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stingtwo posted:heres the donuts https://imgur.com/PsLgIRN The editor was there because cig was accused of being racist and firing people. Specifically it was women. The rumor was that other women who worked at cig could not be better, look better, or be cuter than Sandi. Rumor also indicated she would ridicule people for not being porn star shaven on their body, ready at a moments notice to start doing nude scenes. This may or may not be true, but it may also feed from sandis career as a tickle porn star immediately prior to being the best marketer in the world with multiple Ivy League degrees. And of course being a marine biologist. So the editor was there because rumor had it the last person they fired was a black lady, and cig had to protest that they hired people of color, so they made sure the editor got camera time for several episodes to prove how inclusive cig was. Feel free to correct me if I got any of this wrong. It's been a while for this subset of knowledge and memory. 
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And she was not the first one. This meme birthed because it was a few rumors about this behavior from other women, including the aforementioned black lady. Sandi was basically queen of cig and that was that. You either went with it or bad things happened to you- according to rumors.
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Viscous Soda posted:In the nostalgia trip the last couple pages did anyone list when you could view the tags the devs left about you? There was like "Goon" "high maintenance" and "snowflake" IIRC These were discovered flags in CIGs Zendesk customer service system of I believe. It was another outrage because cig was flagging people based on their behavior at other sites entirely, tracking people and what they do and post about. All of this stuff was part of the big final confrontation with Beer4TheBeerGod, if I recall. Ultimately leading up to both Sandi and Chris exiting the cig social stream entirely, resulting in the empty, cold cig we have today where the only humor is in their continued lack of progress with the game(s).
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Colostomy Bag posted:Maybe already mentioned...the Sandi cardboard cutout during the Archergate fiasco. This was part of Archergate, where cig proudly displayed the life size cardboard cutout of Sandi in a flight suit. It turned out to be like the suit from the movie Stealth with sandis head photoshopped on it. After discovery by goons, it was removed from the background of future YouTube episodes. There was a whole host of this kind of stuff, lots of misuse of models from image sites, reusing art from another video game for promotional art for the Banu merchantman, using licensed hotel art for future city scapes, etc. This is the Stealth movie art piece they stole and put sandis head on: 
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Viscous Soda posted:In the nostalgia trip the last couple pages did anyone list when you could view the tags the devs left about you? There was like "Goon" "high maintenance" and "snowflake" IIRC Mine said: Goon Major Tom (or peter gabriel, I can't remember) Snowflake Do Not Engage  It was all in the source code of your zen desk support page if you right clicked and viewed source
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The Titanic posted:There was a whole host of this kind of stuff, lots of misuse of models from image sites, reusing art from another video game for promotional art for the Banu merchantman, using licensed hotel art for future city scapes, etc. I remember in the collage of stolen art that included a Hilton hotel that they forgot to photoshop the logo off, there was some guy standing around on the poster to make it look populated. It turned out to be some guy who was walking around a park with his wife and somehow CIG got a picture of that and just decided to toss it in. I don't remember how on earth that ever got figured out. I just love the idea of CIG just openly stealing actual work that actual people do, and mashing it together to represent a fake game that their fake development studio is failing to make.
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Blue On Blue posted:it may very well be, but i distinctly remember a picture from one of their media accounts, with a woman standing in front of men with cameras, wearing no top (shot from behind), and it was something something 'fidelity scanning this female model for star citizen-- another hard day in the office' etc etc type thing That lady said her 5 year old will be excited to see her in a video game. That 5 year old is gonna turn 14 this year lol
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Codependent Poster posted:That lady said her 5 year old will be excited to see her in a video game. At least he'll be spared the embarrassment of his mom posing nude for criminals since the game will never come out.
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peter gabriel posted:Mine said: Fuckin'  Hi all, first time poster after spending the last like 4 months reading this ridiculous thread. I had no idea star citizen was even still a thing until a goon told me about it last year, I thought it was just another failed kickstarter from years ago. The question that fascinates me is: At exactly what point did Chris Roberts know that no game will ever be delivered and the whole thing is a giant ongoing fraud? Is it... (a) He planned it as a grift from the very beginning to separate gullible rubes from their money. (b) By about the second or third major missed deadline and the attendant lies, he realized the game was a lost cause but the whales were so easily deluded he could milk them for years to come, and did so and is still doing so. (c) At some point in the ~6 years between there and here. or (d) He still doesn't know it, his narcissism has detached him so far from reality that he still believes he's developing a game, while the people around him encourage his delusions while gleefully lining their pockets with nerdcash. For the longest time I was prepared to believe (b), but I think if you pay attention to how much cash was spent, on what, when, it becomes nigh impossible to conclude anything but that if it isn't (d) it must be (a).
