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Jaxyon posted:"college flings" is bisexual erasure. These people live extraordinarily long lives and those two have been emotionally close and working on the same mission for decades. You implied that making them lovers was a change from the books, and the only thing that changed was it explicitly being current. For all we know the only reason it's not active in the books is a because they're having to play it as them not being friends for political purposes and there's no travelling/sex ter'angreal to allow them to be together with nobody noticing. Speaking of Traveling sex ter'angreal, in the show, when Moiraine goes through the portal portrait to meet Siuan, they're clearly in some fishing hut...somewhere that's definitely not the White Tower. So that makes me wonder, do Moiraine and Siuan have a pair of curio cabinets that open a gateway to some random fishing hut somewhere for...reasons? Or do they each have the means to make gateways to anywhere if they can somehow program them? Or (my theory), are they gating themselves into tel'aran'rhiod to meet each other for some...wet dreams?
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Killer robot posted:So what you're saying is they use it exactly how everyone else does. Frequent, heavy handed, and with plenty of "why did you have to be such a child as to drive me to this?" i guess i just don't find it that gross or weird, it's very tame. and doesn't actually happen that often given how long the series is. there's a payoff of sorts when it is used to break a forsaken even anyway im sorry to even have participated in spankchat. i deserve...punishment
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St0rmD posted:Speaking of Traveling sex ter'angreal, in the show, when Moiraine goes through the portal portrait to meet Siuan, they're clearly in some fishing hut...somewhere that's definitely not the White Tower. So that makes me wonder, do Moiraine and Siuan have a pair of curio cabinets that open a gateway to some random fishing hut somewhere for...reasons? Or do they each have the means to make gateways to anywhere if they can somehow program them? Or (my theory), are they gating themselves into tel'aran'rhiod to meet each other for some...wet dreams? My understanding is that it's definitely Tear, not t'a'r, and it's probably a ter'angreal that happens to work that way.
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Brolander posted:i guess i just don't find it that gross or weird, it's very tame? and there's a payoff of sorts when it is used to break a forsaken Yeah I've never once seen the corporal punishment in the books as prurient at all.
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Honestly that just kind of makes it weirder, to me.
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silvergoose posted:My understanding is that it's definitely Tear, not t'a'r, and it's probably a ter'angreal that happens to work that way. Ok, but why does a ter'angreal that just happens to open up into a peasant's house in Tear even exist? If it was made pre-breaking, presumably Tear itself, and most certainly that specific house didn't exist, so why would there be a gateway to there? And if it was made in more recent memory, how, if nobody knows how to make ter'angreal, or how to Travel? Or if the White Tower possesses a ter'angreal that can be programed for any destination anywhere, why is that being used by a couple of Aes Sedai pillow friends for sex hookups rather than being, you know, carefully controlled by the Hall as a key strategic asset? I mean, sure, it's the Amyrlin, but something that powerful would surely be more widely known and not just available for Moiraine to have installed in her bedroom, right? St0rmD fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Feb 15, 2022 |
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Hexel posted:Did any of the Wheel of Time companion books ever estimate the populations of Seanchan or Shara? How can the Corenne afford to send all these tradesfolk to Ebou Dar and Tanchico without their economy collapsing? Or maybe their land weathered the breaking better than Randland and their society is more advanced and flourishing? Shara and Seanchan are both authoritarian societies that impose peace through force, so they've likely lost a lot fewer people than the constantly warring westlands. The Seanchan consolidation ended 200 years prior to the events of the books and presumably has been peaceful since (ignoring Semirhage murking the royal family). As for Shara, at one point an Aiel hears that there's war there and is very surprised, because there never is. Also, does Seanchan have their version of the Blight? Not having constant invasions of Trollocs probably helps keep numbers up.
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St0rmD posted:Ok, but why does a ter'angreal that just happens to open up into a peasant's house in Tear even exist? If it was made pre-breaking, presumably Tear itself, and most certainly that specific house didn't exist, so why would there be a gateway to there? And if it was made in more recent memory, how, if nobody knows how to make ter'angreal, or how to Travel? Or if the White Tower possesses a ter'angreal that can be programed for any destination anywhere, why is that being used by a couple of Aes Sedai pillow friends for sex hookups rather than being, you know, carefully controlled by the Hall as a key strategic asset? I mean, sure, it's the Amyrlin, but something that powerful would surely be more widely known and not just available for Moiraine to have installed in her bedroom, right? We dunno! It's very much not explained, and presumably will at some point.
