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explosivo posted:Has an MMO ever had a difficulty slider apart from the Hard/heroic dungeons (which this does have)? Yeah: picking Mesmer as your first class to level in 2012 Guild Wars 2  (which is to say no, not to my knowledge)
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explosivo posted:Has an MMO ever had a difficulty slider apart from the Hard/heroic dungeons (which this does have)? Yep, DDO/Lotro do. Surely there are other examples too.
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I want to play 3 classes: sorceress, wardancer, and sharpshooter (bow boi). I am not eager to do the 1-50 three times— how many battle pass boosts do I get if I leveled two of them to 50 and did all the story?
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explosivo posted:Here's the thing: some people like different things Yeah, MMO’s with a hard leveling experience will burn out more people than it will keep playing. The biggest sin of Lost Ark’s leveling experience is that there is too much pre-30 content. There are some interesting dungeons and fights in the 30s, you get the ship at 40 and start going to more interesting places. If half the pre-Lunterra content was removed, the game would flow better.
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jokes posted:I want to play 3 classes: sorceress, wardancer, and sharpshooter (bow boi). I am not eager to do the 1-50 three times— how many battle pass boosts do I get if I leveled two of them to 50 and did all the story? When you complete the Vern area (level 50) with your first character you get a boost. When you use the boost you get another one. So after finishing Vern you can easily have three level 50s. And then there's a few other ways of boosting but I don't know enough about them to say fully yet. One requires 600 gold I think. also a hard mode Lost Ark 1-50 would be loving miserable lol
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explosivo posted:Has an MMO ever had a difficulty slider apart from the Hard/heroic dungeons (which this does have)? Age of Conan tried something like this that was as big a clusterfuck as the rest of the game. You could make every zone normal or elite. But the elite versions were broken in many ways. Outside of some bosses with bugged loot tables, none of the elite versions were worth doing.
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Charles 1998 posted:I'm not sure how a game being harder and being more likely to die is a waste of your time. It would be simply part of the gameplay. As someone who now has a 40+ hour job, I feel this game being in easy mode for dozens of hours before throwing real challenge at you and getting to the good parts is a huge waste of time. I think part of it just comes down to what people think of when you say "this game but harder" and people just worried about it being a more tedious version of what they're already playing rather than something that might be more engaging.
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jokes posted:I want to play 3 classes: sorceress, wardancer, and sharpshooter (bow boi). I am not eager to do the 1-50 three times— how many battle pass boosts do I get if I leveled two of them to 50 and did all the story? You have to hand raise a character to cap and do the story to get 2 passes. So technically just from taking one through the grind you'll be able to play all 3 at cap. You can also use memory transfer to get another character to cap so you can have 4 characters at cap for the price of 1. BUT the power passes aren't really recommended by people that actually have played the game extensively for people starting out. You miss out on a lot of mats and unless you have a plan on how to get them fully online for alt grinding then you could be left with a suboptimal experience.
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explosivo posted:Has an MMO ever had a difficulty slider apart from the Hard/heroic dungeons (which this does have)? Auto Assault allowed parties to enter the open area zones on a harder difficulty. Lawlicaust posted:Yeah, MMO’s with a hard leveling experience will burn out more people than it will keep playing. This wouldn't be an issue if the game wasn't completely railroaded. In WoW you could just kill lower level creatures or replay the same dungeons to level, which was kind of a like a difficulty selection. In this game, you cannot go off the beaten path and the only way to level is through questing. And I assume if you don't complete the storyline you are locked out of most of the game, so you are forced to play it anyway. Feels really strange that an MMORPG is more linear than most singleplayer RPGs.
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jokes posted:I just plain love the combat so if endgame is in any way primarily combat-oriented I’m into it There's still a lot of questing in the form of island hopping but it feels better than normal questing imo since you can auto path your ship to where you need to go. You do get access to and will spend a lot of time spamming combat oriented stuff in the main cities though.
