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Putin set up so much obfuscation he himself doesnt know wtf is going on. Imo his own "elite" who were all for "rattle the nerves of smug western assholes a bit but no to actual war" are getting nervous themselves. Another semi important ex military dude spoke out against the war. I imagine acting military are not super happy either. After ukro nazis and their NATO masters they will be next to be blamed for everything.
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Will this all be started in time for me to see it on Morning Joe tomorrow?
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# ? Feb 13, 2022 23:00 |
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Also forcing Germany (and by extension the EU) who was more than happy to let Russia do whatever it wanted so long as it kept the gas flowing to switch to being hostile to Putin and saying radical things like Russia should face consequences for breaking international law. Putin hosed up and threw away something much more valuable than Ukraine but that bridge is burned at this point so he may as well finished the deed. Feeling a huge disconnected with reality from the Russian government. The ambassador to Sweden just said in an interview that Russia doesn't give a poo poo about sanctions. If Europe really starts to diversify its gas imports away from Russia, the Russian state wouldn't be able to survive that in its current form. They would have to cut their social budget to the bone and risk massive social unrest. And I feel like taking in millions of Ukrainian war refugees is exactly what could get Europe to finally reexamine its fossil fuel imports from Russia.
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# ? Feb 13, 2022 23:02 |
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DrSunshine posted:*nods sagely* The river Dnieper in winter!
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# ? Feb 13, 2022 23:05 |
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https://twitter.com/arstechnica/status/1492685217806618628?s=20&t=TfIsuJgiyYqh4MJNAJyDpw China..!
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Hanno posted:https://twitter.com/arstechnica/status/1492685217806618628?s=20&t=TfIsuJgiyYqh4MJNAJyDpw ? ??? Wrong thread?????? Better not show this to Liz Truss
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# ? Feb 13, 2022 23:33 |
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Sekenr posted:Putin set up so much obfuscation he himself doesnt know wtf is going on. Imo his own "elite" who were all for "rattle the nerves of smug western assholes a bit but no to actual war" are getting nervous themselves. Another semi important ex military dude spoke out against the war. I imagine acting military are not super happy either. After ukro nazis and their NATO masters they will be next to be blamed for everything. Not really? The only ones obfuscated are the media and this thread because you all fell for obvious bullshit. No need to pretend there was a masterplan that got out of control so how could you not be beguiled. People tried to tell you there would be no war and you wouldn't listen.
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# ? Feb 13, 2022 23:40 |
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drat, the latest season of Deadliest Catch sure took a weird turn.
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# ? Feb 13, 2022 23:41 |
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Regarde Aduck posted:Not really? What on Earth are you talking about?
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# ? Feb 13, 2022 23:45 |
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Regarde Aduck posted:Not really? It must be nice living in the parallel universe where Russia never invaded Crimea and Donbas.
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Sadly, I cannot add an image to the thread title.
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# ? Feb 14, 2022 00:11 |
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Much better than my Tolkein attempt.
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# ? Feb 14, 2022 00:14 |
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Regarde Aduck posted:Not really? imo we need to wait a couple weeks before we can safely begin the See? No Invasion triumphalism. Surely it will taste all the sweeter with age
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# ? Feb 14, 2022 00:18 |
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Regarde Aduck posted:Not really? Even if you believe no war is going to happened, lol at the absolute swollen headed obtuseness in using the past tense here.
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# ? Feb 14, 2022 00:20 |
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Some mongolians got very drunk and very lost
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# ? Feb 14, 2022 00:27 |
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Aha! My completely arbitrary deadline I've never mentioned has passed! What say you now thread???
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# ? Feb 14, 2022 00:28 |
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Grape posted:Aha! My completely arbitrary deadline I've never mentioned has passed! What say you now thread??? I'm extremely owned over here. My shitlib brain is literally broken and I'm ready to receive the eternal truth of Anime-Maoism now. Death to America
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# ? Feb 14, 2022 00:37 |
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Ulan-bator is the best part.
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# ? Feb 14, 2022 00:48 |
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OddObserver posted:Ulan-bator is the best part. So THAT's why Palin can see Russia from her back yard, she's accidentally in Ukraine.
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# ? Feb 14, 2022 01:01 |
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if Putin did not invade, wouldn’t the lesson for Europe and the US be “military aid and the threat of overwhelming sanctions work in deterring Russian aggression”? the sense would be that russia “blinked” not that there was never any threat or that Putin was weaving some masterful deception (that ultimately got him nothing)
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sort of, but also there are ways for russia to back down and more or less save face if that's what they want to do
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QuoProQuid posted:if Putin did not invade, wouldn’t the lesson for Europe and the US be “military aid and the threat of overwhelming sanctions work in deterring Russian aggression”?