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It's d, but also he lost interest years ago and would like the whole thing to gently caress off now
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Eric the Mauve posted:Fuckin' I'd say it's (d). This loving guy has spent his entire life trying to make the exact same game over and over and over again, and the one time he managed it, it wasn't even him - other people working with him did the work, while he sat there with his thumb up his rear end. "Derivative space game with cutscenes" has been this guy's driving force since before 1990. He didn't know he wasn't making the games back when the first two came out (others who worked with him have that credit), how likely is it that he doesn't realize he's not making this one either? In the past other developers saved his rear end by actually making something, either by just making the game then getting away from him (early WC titles), or firing him and scrapping his work and starting over (Freelancer). This time there's nobody to save him, so this is, in the end, nothing more than a Developer Make-a-Wish foundation where the public funds an endless Real Game Developer playset for Chris to live in for the rest of his life.
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Eric the Mauve posted:Fuckin' Hi! Mix of c and d probably. It didn't start out as stealing and lies, but the Kickstarter came to a close, and the stretch goals got endlessly funded, and CR realized he could say literally anything and it resulted in money... CR wasn't made of wholesome moral fiber from the outset, and since backers never held him to the fire and still don't, he's got no reason to stop. A long time ago it was identified that sc actually releasing is worse than if it just remains in perpetual development forever. So here we are, perpetual development forever, where the lies don't come quite as fast and strong, but something else is obviously happening behind the garage door opener doors at cig. My thought is they're working on other video games. They could also be making movie assets for Hollywood insider buddies, transforming into another ILM on the backers dime. Who knows. Anybodys guess.
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Scruffpuff posted:I'd say it's (d). This loving guy has spent his entire life trying to make the exact same game over and over and over again, and the one time he managed it, it wasn't even him - other people working with him did the work, while he sat there with his thumb up his rear end. "Derivative space game with cutscenes" has been this guy's driving force since before 1990. He didn't know he wasn't making the games back when the first two came out (others who worked with him have that credit), how likely is it that he doesn't realize he's not making this one either? In the past other developers saved his rear end by actually making something, either by just making the game then getting away from him (early WC titles), or firing him and scrapping his work and starting over (Freelancer). This time there's nobody to save him, so this is, in the end, nothing more than a Developer Make-a-Wish foundation where the public funds an endless Real Game Developer playset for Chris to live in for the rest of his life. I'd say his zeal is less "making games" and more "making movies" and all the things that go into the movie side. He's just stuck in games because that's the only place where there's no major competition or expectations to actually make the movie. Hopefully someday sq404 will emerge as the best drat YouTube video ever. 
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Scruffpuff posted:At least he'll be spared the embarrassment of his mom posing nude for criminals since the game will never come out. She already posed nude for criminals. On camera, like it's still on youtube ffs. That poor kid
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The Titanic posted:I'd say his zeal is less "making games" and more "making movies" and all the things that go into the movie side. Chris never understood the difference between movies and games in the first place. He has a pathological focus on "Hollywood," which is even funnier now that Hollywood and movies in general are long past their prime, and to him everything is better as a movie. Got a book? That should be a movie. Got a game? Let's make it play like a movie. Let's interrupt everything you're loving doing every 2 seconds so we can toss in an animation so it's "like a movie." I've been playing Dying Light 2 and I gotta say, more than a few times I thought to myself "Was Chris Roberts brought in to consult?" because that loving game takes control away from the player so frequently, so jarringly, and with no goddamned warning, that more than once I just tossed the controller down and said "OK gently caress it I guess I'm not playing a game." Half Life 2 found a way to tell a story and have in-game cutscenes in loving 2004 and we're still suffering from this bullshit. So the Crobbler is not alone in his obsession. He's just too incompetent to make it into reality. Scruffpuff fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Feb 13, 2022 |
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Thoatse posted:She already posed nude for criminals. On camera, like it's still on youtube ffs. That poor kid Yeah I meant more like it becoming common knowledge. Despite this thread, SC is largely invisible to the general public.