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Anyone looking for drops, looks like this twitch drop miner is working now, however you do need to download source as executable isn't updated yet. https://github.com/DevilXD/TwitchDropsMiner
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I think game developers could stand to be a little more creative with difficulty modes than they are now. In the vast, vast majority of games, the difficulty slider doesn't do much more than number tweaks: you take more damage, enemies take less, there are fewer healing kits, less ammo, enemies are more accurate, all the usual poo poo we've seen for decades. I think there could be a good amount of mileage having the difficulty curve work in reverse, where the full game experience is considered the top difficulty, and players are intended to move up through them organically. I'll use Lost Ark as an example even though I don't really understand the game. Max "difficulty" is what it is now. You can pick dungeon and raid difficulty, all systems are in place, etc. One level down is the same game but say the very top end of the game is inaccessible, item levels are capped a bit lower, some kind of system is inaccessible, like engravings or whatnot. Then you just stair step down and make maybe 3 or 4 "difficulty" tiers which in the end aren't actually how hard the game is to play moment to moment, but how much work goes into learning it. So at lowest difficulty level say the game lets you get to level 30 and a certain item level, and very few of the systems are shown to the player. A casual player can absolutely get to that level, and feel like they've mastered what the game has to offer. Once you're in that comfort groove, you can opt to bump the level up a notch. OK, here are these new *insert system here* you need to start paying attention to, now you can go to level 50, and the player feels like they have the mental real estate to take on more aspects of the game since they've mastered everything up to then. The way it is now, and countless topics and videos are out on this topic, there are tons of systems with players being told "you don't have to worry about this until, try not to use this until, this will be important later" etc. and that's frankly overwhelming. Instead, use difficulty as a way to gradually introduce new players to the deep systems without overwhelming them. Veterans just keep the slider all the way up and the whole game is right there for them.
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I've been playing this off and on over the weekend - got to level 28 and the end of what I'm assuming is the first story arc. I dunno really, cause I've been skipping most of the dialogue aside from when the required dungeon cutscenes sit at 3/4 skipped cause one dude really wants to watch the dude we just beat down to 0 HP knock us all down so that an NPC can finish the job in a cutscene. Can say it's okay overall, so far. I've been playing with a controller which feels nice except the auto targeting on some skills spins me around and targets something I don't want to hit, which only really matters for AoE skills and I don't think I'm gonna get sweaty enough in the game to care about how efficient my trash clearing is. It feels mostly meat and potatoes, I guess. Nothing offensively bad but I feel like if I wasn't using a build guide for leveling I'd be sort of meandering. My only major complaint is for how hyped up this game is the translation seems just as sloppy as any bottom of the barrel f2p MMO I'd pick up when I was in high school. Text overflowing out of the gathering timer, subtitles not matching up with the spoken dialogue, just an overall lack of polish it feels like. Not like it's a big problem, but it just feels weirdly amateurish for a game that's got such a big marketing force behind it.
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I did a character re-customization, buying the ticket to do so from inside char creation after using the button they have for it on char select. It didn't take. I googled it and saw other people had the same issue and customer service was having people verify their installation files and print their dxdiag... when those didn't work they told them to email customer support. I tried doing it again and it still had my ticket unused, and it worked the second time. Just a heads up in case anyone else rushed through char creation and wants to change it now.
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has anyone who purchased a founders pack (or multiple) received the bonus items that were announced? quote:"Players have let us know one of the reasons they are reluctant to switch to lower population servers is because many of them have already redeemed their Founder’s Packs on another server. To help combat this and make exploring new servers a more reasonable choice, we will be granting ALL Founder’s Pack purchasers that redeem their pack by 12 PM PT (8 PM UTC) on Monday, February 14th an extra set of the exclusive items from the Founder’s Pack they redeemed (e.g., the Founder’s Exclusive Pet and Founder’s Title from the Bronze pack; see full list below) as well as some additional Royal Crystals for Silver, Gold, and Platinum Pack purchasers."
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Pragmatica posted:has anyone who purchased a founders pack (or multiple) received the bonus items that were announced? Nope!