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Herstory Begins Now posted:sort of, but also there are ways for russia to back down and more or less save face if that's what they want to do Ways for Putin to save face. I don't think there's any reversing the catastrophic damage this has done to Russia on the whole 'is this country a serious threat or not?' conversation in Europe. Aside from the pretty awesome cost of setting up this invasion that's already been incurred, there's the economic/investment costs that Russia has been incurring since September that will probably linger as latent damage. Sanctions that do exist won't get lifted anytime soon.
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Cugel the Clever posted:Putin apologists would be going wild trying to push the "hysterical Western imperialists!!!!" narrative, though. They're already doing that, tho.
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# ? Feb 14, 2022 01:18 |
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Regarde Aduck posted:People tried to tell you there would be no war and you wouldn't listen. What a weird take, but I'm new here so maybe I should look at your post history on this thread to understand your points better: Regarde Aduck posted:Russia has long range conventional missiles of its own. And more of them.
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# ? Feb 14, 2022 01:24 |
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You'll just confuse most Americans with this map. e: why is Ulan Bator there?
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:You'll just confuse most Americans with this map. American education lol pippy posted:What a weird take, but I'm new here so maybe I should look at your post history on this thread to understand your points better: Let’s not.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:You'll just confuse most Americans with this map. Well, Russia is big on imaginary wars with Mongolia. I am wondering what they were going with Novosyoyrsk, though.
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# ? Feb 14, 2022 01:46 |
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https://twitter.com/melindaharing/status/1492218334783447041?t=92EEZ-O2YYQLIt2kjIRu_w&s=19 Sorry I've been offline more or less for a few days but did this Atlantic council lady's informative post turn out to be accurate??
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adebisi lives posted:https://twitter.com/melindaharing/status/1492218334783447041?t=92EEZ-O2YYQLIt2kjIRu_w&s=19 Not... yet.
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# ? Feb 14, 2022 04:17 |
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What you think these people would just go on the internet and lie?
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:You'll just confuse most Americans with this map. same reason novosyoyrsk and leninsk is no label on akmolinsk across the border in yukon tho :|
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adebisi lives posted:https://twitter.com/melindaharing/status/1492218334783447041?t=92EEZ-O2YYQLIt2kjIRu_w&s=19 Turns out she tells us in the comments that her source is: https://twitter.com/melindaharing/status/1492264828278300674 Luckily it's just the public White House briefing so we can see her logic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaZnp4GAIrc&t=190s I'm a few mins in and I'm pretty sure where this idea of the weekend came from, she misinterprets the request for US citizens to leave Ukraine within the next 24/48 hours because of the potential for Russian Invasion at any time. I see where the idea got misconstrued, but she's also not claiming special knowledge.
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# ? Feb 14, 2022 04:30 |
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Sadly, I cannot add an image to the thread title. Ice Road Tankies.
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Regarde Aduck posted:Not really? I told you the vaxine wasn't necessary, yet you got one anyway. Have you even gotten sick? No? Told you so This is you, OP.
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Grape posted:Aha! My completely arbitrary deadline I've never mentioned has passed! What say you now thread??? The joys of being a bad faith poster: If Russia doesn't invade, you can be smug and own the libs for being pigheaded capitalist lackeys who believed the plot to harm wee poor Russia who would never hurt anybody If Russia does invade, you can be smug and own the libs because THE Ukraine aka Fourth Reich Zelensky Banderite Regime totally deserves every bit of devastation Russia rains upon it in its righteous fury, and more.
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# ? Feb 14, 2022 09:43 |
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https://kyivindependent.com/national/center-for-defense-strategies-can-ukraine-really-be-invaded-scenarios-for-a-russian-attack-analysis/ Ukrainian take that full scale invasion is highly unlikely. Seems reasonable with strong arguments into the just a bluff by huilo camp quote:Center for Defense Strategies: Can Ukraine really be invaded? Scenarios for a Russian attack (analysis)
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# ? Feb 14, 2022 10:00 |
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Somaen posted:https://kyivindependent.com/national/center-for-defense-strategies-can-ukraine-really-be-invaded-scenarios-for-a-russian-attack-analysis/ Probably yes to the first, but what the gently caress are you smoking to the latter. War isn't a binary between ALL CAPS FULL INVASION and a bluff, there are more options you can do, like e.g. just grabbing more bits of Ukraine but stopping at Kyiv instead of full occupation. If it's still a bluff, it's a rather costly one. Edit: In other news, Ukrainian ambassadors asks for 12000 anti-tank missiles from Germany, receives awkward silence To be fair, their other demands are more sensible, like radio equipment and helmets. I'm not really sure the Bundeswehr even has 12k anti-tank missiles left in storage, though. They may get disappointed on that front.
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If Ukraine, the EU, and NATO were all coordinated (which I believe they are somewhat, but not enough) in their response to Russia it would make sense for those on the European continent to talk softly to their Russian counterparts as they always mention these 'Special Relationships'' they have with Russia and for the US on its end to carry the big stick. It makes no sense for Ukraine or the EU to poke the bear when they have the US backing them up (well, more so for the EU/NATO).
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