skin wasn't the least of his problems. Kraftwerk posted:What makes me absolutely furious is the double standard. The wheel keeps landing on "IT'S WHITE SUPREMACY STUPID" and everyone insists on spinning it again
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Feb 13, 2022 05:51
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So when (if?) this is all over - there is going to be a bunch of city councillors and residents out for blood from the police. How much power does the city council have over the police force? If it is indeed just mass amounts of officers ignoring orders, can they all just be fired and new recruits hired?
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Feb 13, 2022 05:56
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flakeloaf posted:
This bit is darkly loving hilarious.
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Feb 13, 2022 05:59
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Alctel posted:How much power does the city council have over the police force? If it is indeed just mass amounts of officers ignoring orders, can they all just be fired and new recruits hired? Explain how you'd even go about firing a whole police force who is already ignoring their orders. How are you going to take away their weapons and equipment?
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Feb 13, 2022 06:01
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Alctel posted:So when (if?) this is all over - there is going to be a bunch of city councillors and residents out for blood from the police. Apparently the Board can direct the police chief to achieve a certain goal, but not individual police officers to do particular things. The power to disband the OPS for "flagrantly or repeatedly fail[ing] to comply with prescribed standards of police services" lies with the Ontario Civilian Police Commission; that's s.23(1) of the Police Services Act. In the case that happens, it'd be the OPP who become responsible for policing here and, well, scroll up. That commission can also suspend the chief and/or members of the board, or (and this is the likelist option) appoint an administrator to "perform specified functions WRT police matters for a specified period". I am not optimistic that any of these things will happen.
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Feb 13, 2022 06:06
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Fart Amplifier posted:Explain how you'd even go about firing a whole police force who is already ignoring their orders. How are you going to take away their weapons and equipment?
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Feb 13, 2022 06:13
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flakeloaf posted:Apparently the Board can direct the police chief to achieve a certain goal, but not individual police officers to do particular things. I agree with you regarding Sloley, but even if the rest of your assessment is correct (and I don't doubt that it is), someone has to start these steps anyway, just sitting around wringing their hands that things aren't going the way they're supposed to hasn't worked for the last week and a half.
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Feb 13, 2022 06:23
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Fart Amplifier posted:Explain how you'd even go about firing a whole police force who is already ignoring their orders. How are you going to take away their weapons and equipment? Well I mean that's why I was asking, I don't really know how any of this works
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Feb 13, 2022 06:31
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Generally speaking if a government loses control of its police and military it won’t be the government for very long. I don’t even think the army will follow orders if they get asked to restore order. Especially seeing as our politicians just dismissed (rightfully so) multiple army leaders for sexual crimes. The entire power apparatus of military and policing in this country has to be dismantled and rebuilt from the ground up. But how do you do that when many of the skills and equipment needed are controlled by the same people you need to get rid of?? Kraftwerk fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Feb 13, 2022 |
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Feb 13, 2022 06:33
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Grouchio posted:The army rolls in and arrests them? That would be a disaster.
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Feb 13, 2022 06:33
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Kraftwerk posted:Generally speaking if a government loses control of its police and military it won’t be the government for very long. I don’t even think the army will follow orders if they get asked to restore order. For more on this topic, we turn to special correspondent Ashraf Ghani
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Feb 13, 2022 06:40
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flakeloaf posted:For more on this topic, we turn to special correspondent Ashraf Ghani Yeah… it’s hard not to panic right now. Everyone thinks it’s Canada so nothing bad ever happens here. But I think because of that and because of how radicalized these people are we could be seeing our government illegally overthrown in a very short time.
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Feb 13, 2022 06:50
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Kraftwerk posted:I think it’s obvious the reason why these cops aren’t getting fired or dealt with is because capital doesn’t want them gone. The wealthy are still gonna do fine in a fascist society so nothings being done.
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Feb 13, 2022 06:52
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killer_robot posted:How the hell destroying trade between US and CN 'helping capital'. Because they’ll absorb short term losses for the long term gain of having a full right wing government in Canada that undoes all the things that are politically inconvenient for America.
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Feb 13, 2022 06:58
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Feb 13, 2022 07:00
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Fart Amplifier posted:That would be a disaster.
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Feb 13, 2022 07:03
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So what would it take to get a full right wing from capital's viewpoint govt in Canada? When was the last time Canada even had a full right wing govt? How is pissing on war memorials and making it impossible to navigate through the city supposed to convince a parliamentary system to go full right wing? Are people being swayed by the tactics? Or is just a big assed, intimidating mob that the Mounties don't want to deal with because they have a lot more assault rifles, tactics, finances and logistics than pop-up indigenous peoples protesters could hope to have?
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Feb 13, 2022 07:07
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It's the second one by a wide margin, with an asterisk for the foreign organization and funding.Kraftwerk posted:Yeah… it’s hard not to panic right now. Everyone thinks it’s Canada so nothing bad ever happens here. But I think because of that and because of how radicalized these people are we could be seeing our government illegally overthrown in a very short time. Would Biden allow that? Cause I have the suspicion Biden wouldn't allow that
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Feb 13, 2022 07:08
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flakeloaf posted:Would Biden allow that? Cause I have the suspicion Biden wouldn't allow that Why would Biden save us?
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Feb 13, 2022 07:32
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flakeloaf posted:It's the second one by a wide margin, with an asterisk for the foreign organization and funding. I don’t know what Biden would or wouldn’t allow and at this point I’m not even sure how much power he has to stop it given his own political fortunes back home. The right is in full ascent and nothing is slowing them down. If the United States has to cross our borders and step in to stop this then that sets a very nasty precedent when the next Republican president decides our abortion laws or healthcare system offends his Christian sensibilities and gives us ultimatums for the next time troops cross the border. I would rather our government handle this if possible without outside assistance. But at this point only trudeau and his advisers know if they have any reliable military or RCMP divisions to deploy here.
