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FrozenVent: May 1, 2009; The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Seriously if he�d been of age they would probably have given him coke.

# ? Feb 14, 2022 16:55

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# ? May 25, 2024 09:13

Zero One: Dec 30, 2004; HAIL TO THE VICTORS!

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/13/us/american-air-emergency-landing.html

quote:

An American Airlines flight from Los Angeles to Washington, D.C., made a rapid emergency landing in Kansas City, Mo., on Sunday afternoon after an unruly passenger tried to break into the cockpit and then attempted to open an exit door, witnesses said.

The passenger was subdued by crew members and other passengers. He was taken into custody after the flight landed.

In a statement, American Airlines said the flight, American Airlines Flight 1775, landed safely in Kansas City, where law enforcement officials met the plane. Charles A. Dayoub, an F.B.I. special agent in charge in Kansas City, said in a statement that the passenger was taken into custody after �interfering with the flight crew.�

Stacy Day, a spokeswoman for the airline, said that the passenger was �ultimately subdued by our crew and with the help of other passengers.�

Carlos Rojas, 33, was among the passengers who intervened. He said he had been dozing off while sitting a row behind the first-class section when the lights in the plane were abruptly turned back on. He took his headphones off and noticed a struggle between flight attendants and a passenger in the front of the plane. A nearby passenger enlisted Mr. Rojas, an Air Force reservist, to assist the flight attendants.

The man at the center of the altercation, who appeared to be middle-aged, seemed distraught and paranoid, Mr. Rojas said. Earlier in the flight, he added, others saw the passenger pace the aisles.

�When I went up, it looked like the guy was trying to open the exterior door of the plane to the outside,� Mr. Rojas said. �So we were kind of keeping him from doing that and just trying to subdue him and make sure that he was taken down and everybody was OK.�

Mouaz Moustafa, a passenger from Washington, described a chaotic scene as the plane started descending into Kansas City without warning after the struggle with the passenger.

He said the man tried to get into the cockpit and then tried to exit via the main door before he was held down by several passengers.

�A flight attendant ran to the back of the plane and got the coffee pot and continues to bash the guy on the head,� Mr. Moustafa said in an interview as the plane was being held on the tarmac. The man was �bleeding profusely,� he added.

�I honestly thought today I might die,� he said.

Ultimately, it took three flight attendants and three passengers, including Mr. Rojas, to restrain the man, move him to the floor and then bind his hands and ankles with tape and zip ties provided by the flight attendants, Mr. Rojas said. The passenger remained on the floor for about 15 minutes until the plane landed and the authorities collected him, Mr. Rojas said.

As Mr. Moustafa, 37, was being interviewed by phone from his seat, the pilot came by and talked to the passengers about how the man had tried and failed to open the cockpit door.

Disturbances on flights have surged during the coronavirus pandemic, and many of the incidents have involved passengers who disagree with mask mandates.

Last year, the Federal Aviation Administration conducted more than 1,000 investigations of unruly passengers � more than in the previous seven years combined.

Karen Maria Alston, who lives in Washington, said she was sitting in the 17th row of the plane watching the movie �Dune� when she saw some men rush into the first-class section. She was not able to see what was happening, she said, but the commotion and the plane�s ensuing descent were frightening and �extremely stressful.�

�I need a drink and I am so thankful,� Ms. Alston said in a text message after the plane landed in Kansas City.

She said that passengers waited on the plane as officers with the Federal Bureau of Investigation conducted interviews with witnesses.

Then, told to disembark, the passengers waited for about three hours in the Kansas City airport, unwinding from their tense shared experience and celebrating the three passengers who intervened.

Mr. Rojas and other passengers huddled around a little television by a bar, unwinding and watching the Super Bowl, �just making the best out of the situation,� he said.

Three hours later, they were back on the plane headed to Washington.

Try to disrupt the flight? You get the pot.

# ? Feb 14, 2022 17:47

Source4Leko: Jul 25, 2007; Dinosaur Gum

Those stories are always more cathartic when the idiot gets the poo poo kicked outta them.

# ? Feb 14, 2022 17:57

kill me now: Sep 14, 2003; Why's Hank crying?

'CUZ HE JUST GOT DUNKED ON!

Source4Leko posted:

Those stories are always more cathartic when the idiot gets the poo poo kicked outta them.

When they are anti mask idiots or just a regular violent loudmouth yeah, but it sounds like this guy was having a mental breakdown so it just sucks all around.

# ? Feb 14, 2022 18:18

tactlessbastard: Feb 4, 2001; Godspeed, post; Fun Shoe

They should give the FAs tranquilizer pistols.

