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Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

i say swears online posted:

station chief thinks the new imacs look sweet as hell

it’s so transparent

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OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

sigh

China's state media is available in English.



https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202202/1252149.shtml

quote:

Chinese analysts said Sunday that keeping the crisis intense will benefit the US in several fields: legitimizing its military presence in Europe by demonizing Russia and poisoning Russia-EU ties, increasing uncertainties and concerns to harm the eurozone economy so there will be more capital flight from the continent to the US and thus easing the US inflation pressure, and using the tension to stir up trouble for China-Russia ties. 

Therefore, the US is using all means to maintain the heightened tension, including spreading disinformation and strengthening military deployments to provoke Russia - in other words, the US is sacrificing Ukraine's security to serve its own strategy to compete with Russia, experts said.

But no people base their geopolitical analysis on Tom Clancy's 2000 technothriller The Dragon and the Bear.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Just remember that everything a liberal says has just enough truth to it to conceal a much larger lie.

Usually they do not even know the lie exists at all.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Atrocious Joe posted:

Christopher Miller is a REF/RL alum, so a guy who got his start at a US propaganda outlet is trashing US media for hyping up a war.

https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1493320122676785152

https://twitter.com/NikaMelkozerova/status/1493335083486429186

Lostconfused has issued a correction as of 22:50 on Feb 14, 2022

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

so did zelensky actually commit to pushing for ukraine in nato as reported by the afp or not lmao

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

i say swears online posted:

yeah when they liberated auchwitz they denied it from happening more

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth
Trade Unionists and Socialists/Communists were the first groups the nazis rounded up and put in concentration camps. It's absurd to claim the treatment of the Jewish peoples of nazi occupied territories was uniquely harsh.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

thatfatkid posted:

Trade Unionists and Socialists/Communists were the first groups the nazis rounded up and put in concentration camps. It's absurd to claim the treatment of the Jewish peoples of nazi occupied territories was uniquely harsh.

The one unique part was that, unlike most others that the Nazis killed, some Jews occupied elevated positions in society. This was part of the narrative, that there was a secret cabal within German society driving it to ruin which is a key component to anti-Semitism: Jews act as a scape goat to explain why capitalism keeps crashing.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

indigi posted:

that’s not that scary then. they should of published it

it was published by yad vashem after ehrenburg's daughter smuggled the manuscript out and then republished by a kiev printhouse in '91. stalin's antisemitism and i assume after his death, the alignment of israel with the west were the roadblocks in the ussr

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

thatfatkid posted:

Trade Unionists and Socialists/Communists were the first groups the nazis rounded up and put in concentration camps. It's absurd to claim the treatment of the Jewish peoples of nazi occupied territories was uniquely harsh.

ah, um... hmmmm

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

comedyblissoption posted:

so did zelensky actually commit to pushing for ukraine in nato as reported by the afp or not lmao
https://www.unian.info/politics/10437570-ukraine-s-parliament-backs-changes-to-constitution-confirming-ukraine-s-path-toward-eu-nato.html
The Ukrainian Rada under Petro Poroshenko amended the Constitution a few months before Zelenskyy became president to make it law that Ukraine must join the EU and NATO.


So him saying they won't could be grounds for removal per this:


quote:

Article 102 is supplemented with the provision that "the president of Ukraine is the guarantor of the implementation of the state's strategic course for obtaining Ukraine's full membership in the European Union and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization."

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

i say swears online posted:

yeah when they liberated auchwitz they denied it from happening more

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
Our faces will be red when war happens!

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Im guessing right now zelensky would probably have preferred not going along with WAR WAR WAR from the US but now its too late. Make concessions and flee the country or get assassinated , or stick around till the false flag happens and he gets a bomb over his head.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Regarde Aduck posted:

ah, um... hmmmm

The Roma and the gays and the Russians and the socialist and the unionists all went to the same camps as the Jews.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

comedyblissoption posted:

so did zelensky actually commit to pushing for ukraine in nato as reported by the afp or not lmao

I didn't hear him mention NATO in his speech, it was just mostly rah rah Ukraine stronk nation.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Cpt_Obvious posted:

The one unique part was that, unlike most others that the Nazis killed, some Jews occupied elevated positions in society. This was part of the narrative, that there was a secret cabal within German society driving it to ruin which is a key component to anti-Semitism: Jews act as a scape goat to explain why capitalism keeps crashing.

Social Democrats and Communists didn't hold positions of power i.e. elected positions in German society? Come on dude...

slave to my cravings
Mar 1, 2007

Got my mind on doritos and doritos on my mind.

OhFunny posted:

https://www.unian.info/politics/10437570-ukraine-s-parliament-backs-changes-to-constitution-confirming-ukraine-s-path-toward-eu-nato.html
The Ukrainian Rada under Petro Poroshenko amended the Constitution a few months before Zelenskyy became president to make it law that Ukraine must join the EU and NATO.


So him saying they won't could be grounds for removal per this:

lol

redneck nazgul
Apr 25, 2013

OhFunny posted:

The Ukrainian Rada under Petro Poroshenko amended the Constitution a few months before Zelenskyy became president to make it law that Ukraine must join the EU and NATO.

that's a pretty good poison pill there

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

thatfatkid posted:

Trade Unionists and Socialists/Communists were the first groups the nazis rounded up and put in concentration camps. It's absurd to claim the treatment of the Jewish peoples of nazi occupied territories was uniquely harsh.