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The way the Seanchan fleet is described makes it seem huge, but not insanely so. The colonists are probably in the thousands, not tens or hundreds of thousands, which is still a really, really big settlement wave. Most of the initial colonization of the Americas was with groups of around 100-200, and there were about 150,000 convicts transported to Australia in the century or so the system was set up. But even tens of thousands from an entire continent is not that extreme. Historically, most early modern nations had populations in the low millions even after the waves of plague and war.
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I thought I saw someone say their meeting place is a dreamshard or something, and maybe you can make it look however you want? i need to rewatch everything
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goethe.cx posted:
They do. There's some stuff in the books about how they cleared it out.
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silvergoose posted:Yeah I've never once seen the corporal punishment in the books as prurient at all. To clarify, I don't think they do either. I when I say that a number of societies "love corporal punishment" I mean in the run of the mill unhealthy hazing and abuse cycle mindset, where you can't make strong people without pain and humiliation flowing freely, and of course it's not cruel because everyone follows the same rules right?
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Gnoman posted:The way the Seanchan fleet is described makes it seem huge, but not insanely so. The colonists are probably in the thousands, not tens or hundreds of thousands, which is still a really, really big settlement wave. Most of the initial colonization of the Americas was with groups of around 100-200, and there were about 150,000 convicts transported to Australia in the century or so the system was set up. Obviously, RJ never gives specific numbers, but I think we can infer by how quickly the Seanchan empire collapsed into civil war that the whole adventure put their system under a lot of strain, such that the disruption at the top toppled the whole house of cards.
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jng2058 posted:Obviously, RJ never gives specific numbers, but I think we can infer by how quickly the Seanchan empire collapsed into civil war that the whole adventure put their system under a lot of strain, such that the disruption at the top toppled the whole house of cards. The Seanchan Empire was fundamentally structured around conquest. Hawkwing's kid went over there at the head of an army, and took hundreds of years to actually conquer the place, so for that entire time the whole political system was oriented around that goal. And then when they finally finished the conquest, all of the nobles and traders and whoever were used to a system where their money/political power came from conquering stuff. So they came up with the Correne as a new outlet for conquest because that kept their military-industrial complex rolling along with them at the top. Which I think implies that the civil war was always going to happen, after the main force of the invasion got smashed up by Rand at Falme and the conquest largely stalled out.
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silvergoose posted:My understanding is that it's definitely Tear, not t'a'r, and it's probably a ter'angreal that happens to work that way. Except Pike very hints that it's t'a'r, or at least somehow connected to the dream. She talks about "other worlds" in response to questions about that object.
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silvergoose posted:Yeah I've never once seen the corporal punishment in the books as prurient at all. Same. Read the first half of the books as a horny teen and it wasn’t a sexy thing.
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Ponsonby Britt posted:The Seanchan Empire was fundamentally structured around conquest. Hawkwing's kid went over there at the head of an army, and took hundreds of years to actually conquer the place, so for that entire time the whole political system was oriented around that goal. And then when they finally finished the conquest, all of the nobles and traders and whoever were used to a system where their money/political power came from conquering stuff. So they came up with the Correne as a new outlet for conquest because that kept their military-industrial complex rolling along with them at the top. Which I think implies that the civil war was always going to happen, after the main force of the invasion got smashed up by Rand at Falme and the conquest largely stalled out.
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Ponsonby Britt posted:The Seanchan Empire was fundamentally structured around conquest. Hawkwing's kid went over there at the head of an army, and took hundreds of years to actually conquer the place, so for that entire time the whole political system was oriented around that goal. And then when they finally finished the conquest, all of the nobles and traders and whoever were used to a system where their money/political power came from conquering stuff. So they came up with the Correne as a new outlet for conquest because that kept their military-industrial complex rolling along with them at the top. Which I think implies that the civil war was always going to happen, after the main force of the invasion got smashed up by Rand at Falme and the conquest largely stalled out. The books said the empires military kept in shape because there where constant uprisings and rebellions all the drat time.
