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I'm doing a reread and just started book 3. There's a lot less braid tugging and skirt smoothing than I recall. Has there been an edit, or does that come later in the series?
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Feb 13, 2022 20:26
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Lucid Nonsense posted:I'm doing a reread and just started book 3. There's a lot less braid tugging and skirt smoothing than I recall. Has there been an edit, or does that come later in the series? It adds up over the course of the series.
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Feb 13, 2022 20:42
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Lucid Nonsense posted:I'm doing a reread and just started book 3. There's a lot less braid tugging and skirt smoothing than I recall. Has there been an edit, or does that come later in the series? It peaks in book 6 and then falls off a cliff. Its mostly a meme thing fans really latched on to more than anything that really happens a lot. Here's the thread about it with numbers. It shows up a bit more than this because they only searched for exact phrases, but its hardly omni-present. https://www.reddit.com/r/WoT/comments/60t4n8/stats_for_braids_tugged_skirts_smoothed/ Like one third of all the Braid Tugs in the series happen in The Dragon Reborn while Skirts don't really get smoothed until The Fires of Heaven which is wild. You can see how some phrases fell in and out of Jordan's writing over time. Zore fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Feb 13, 2022 |
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Feb 13, 2022 21:12
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Though Nynaeve does almost pull her braid out of her head during a confrontation with the Kin, I don't remember which book
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Feb 13, 2022 21:27
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Zore posted:It peaks in book 6 and then falls off a cliff. Its mostly a meme thing fans really latched on to more than anything that really happens a lot. It's the same as Stephen Donaldson, who in the Thomas Covenant books uses a different weird adjective repeatedly in each book. The one I remember is "roynish", but there were others.
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Feb 13, 2022 22:50
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Been waiting 9 books but I’m finally here: “Rand al’Thor,” Nynaeve shrieked, “that is the most outrageous thing I ever heard out of your mouth! The very idea of telling three women you love them! You’re worse than a lecher! You apologize right now!” Lan had snatched his pipe from his mouth and was staring at Rand.” 
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Feb 13, 2022 23:20
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Though Nynaeve does almost pull her braid out of her head during a confrontation with the Kin, I don't remember which book In Lord of Chaos even the Aes Sedai joke about how much she pulls that braid, so if nothing else it's an intentional quirk in the writing, not just of the writing.
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Feb 13, 2022 23:35
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So Rand’s polycule just bonded him and now he’s dicking down Elayne. Min just had a viewing of Aviendha that she’s gonna have 4 of his kids when they run into Birgitte. Birgitte is having difficulty walking because she doesn’t know how to mask the bond I’m assuming, then she almost topples over from an implied orgasm  WH is the horniest the series has ever been.
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Feb 14, 2022 00:47
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In a Cadsuane pov chapter, what does this bit about Caraline Damodred’s cousin mean? Is that talking about Luc? “Once she had thought herself on the point of rooting out the Black only to watch her quarry slip through her fingers like smoke, her bitterest failure except possibly for failing to learn what Caraline Damodred’s cousin had been up to in the Borderlands until the knowledge was years too late to do any good.”
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Feb 14, 2022 02:00
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Hexel posted:In a Cadsuane pov chapter, what does this bit about Caraline Damodred’s cousin mean? Is that talking about Luc? I thought Luc was related to Lan (and the other half related to Rand). She must be talking about Moiraine’s exploits in New Spring or EotW + the great hunt.
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Feb 14, 2022 02:01
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Luc was Tigraine's brother, Isam was the one that looked like Lan. But yeah that's probably referring to Moiraine. Probably new spring, it wasn't that many years since eotw at that point.
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Feb 14, 2022 02:07
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van fem posted:I thought Luc was related to Lan (and the other half related to Rand). She must be talking about Moiraine’s exploits in New Spring or EotW + the great hunt. Luc is Tigraine's brother, Rand's uncle. Isam is Lan's cousin. Caraline Damodred is Moiraine's cousin.
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Feb 14, 2022 02:10
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So Cadsuane was crabbing internally about Moiraine. I keep forgetting Cadsuane doesn’t show up until after the red doorway.
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Feb 14, 2022 02:35
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I dont think it's ever mentioned, but I wonder if Lanfear used Balefire to drill the Bore?
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Feb 14, 2022 02:43
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Hexel posted:So Rand’s polycule just bonded him and now he’s dicking down Elayne. Min just had a viewing of Aviendha that she’s gonna have 4 of his kids when they run into Birgitte. It's not a polycule.
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Feb 14, 2022 02:48
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How are u posted:It's not a polycule. It is a polycule with 3 metamores. Also known as an asterisk polycule.