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Very occasionally, I wish I had put money into this dumpster fire so I could drum up more righteous indignation about it, rather than a sort of “dissociated” indignation/ I have had all these years. But that would have required me to throw money into the dumpster fire and fund terrible people doing stupid things so I guess there’s that 
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.random posted:Very occasionally, I wish I had put money into this dumpster fire so I could drum up more righteous indignation about it, rather than a sort of “dissociated” indignation/ Well you could pretend you were a space marshal and start arresting unbelievers in reddit. As a bonus, your karma would sky rocket.
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Scruffpuff posted:Chris never understood the difference between movies and games in the first place. He has a pathological focus on "Hollywood," which is even funnier now that Hollywood and movies in general are long past their prime, and to him everything is better as a movie. Got a book? That should be a movie. Got a game? Let's make it play like a movie. Let's interrupt everything you're loving doing every 2 seconds so we can toss in an animation so it's "like a movie." I have no details on how movies are approved, but I think it'd be cute to be on the approval side of a Chris movie. "So... this ship is from halo, this looks like the drop ship from aliens. Looks like your dune buggy is from halo also. You've got promotional art from other movies where you guys just photoshopped your own heads over these popular actors. And it looks like the most original monster you proudly showed off is literally the sandworm from dune. I'm not even sure how we can get this in theaters without problems, Chris. Everything in it is somebody else's IP. And before you say it, no, another world war 2 in space has been done before. And your theme for the good guys is just like the rebel alliance, again, from Star Wars."
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marumaru posted:They can barely contain their laughter lmao I haven't watched much of sandi, but why does she creep me out so much
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L. Ron Hoover posted:I haven't watched much of sandi, but why does she creep me out so much The fake smile,the rigidness,the inability to come across as sincere.
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Beet Wagon posted:I think this might be one of my favorite star citizen clips. It's got it all: horrible desync, a guy almost running himself to death, a big empty brown planet, noclip spaceships, and the fundamental pointlessness of trying to do "combined arms" poo poo in a world where every player has an incredibly powerful spaceship they can use for any task This video is loving amazing. Then you read the comments that faithful Star Citizens are making on the video and it's even better. They're praising the game and how cool and amazing it can be... on a video that shows how terrible the game really is lol.
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L. Ron Hoover posted:I haven't watched much of sandi, but why does she creep me out so much Lots of people can sense a psychopath and get uncomfortable around them. A friend of mine was dating one back in college, occasionally I had to either pick her up or drive her somewhere as a favor to him, and the entire time I was trying to hide how uncomfortable I was the entire time she was in my car. I'd be clenching the 10 and 2 position and engaging in the smallest of small talk, and when she'd finally get out of the car, I'd realize I'd been practically holding my breath the entire trip. She had the same empty, glassy, calculating stare, like a snake working out which angle would be easiest to constrict you to death.
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peter gabriel posted:Mine said: drat they got you by name? That just goes to show the refunds subreddit never was the big bad all the faithful thought it was lol
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Beet Wagon posted:I think this might be one of my favorite star citizen clips. It's got it all: horrible desync, a guy almost running himself to death, a big empty brown planet, noclip spaceships, and the fundamental pointlessness of trying to do "combined arms" poo poo in a world where every player has an incredibly powerful spaceship they can use for any task none of this ever happened to me or any of my friends in our org. buy an ssd!