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bagrada posted:I did a character re-customization, buying the ticket to do so from inside char creation after using the button they have for it on char select. It didn't take. I googled it and saw other people had the same issue and customer service was having people verify their installation files and print their dxdiag... when those didn't work they told them to email customer support. Bummer, how much was it? $ or in game currency? Pragmatica posted:has anyone who purchased a founders pack (or multiple) received the bonus items that were announced? Oh lmao you have to redeem it in the next 3.5 hours to get the extra??
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Harry Potter on Ice posted:Bummer, how much was it? $ or in game currency? 600 royal crystals (I think that's the non-blue ones). So around $6 USD. To be clear when it didn't work the first time I went back in and still had the ticket I bought so I didn't spend any extra. The first time you go in it says you have 0/1 customization tickets and will have the option to pay for it inside. The second time it said I had 1/1. You can go in, mess around, then back out without paying as well. You can also go in on your current character, save their customization to one of the slots for that, then back out, then you can load the customization on a new character elsewhere. bagrada fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Feb 14, 2022 |
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Vitamean posted:I've been playing this off and on over the weekend - got to level 28 and the end of what I'm assuming is the first story arc. I dunno really, cause I've been skipping most of the dialogue aside from when the required dungeon cutscenes sit at 3/4 skipped cause one dude really wants to watch the dude we just beat down to 0 HP knock us all down so that an NPC can finish the job in a cutscene. There is an option to turn off the auto target so that you always cast/shoot where you are aiming.
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I guess their hands are really tied when it comes to doing obvious things like just letting people redeem a founders pack on the new server? It doesn't seem like someone having a founders pack across two completely separate regions is a big concern, it's not as if they were going to buy two in the first place.
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you people like the combat I like checking boxes on the adventurer's tome and getting that sweet, sweet dopamine from it
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Dragongem posted:you people like the combat I press N, I feel good.
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Cao Ni Ma posted:BUT the power passes aren't really recommended by people that actually have played the game extensively for people starting out. You miss out on a lot of mats and unless you have a plan on how to get them fully online for alt grinding then you could be left with a suboptimal experience. Unless grinding out those mats takes more than 20 hours, I'm gonna use the pass. Leveling has its moments but I definitely wouldn't want to go through the story twice. I don't think my g key could take it.
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What do you do at endgame? I assume it’s almost entirely dungeons and raids and a handful of dailies/weeklies? Do dungeons and raids scale at all, a la Diablo rifts?
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Unhappy Meal posted:The Twitch drop paper mask has increased my enjoyment of the game ten fold. SERIOUS CUTSCENE  Me in my silly dog hat. 10/10 game.
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jokes posted:What do you do at endgame? I assume it’s almost entirely dungeons and raids and a handful of dailies/weeklies? Depends where you break off ‘endgame’ but the actual most efficient answer is doing a bunch of island quests through t1 Plus all your daily stuff of course
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DurosKlav posted:SERIOUS CUTSCENE Oh is that the fight where the arena starts tilting and trying to toss you into the grinders? That’s a good one
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I think I'm gonna hold one pass just for a new class a month down the line or whatever they plan to do but it's not a huge deal either way
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DurosKlav posted:SERIOUS CUTSCENE  wowza
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That cutscene and then the one after the dungeon with the elf queen talking to you on the balcony both made me crack up since I’m wearing the same hat. Totally serious dialogue and then it cuts to the brave hero wearing the doofiest paper hat and it’s hilarious.Good Citizen posted:Oh is that the fight where the arena starts tilting and trying to toss you into the grinders? That’s a good one