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Feb 14, 2022 02:56
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How are u posted:It's not a polycule.  but it should be
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Feb 14, 2022 02:58
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Hexel posted:
And almost certainly will be if the show goes that long. I can't imagine they won't move Elayne and Aviendha from "First Sisters" to full on lovers considering that they already did the same with Moiraine and Siuan.
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Feb 14, 2022 04:38
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How are u posted:It's not a polycule. I hate to agree with How are U but they're right. It's more of a harem setup that the 3 women reluctantly make peace with. jng2058 posted:And almost certainly will be if the show goes that long. I can't imagine they won't move Elayne and Aviendha from "First Sisters" to full on lovers considering that they already did the same with Moiraine and Siuan. Moiraine and Siuan were already canonically lovers in the books. They didn't change that for the show. The only arguable difference is the relationship still being active by the time she's found the Dragon. And poly relationships don't require that everyone be a lover of each other. What they do require is willing consent of all involved and that only happens in the books after they're basically forced into it.
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Feb 14, 2022 04:58
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jng2058 posted:And almost certainly will be if the show goes that long. I can't imagine they won't move Elayne and Aviendha from "First Sisters" to full on lovers considering that they already did the same with Moiraine and Siuan. He's already said he's more interested in polyamory than polygamy in reference to someone asking if Rand's romance will remain close to the books.
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Feb 14, 2022 05:02
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If the show doesn't spend an entire episode explaining in excruciating detail the type of relationships each character has with in depth arguments about what words are appropriate to describe both the relationships and the characters themselves it will be a complete failure
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Feb 14, 2022 05:03
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Simple. Just have all the main characters end up in poly relationships. Cut Gawain/Galad and have Perrin/Faile/Egwene/Berelain end up in a weird square. Mat obviously hooks up with Tuon/Talmanes/Noal. Nynaeve/Lan/Moiraine/Siuan/Thom/Gareth/Morgase/Tallanvor becomes an incredibly complicated and thorny one.
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Feb 14, 2022 05:18
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Jaxyon posted:I hate to agree with How are U but they're right. Moiraine and Siuan had essentially a college fling with each other in the books. Notably in the books, both of them find a man to be their "one true love", not the other, where as they've made it pretty clear that show Moiraine and Siuan are very much in love with each other right now. As far as the rest, Min and Elayne talk about it, then Elayne and Aviendha talk about it, then all three of them talk about it, then finally they all talk about it together with Rand. Min's the only one even close to "forced" into it, and that's mostly because of her fatalistic view towards her own visions. "Well, I saw it, so it's gonna happen, better get used to the idea." Forced by fate, I guess? I dunno, the whole thing's weird.  CainFortea posted:He's already said he's more interested in polyamory than polygamy in reference to someone asking if Rand's romance will remain close to the books. Now that you mention it, I think I read that somewhere as well. Going to be interesting to see how they play that in the show!
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Feb 14, 2022 05:18
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If the three women thing is important, shuffle the times around a little and have Rand have a relationship/smashfest with each in turn, instead of simultaneously.
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Feb 14, 2022 05:23
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:If the three women thing is important, shuffle the times around a little and have Rand have a relationship/smashfest with each in turn, instead of simultaneously. I mean that's almost exactly how it already works in the books anyways. He's sort of BF/GF with Egwene until they officially break up in Shadow Rising where he then spends about 6 weeks making out with Elayne. Then he and Aviendha have their fraught will they/won't they sexual tension until they bang once and split up. Then he's just sort of in a monogamous relationship with Min for the rest of the books and barely sees or talks to Elayne or Aviendha except when they make the booty call trip to Caemlyn to hook up with Elayne in Winter's Heart.
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Feb 14, 2022 05:28
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Zore posted:I mean that's almost exactly how it already works in the books anyways. He's sort of BF/GF with Egwene until they officially break up in Shadow Rising where he then spends about 6 weeks making out with Elayne. Then he and Aviendha have their fraught will they/won't they sexual tension until they bang once and split up. Then he's just sort of in a monogamous relationship with Min for the rest of the books and barely sees or talks to Elayne or Aviendha except when they make the booty call trip to Caemlyn to hook up with Elayne in Winter's Heart. He also gets one last fling with Aviendha right before the last battle, presumably so she can conceive her quadruplets.