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How are u posted:He'll ask the Dark One to join the polycule. Data Graham posted:The DO will be personified as a young girl like in The Last Temptation of Christ When the show was first being discussed this thread did posit that the series would work best as an anime... PoontifexMacksimus fucked around with this message at 11:53 on Feb 15, 2022 |
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CainFortea posted:Except Pike very hints that it's t'a'r, or at least somehow connected to the dream. She talks about "other worlds" in response to questions about that object. Huh, hadn't heard that. I thought Rafe had said it's definitely Tear. Shows what I know! Dreamshard or something would certainly make more sense to me.
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silvergoose posted:Huh, hadn't heard that. I thought Rafe had said it's definitely Tear. It was an Amazon X-Ray: "Moiraine utilized ter'angreal in her room to open a gateway to a hut in the the (sic) Fingers of the Dragon Delta, where she met with Siuan Sanche, the Amyrlin Seat". It one million percent makes more sense if it was tel'aran'rhiod, or one of those pocket realms inside tel'aran'rhiod like Ishy was always playing with, but official word is that it's the world's most insanely convenient double gateway.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:It was an Amazon X-Ray: "Moiraine utilized ter'angreal in her room to open a gateway to a hut in the the (sic) Fingers of the Dragon Delta, where she met with Siuan Sanche, the Amyrlin Seat". Yeah that must have been where I saw it.
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quote:Interviewer: I have to ask very quickly and i don’t know if you’ll be able to answer this question but, that private space the two of you met, that looked like the fisherman’s shack that Siuan grew up in. What was that? Where were you? From a podcast called Tar Valon or Bust apparently.
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CainFortea posted:From a podcast called Tar Valon or Bust apparently. Why is it an either/or? We know that there are plenty of nice busts in Tar Valon
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Looks like Priyanka is taking up the flame and the void in her downtime. From her IG today: Please enjoy my new favorite WoT meme: 
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Also: there was a new WoT book announced today https://twitter.com/tordotcom/status/1493590351461994498?s=21
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Hexel posted:Also: there was a new WoT book announced today Now I can finally learn that Rand is inspired by Jesus
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goethe.cx posted:Now I can finally learn that Rand is inspired by Jesus and Lucifer. Lord of the Morning and all that.
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rocketrobot posted:and Lucifer. Lord of the Morning and all that. Makes sense, since he's not exactly Christlike for much of the series
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Speaking of new books, I wonder if uh.. once Harriet passes and the book rights pass to another, will they allow future WoT novels to be written? I wouldn’t mind Mat and Tuon’s adventures in Seanchan. Even some AoL pre-pre-quel action. There’s so much ripe material there 
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Hexel posted:Also: there was a new WoT book announced today Nice!
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I just got to the part in my reread where Tuon offers to buy Mat from Tylin 
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Hey Rafe when Lan faces down Demandred please change his line to "I'm just one man", alluding to his Aiel title Tia
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Gnoman posted:The way the Seanchan fleet is described makes it seem huge, but not insanely so. The colonists are probably in the thousands, not tens or hundreds of thousands, which is still a really, really big settlement wave. Most of the initial colonization of the Americas was with groups of around 100-200, and there were about 150,000 convicts transported to Australia in the century or so the system was set up. I believe at some point or another they make it clear they have hundreds of thousands of troops in the Return. I think they lost a 100k army Arad Doman alone.
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What do y'all think Josha is filming? Sky battle over Falme? February should be their last month of filming which means they must be on episodes 7 & 8 
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Jaxyon posted:I believe at some point or another they make it clear they have hundreds of thousands of troops in the Return. Most of that 100k army was explicitly locally recruited troops. That's how the local Great Captain was able to do as much damage as he did - he disguised his forces as local Seanchan formations.
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Brolander posted:I wonder if they will shell out for the rights to wheel in the sky by journey for season two JUST THE TWO OF US having swordfights in the sky Just the two of us
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Gnoman posted:Most of that 100k army was explicitly locally recruited troops. That's how the local Great Captain was able to do as much damage as he did - he disguised his forces as local Seanchan formations. They did also have a 3-400k army of troops from Seandar, iirc they were just using those to prep for the attack on Illian after Rand blasted them all the way back to Ebou Dar in TPoD. That's why they sent the guy in the north after Ituralde using mostly local levies instead of veterans.
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