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Eric the Mauve posted:The question that fascinates me is: At exactly what point did Chris Roberts know that no game will ever be delivered and the whole thing is a giant ongoing fraud? Is it... I think it's a mix of B and D (but let's leave the Tickler In Black out of this  ) -- I think he recognized that the project was deeply hosed 3 years in but still thought it would make a good springboard to get back into movies. I mean, he shot mocap with Hollywood stars! He had a fancy LA office that would be sure to the impress movie-industry bigwigs who would of course want to come talk to him! He owned an IP that people threw hundreds of millions of dollars at for literally nothing in return! All he had to do was keep the lights on, and surely he'd be able to leave for a new, exciting career opportunity and take on a more producer-like role with CIG while leaving his beloved Star Citizen under the capable direction of Erin or whoever.Of course, that opportunity didn't materialize, because Hollywood is a fickle mistress who looks at someone who directed a notorious flop and then became a dodgy producer and got blacklisted by an A-list star for breach of contract as, like, bad for business or something. But the Star Citizen money kept rolling in, and because Chris thinks that all it takes to turn his brilliant ideas into a functional, successful game is having nearly infinite time and nearly infinite money, now he's pot-committed to option D. He'll lie to try to get more money out of investors and backers. He'll yell at employees for failing him. He'll obsess over shoelaces and mess hall choreography. He will grit his teeth and assume that sure, it's hosed now, but a few more years and a few more hundred million dollars will do the trick -- it will work out in the end, because it has to.
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AndreTheGiantBoned posted:Where is that gif from? One of the cit-con things,she’d just done a bit to camera and the shot stayed on her too long at which point the resting lich face resumed.
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AndreTheGiantBoned posted:Where is that gif from? A Christmas live stream I think? The whole live stream was moment to moment lol, kind of why I think they stopped doing live streams. I think it was then that the next CitizenCon stream was going to be paid to watch because they where going to have to hire a real company to produce it.
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Beet Wagon posted:drat they got you by name? That just goes to show the refunds subreddit never was the big bad all the faithful thought it was lol Yup lol, I must have a screenshot if that somewhere, at the time someone pointed out that in emails to me and on that zen thingy they referred to me as major tom, even though my account name was not that
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Eric the Mauve posted:The question that fascinates me is: At exactly what point did Chris Roberts know that no game will ever be delivered and the whole thing is a giant ongoing fraud? Is it... It's (a). Might not be the popular choice but I think the whole thing was a grift from the get-go and any real product being produced was just gravy. Even if he hoped to make something out of the funding, I think the entire thing was at best a bait-and-switch right from the get go. I've been checking in on SC every year or two since the kickstarter back in 2012 or whatever. I was very interested, but had no free time at all back then, and figured I could always pick it up when it released (lol). I really loved Freelancer even though it was pretty shallow and was interested in this. Then IIRC right after the kickstarter closed they started selling the spaceship jpegs. They advertised in particular some huge corvette and stressed how limited the sales were going to be, which seemed to me to be a massive red flag. They really implied you had to spend a thousand smackers if you ever wanted a chance to own the spaceship in the game ever, which is just absolutely nuts. I got cold feet on the project even assuming they would produce a real game. They hadn't even shown any work outside of concept art and they were shilling for millions more using an obvious high-pressure sales tactic, immediately after concluding an earlier campaign for tons of money. I doubt that ship is in the game even now. The thing that made me check out completely of expecting anything was still IIRC a few months after that, they had some article to address the "will there be permadeath or not" issue, and that matters to me because I don't have the time for that poo poo. It was some long-winded nonsense that didn't answer any question about how the game's death penalties would work, just a lot of "we want to make it feel good" and "wouldnt it be cool if," and that kind of language is all they'd ever promised since the kickstarter. The entire thing was just a series of deliberately vague promises and insinuations, funded by leaping from one obvious cash grab to the next continuously since the moment the kickstarter ended. I knew the whole thing was a big pile of horseshit when they definitively could not answer a "yes or no" question like "Will there be permadeath?" I don't remember the exact timeline of all this, but one other massive issue was that most people backed the project as "Star Citizen, the spaceship MMO" and then Roberts obviously devoted most of the effort and funding to his single-player cinematic flight sim he wanted to do. I checked in at one point a few years into development as it were, and it was just dudes in ping pong ball suits sticking giant shafts into pedestals and Gary Oldman, which was an absolutely shocking misuse of money considering what the game was originally pitched as when I previously checked in on it. It's definitively a scam. I think the signs were always there that it was a scam and that is one of the reasons I hesitated to fund it even though the pitch is basically laser-targeted at my interests. It's always been questionable from the start. Hell, I think it qualifies more as a cult than anything else at this point. Years from now people will point their fingers and wonder how so many credulous idiots could be taken for so much for so long, because of the utterly incredible nature of the whole project the entire time.
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