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Feb 14, 2022 05:36
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jng2058 posted:Moiraine and Siuan had essentially a college fling with each other in the books. Notably in the books, both of them find a man to be their "one true love", not the other, where as they've made it pretty clear that show Moiraine and Siuan are very much in love with each other right now. "college flings" is bisexual erasure. These people live extraordinarily long lives and those two have been emotionally close and working on the same mission for decades. You implied that making them lovers was a change from the books, and the only thing that changed was it explicitly being current. For all we know the only reason it's not active in the books is a because they're having to play it as them not being friends for political purposes and there's no travelling/sex ter'angreal to allow them to be together with nobody noticing. They could still grow apart and find new partners and have it be almost exactly the same as the book. quote:As far as the rest, Min and Elayne talk about it, then Elayne and Aviendha talk about it, then all three of them talk about it, then finally they all talk about it together with Rand. Min's the only one even close to "forced" into it, and that's mostly because of her fatalistic view towards her own visions. "Well, I saw it, so it's gonna happen, better get used to the idea." Forced by fate, I guess? I dunno, the whole thing's weird. Yean and "forced into it", by fate or the women teaming up, is not how polyamory works. All 3 of the women explicitly say they would never be OK with the situation if fate hadn't decreed it. It's not polyamory, because most likely RJ had no real knowledge of polyamory. It's written like a harem fantasy and that's what it is.
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Feb 14, 2022 05:40
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St0rmD posted:He also gets one last fling with Aviendha right before the last battle, presumably so she can conceive her quadruplets. Thats what I meant by shuffle the times around a bit so it works a bit better. But hey, whatev.
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Feb 14, 2022 05:45
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Jaxyon posted:"college flings" is bisexual erasure. These people live extraordinarily long lives and those two have been emotionally close and working on the same mission for decades. You implied that making them lovers was a change from the books, and the only thing that changed was it explicitly being current. For all we know the only reason it's not active in the books is a because they're having to play it as them not being friends for political purposes and there's no travelling/sex ter'angreal to allow them to be together with nobody noticing. Ah, got it, no interest in actual discussion. Your way or the highway. Cool, cool. Thanks for the head's up. Ignore it is!
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Feb 14, 2022 05:46
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So the show is now expensive slashfic? If they lean hard into that it is going to crash and burn hard.
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Feb 14, 2022 05:49
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St0rmD posted:He also gets one last fling with Aviendha right before the last battle, presumably so she can conceive her quadruplets. I always assumed they were conceived post-body swap based on Min's viewings that they were Rand's children but strange and uh clearly did not look like him. Like we know they all know he's alive at the end of the series and the ending pretty clearly implies he's going to keep meeting up with them in the future. I do wonder if he ends up ever telling his kids who he is or if he's just their mother's reclusive boyfriend forever.
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Feb 14, 2022 05:52
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Collateral posted:So the show is now expensive slashfic? If they lean hard into that it is going to crash and burn hard. Why?
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Feb 14, 2022 07:58
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Zore posted:I mean that's almost exactly how it already works in the books anyways. He's sort of BF/GF with Egwene until they officially break up in Shadow Rising where he then spends about 6 weeks making out with Elayne. Then he and Aviendha have their fraught will they/won't they sexual tension until they bang once and split up. Then he's just sort of in a monogamous relationship with Min for the rest of the books and barely sees or talks to Elayne or Aviendha except when they make the booty call trip to Caemlyn to hook up with Elayne in Winter's Heart. This highlights how much of a harem fantasy the books are. At the end, Rand thinks to himself that he just can’t decide among the three of them. I dunno dude, maybe the one who stuck with you through your darkest moments and who you banged more than twice
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Feb 14, 2022 09:20
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All they need to do is have Elayne and Aviendha kiss once then everybody can be satisfied. Maybe have a pillow fight in their small clothes too 
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Feb 14, 2022 12:30
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Hexel posted:All they need to do is have Elayne and Aviendha kiss once then everybody can be satisfied. dunno sounds kinda harem fantasy to me
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Feb 14, 2022 12:39
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:dunno sounds kinda harem fantasy to me The whole series is harem fantasy The only realistic relationship in there is Rand + Aviendha. Min got Ta'veren'd and Elayne falls for the first dude who ever kissed her and copped a feel.
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Feb 14, 2022 12:49
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Hexel posted:The whole series is harem fantasy that's not true!!! it's also power fantasy of unleashing fully sick magic storms on beastmen
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Feb 14, 2022 12:51
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Zore posted:I always assumed they were conceived post-body swap based on Min's viewings that they were Rand's children but strange and uh clearly did not look like him. I thought in Aviendha's future-vision, they were publicly known to be the Dragon's children. Granted, her future-vision is apparently hypothetical, so idkwtf.
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St0rmD posted:I thought in Aviendha's future-vision, they were publicly known to be the Dragon's children. Granted, her future-vision is apparently hypothetical, so idkwtf. Right but she slept with him before he died so even if they were fathered a bit after the Last Battle she could still easily claim they were conceived then. Its not like pregnancy is an exact timeline Then MoriRand just sort of skulks around for the rest of his life, possibly with only Elayne/Avi/Min knowing he's alive and not his 6+ children that they're raising?
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