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Feb 13, 2022 07:32
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Man, if JT gets his “just watch me” moment…
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Feb 13, 2022 07:41
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The War Measures Act was dissolved in 88, so it’s unlikely. (As much as I’d love to see it invoked on these nazis, it led to things like Japanese Internment so it is objectively A Bad Thing.)
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Feb 13, 2022 08:11
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ChickenDoodle posted:The War Measures Act was dissolved in 88, so it’s unlikely. Replaced by the Emergencies Act.
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Feb 13, 2022 08:39
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Rust Martialis posted:Replaced by the Emergencies Act. I literally just got to that part of the Wiki, ope. Thanks for the reminder. Would love to see him do it. Come on, Trudeau. It’s now or never.
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Feb 13, 2022 08:42
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Grouchio posted:Would it be any worse than the October Crisis? Depends on if you consider the overthrow of the current government for an explicitly fascistic one is worse, I suppose. I sincerely can't even begin to imagine what Trudeau is thinking. Is he legitimately worried or is he just laughing it off because it's Canada Eh, boys will be boys and this'll be forgotten this time next year! I know the Conservatives are convinced that they won't be hanging from the rafters when things go full turner diaries (they definitely will be, these are the same kind of people that wanted to hang mike pence), but are the liberals convinced that since they don't really believe in things like indigenous rights or public housing that they'll be safe? Acerbatus fucked around with this message at 08:49 on Feb 13, 2022 |
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Feb 13, 2022 08:46
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If the armed forces are actually full of chuds then we should legit be asking for a US invasion and annexation because our government is effectively already couped, and say what you will about the hosed up incentives of the US military, they aren’t Qanon psychos
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Feb 13, 2022 09:54
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https://mobile.twitter.com/jacoblorinc/status/1492847772449619968 Sounds like arrests are finally happening at the bridge.
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Feb 13, 2022 14:11
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And gee, only a whole two days after the injection was supposed to go into effect. Boy golly, aren't our police swift moving? Let me guess, the people being arrested are ciunter-protestors, aren't they.
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Feb 13, 2022 14:29
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sniper4625 posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/jacoblorinc/status/1492847772449619968 Is this really just them worried bout an optics thing
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Feb 13, 2022 14:30
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:Is this really just them worried bout an optics thing If police work on Sunday do they get extra OT pay? Maybe it was just simple grift after all.
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Feb 13, 2022 15:26
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Fart Amplifier posted:That would be a disaster. This is already a disaster. The longer this goes on the more concerned I'm becoming about an actual attempted government overthrow. I look at the chain of who could actually enforce anything here and it doesn't look good. Our nation's capital police force has fully revolted and is no longer responding to orders, they are basically an enemy to the state at this point. Are we really sure that they would prevent occupiers from storming Parliament? If one were to disband them, you replace them with what, OPP or RCMP? That's not exactly an improvement, they are all infected by right-wing extremists. None of them can be considered a reliable force. The military is crap also but I think they would actually do something. Not 100% sure but it's a better bet than any police. Hell, I would be on board with something crazy like importing 5,000 french riot police, although that's of course not anything that would ever be done. In any case, this is the end result of allowing law enforcement to reign unchecked for decades.
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Feb 13, 2022 15:44
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Fidelitious posted:
Au contraire, mon ami. It's just the beginning
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Feb 13, 2022 15:47
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Guys There are actually consequences in the military for refusing to carry out lawful orders Unlike the cops who pick and choose which orders they follow with no consequences It might be at the point that Coutts and Ottawa might need da truups brought in, lordy it'd be interesting to see the vandoos in Alberta.
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Feb 13, 2022 16:02
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MA-Horus posted:It might be at the point that Coutts and Ottawa might need da truups brought in, lordy it'd be interesting to see the vandoos in Alberta. The immediate consequence of that would be those troops becoming unavailable to go to Kyiv, which I think we've all accepted is the whole point. Fidelitious posted:This is already a disaster. If this happens to be the final straw, Canada is going to have some uncomfortable interventions about our relationship with white supremacy, and the backlash from people who refuse to live in a world where the cishet christian male isn't on top are gonna make Pat King look like Larry King. I don't pretend to know anything about PPS, but I can't see them taking any kind of meaningful stand against a group large enough to overwhelm the OPS. A small dog with sharp teeth locked in a little car doesn't have much of a reason to take poo poo from anybody, so whatever the culture is in there probably won't be swayed by what's going on out here. Legally, I still think the most likely step is for the civilian board to appoint an administrator to run the police service. I have no idea what Queen's Park might do to castigate the mayor and council for letting it get to this point, and I have mixed feelings about finding that out firsthand.
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Feb 13, 2022 16:08
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https://twitter.com/OccTranspo/status/1492865604436606979 Cool. Cool cool cool cool cool. Cool.
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Feb 13, 2022 16:12
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flakeloaf posted:https://twitter.com/OccTranspo/status/1492865604436606979 Grouchio fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Feb 13, 2022 |
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Feb 13, 2022 16:13
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Cut 10% from the Ottawa Police budget every day until the trucks are gone holy gently caress this is ridiculous.
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Feb 13, 2022 16:21
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Technically the British maintain the right to intervene if Canada goes off the rails but it's a long trip and they'd probably not want to bother with the mess
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