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Harrow posted:When Guild Wars 2 was in early development, ArenaNet considered not having "leveling" at all--just no concept of "level" in the game whatsoever. Looking at GW2 as it is now, it's easy to see how that could've worked. You'd explore the world to get skill points to unlock your skills and traits, but you wouldn't have to worry about filling your EXP bar to hit arbitrary milestones that make your numbers go up. And given how GW2 now throws full level-up books and level boosts at you these days, honestly I think they should've stuck with that idea. I disagree, probably for the same reason that Anet went with having levels in the first place: people understand experience and levels intuitively. Having levels in your game makes it very obvious what the initial route of progression is, and wow has trained everyone that quests = experience. Taking that initial line away makes it harder to onboard people to the other stuff without making the game inherently less tedious because now you're just doing the main quest line to get skill point potions instead, which isn't as easy to convey. I do think it's a good argument for not having to make your levels go all the way to 50-60+, and that having slower leveling with a cap at like 20-30 accomplishes the same thing, but levels are also fairly arbitrary so that's not a huge deal. This game actually is about exploring a huge and detailed world, that's why mokoko seeds, rapport, and islands exist. If you wanna just rush to the end, monster hunter has better fights than the guardian raids (so far), chaos dungeons are just a classic ARPG thing that other games can also do, and you can get a better dating sim on steam for 5 bucks. Those things don't exist in a vacuum because the devs just want to waste your time. They didn't spend a shitload of time making the sailing mechanic because it pads out your hours played and increases MAUs or whatever. They did it because they want you to go sail around and explore stuff, and even if you're following a guide you're going to be spending a lot of time in it later. That's why Una's tasks are structured the way they are. It'd be a supreme waste to pretend the rest of the game doesn't exist because abrelshud is really hard and you wanna fight her and do nothing else. She's there to be a capstone (for now) on all of the other poo poo in the game, not to be the entire game.
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I put some of my founders pack crystals on the auction house to try and get some gold but so far no one is going for it. I assume lots of people have crystals but nobody has a ton of gold yet. On the other hand, I realized that chaos shards are listable and I’ve been selling them for 1g a piece. Idk if I should feel bad about that but 
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Dragongem posted:you people like the combat I get the good brain chemicals from upgrading my gear personally.
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:I disagree, probably for the same reason that Anet went with having levels in the first place: people understand experience and levels intuitively. Having levels in your game makes it very obvious what the initial route of progression is, and wow has trained everyone that quests = experience. Taking that initial line away makes it harder to onboard people to the other stuff without making the game inherently less tedious because now you're just doing the main quest line to get skill point potions instead, which isn't as easy to convey. I do think it's a good argument for not having to make your levels go all the way to 50-60+, and that having slower leveling with a cap at like 20-30 accomplishes the same thing, but levels are also fairly arbitrary so that's not a huge deal. Yeah, that's fair. To be clear I wasn't arguing for removing everything that makes this an MMO and not just an ARPG--for example, sailing around in a ship to islands is pretty cool and an interesting feature that the game has--but more not really seeing the purpose of the linear story leveling experience that's honestly kind of a drag. But maybe it's necessary to provide a smooth introduction to the other MMORPG features and there isn't really a better way to do that? I dunno, I'm not a game designer. I suppose this is why game designers say that the useful player feedback is "I like this thing/don't like this thing because it makes me feel <X>" rather than trying to get into the actual design behind it.
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The leveling experience just needs to be more interesting. I can't imagine anyone going through it and being like "this is good." It needs a lot more of those set pieces and less running around talking to people. [edit: also some content to do with your friends while leveling would be nice. I don't know if any of you are trying to level co-op, but it's super painful.]
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I've been playing a bit over the weekend and made it to level ... 25 or so, just got in a forest area where I fought the third world boss. I'm going in as the gunlancer and it feels ... a bit slow? I have some good burst damage, but my none-burst skills seem to hit pretty low and I find myself waiting for cooldowns every now and then. When I get to use the big skills it feels good, though. Maybe the pace will pick up when I get the rest of my skills? (slow also applies to how I'm constantly running behind everyone else) The fetch quests are terrible and uninspired. In some cases the NPC asks me to talk to another NPC who stands 2 meters to his side, or carry one rock from a circle to another. Why is this still a thing in modern MMO's? I wish there would be more mid-level armor options too. I've mostly been wearing the same thing with different colors. Are all the cool flashy armors endgame only?
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