Cpt_Obvious posted:

The Roma and the gays and the Russians and the socialist and the unionists all went to the same camps as the Jews.


jews were nearly exclusively the victims of the extermination camps such as treblinka and sobibor

Minenfeld!
Aug 21, 2012



Nazis also felt that Jews were controlling socialists and communists and basically everything they didn't like. The rhetoric doesn't leave much to the imagination.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

indigi posted:

did the ussr really deny the holocaust

No they literally ended it lmao. I just got done watching a whole rear end Soviet film about the rise of Hitler and the Holocaust with smuggled footage from the camps and everything.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Raskolnikov38 posted:

it was published by yad vashem after ehrenburg's daughter smuggled the manuscript out and then republished by a kiev printhouse in '91. stalin's antisemitism and i assume after his death, the alignment of israel with the west were the roadblocks in the ussr

"Are you loving kidding me? I built you a Zion right over here! Right here! And you'd rather live in the loving desert!?"

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Cpt_Obvious posted:

The Roma and the gays and the Russians and the socialist and the unionists all went to the same camps as the Jews.

I don’t think they did


efb

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

thatfatkid posted:

Social Democrats and Communists didn't hold positions of power i.e. elected positions in German society? Come on dude...

That's fair.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
the nazis killed lots and lots of people but the final solution and the 'pure' extermination camps were specifically leveled at jews

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Raskolnikov38 posted:

jews were nearly exclusively the victims of the extermination camps such as treblinka and sobibor

Eh there was a Roma section at Auschwitz.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Cpt_Obvious posted:

"Are you loving kidding me? I built you a Zion right over here! Right here! And you'd rather live in the loving desert!?"

hey zion national park is kind of a desert

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Sorry, this whole loving topic hits too close to home. Gets me all riled up to hear the west is arming Nazis AGAIN.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

OhFunny posted:

The Ukrainian Rada under Petro Poroshenko amended the Constitution a few months before Zelenskyy became president to make it law that Ukraine must join the EU and NATO.

What the gently caress? How can a constitution bind a nation to foreign policy objectives that might lead to its own destruction?

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Ardennes posted:

Eh there was a Roma section at Auschwitz.

auschwitz and majdanek are the weird ones since they were both concentration and extermination

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Raskolnikov38 posted:

jews were nearly exclusively the victims of the extermination camps such as treblinka and sobibor

and there were sections of multiple death camps for Roma. As a Jewish person with Romani heritage I sure love having different chunks of my family played against each other for political gain when the topic is 'that time massive amounts of you got wiped out'! Sure is a cool and not loving terrible conversation!

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Raskolnikov38 posted:

auschwitz and majdanek are the weird ones since they were both concentration and extermination

oh, right, they were in the good part of Auschwitz

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

i say swears online posted:

hey zion national park is kind of a desert

beautiful place btw, I recommend visiting it if you can. Pictures really don't do it justice

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 24 days!)

Cpt_Obvious posted:

The one unique part was that, unlike most others that the Nazis killed, some Jews occupied elevated positions in society. This was part of the narrative, that there was a secret cabal within German society driving it to ruin which is a key component to anti-Semitism: Jews act as a scape goat to explain why capitalism keeps crashing.

It wasn't just German society. The elevated position of Jews in Soviet territory was the main driver of antisemitic violence there. When the Soviets moved in and occupied the Baltic states, local Jewish communists were raised into positions of power in the puppet governments - and Baltic antisemites took that as their cue to do their own little final solution, which the Germans chaperoned.

The Nazis thought that communists were all mind thralls of "The Jew" and puppets of the worldwide Judeo-Bolshevik conspiracy. To them killing a communist was the same thing as killing a Jewish person. Everybody targeted by Nazi genocide was reframed by them through an antisemitic lens.

So it's more proper to interpret "The Holocaust" as being both a uniquely antisemitic atrocity and universal at the same time.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Raskolnikov38 posted:

jews were nearly exclusively the victims of the extermination camps such as treblinka and sobibor

Okay, and?

It only makes sense that the Soviets emphasize that the Soviet Jews killed were part of the same struggle as the millions of other Soviet citizens killed. Soviet soldiers were nearly exclusively the victims of the just-as-appalling POW camps in 1941-2, one does not negate the other and emphasizing the unity I think went a long way to remove the Jew as the “other” in Soviet society. Jews suffering as Soviet citizens makes their survival a part of the Great Patriotic War.

Including the other victims of Nazi mass murder is the opposite of denial, it places the Holocaust in context, and Jews alongside Gentiles as victims.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

So it's more proper to interpret "The Holocaust" as being both a uniquely antisemitic atrocity and universal at the same time.

good post and helps with my original question ty

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Making the joining of NATO enshrined in a Constitutional article is extremely funny

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Sorry, this whole loving topic hits too close to home. Gets me all riled up to hear the west is arming Nazis AGAIN.

Have you read Killing Hope? Post WW2 the west never stopped arming Nazis/fascists if there was even the slightest chance of them killing communists.

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sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

gradenko_2000 posted:

Making the joining of NATO enshrined in a Constitutional article is extremely funny

it was a really good prank

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