No, I can't conceive of any issues. I will not be taking any questions.

# ? Feb 14, 2022 18:31

BIG HEADLINE: Jun 13, 2006; "Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

tactlessbastard posted:

They should give the FAs tranquilizer pistols.

No, I can't conceive of any issues. I will not be taking any questions.

The pilots already have a means to incapacitate the entire plane. Signal the FAs to put on supplemental oxygen and depressurize the cabin.

It's a lot easier to belt and/or zip-tie an rear end in a top hat's wrists and legs when they're unconscious.

# ? Feb 14, 2022 18:43

`Nemesis: Dec 30, 2000; railroad graffiti

BIG HEADLINE posted:

The pilots already have a means to ~~incapacitate~~ loving murder the entire plane. Signal the FAs to put on supplemental oxygen and depressurize the cabin.

It's a lot easier to belt and/or zip-tie an rear end in a top hat's wrists and legs when they're ~~unconscious.~~ dead.

# ? Feb 14, 2022 19:01

Salami Surgeon: Jan 21, 2001; Don't close. Don't close.; Nap Ghost

But it worked in The Langoliers!

# ? Feb 14, 2022 19:21

slidebite: Nov 6, 2005; Good egg

BIG HEADLINE posted:

The pilots already have a means to incapacitate the entire plane. Signal the FAs to put on supplemental oxygen and depressurize the cabin.

It's a lot easier to belt and/or zip-tie an rear end in a top hat's wrists and legs when they're unconscious.

Can you actually do that? I thought a depressurization would automatically drop the o2 for everyone. Can they override that?

I am pretty sure they can drop the masks without a depressurization, but I didn't think they could stop it in a real event?

slidebite fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Feb 14, 2022

# ? Feb 14, 2022 20:40

Psion: Dec 13, 2002; eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS

it's also a profoundly dumb idea from top to bottom but i'm pretty sure Big Headline knew that

# ? Feb 14, 2022 21:57

BIG HEADLINE: Jun 13, 2006; "Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Psion posted:

it's also a profoundly dumb idea from top to bottom but i'm pretty sure Big Headline knew that

# ? Feb 14, 2022 22:08

Mr. Funny Pants: Apr 9, 2001

kill me now posted:

When they are anti mask idiots or just a regular violent loudmouth yeah, but it sounds like this guy was having a mental breakdown so it just sucks all around.

Yeah, I was getting ready to bathe in some just desserts but this really does sound like a mental health issue. Hopefully someone on the flight was aware enough to understand that and no one got a shot or two in for the sake of it when they had him wrapped up.

# ? Feb 14, 2022 22:14

Scratch Monkey: Oct 25, 2010; 👰Proč bychom se netě�ili🥰kdy� n�m P�n Bůh🙌🏻zdrav� d�💪?

Question for airline pilots

Many years ago a girlfriend related a story to me about an uncle or cousin of hers who was a newbie flight attendant. As the story went that after the plane, some typical sort of airliner, was fueled and ready to go he decided to open the door for some reason. After the door was opened he found that it couldn't close and seal properly again because the weight of the fuel had changed the geometry of the airframe enough that it just wouldn't fit. They had to empty the fuel, close the door, and refuel before they could leave. This doesn't sound terribly far fetched, but is it true?

# ? Feb 14, 2022 22:44

Zero One: Dec 30, 2004; HAIL TO THE VICTORS!

slidebite posted:

Can you actually do that? I thought a depressurization would automatically drop the o2 for everyone. Can they override that?

I am pretty sure they can drop the masks without a depressurization, but I didn't think they could stop it in a real event?

Even if they did drop automatically, the crazy anti-maskers on the flight aren't going to put them on. Problem solved.

# ? Feb 14, 2022 22:48

Kerosene19: May 7, 2007

Scratch Monkey posted:

Question for airline pilots

Many years ago a girlfriend related a story to me about an uncle or cousin of hers who was a newbie flight attendant. As the story went that after the plane, some typical sort of airliner, was fueled and ready to go he decided to open the door for some reason. After the door was opened he found that it couldn't close and seal properly again because the weight of the fuel had changed the geometry of the airframe enough that it just wouldn't fit. They had to empty the fuel, close the door, and refuel before they could leave. This doesn't sound terribly far fetched, but is it true?

I recall this being an issue with the overwing exit doors on fully loaded 747 classics and DC-10's. Never heard of that with main cabin doors though.

# ? Feb 15, 2022 00:04

Zero One: Dec 30, 2004; HAIL TO THE VICTORS!

Related: you may not have realized that a plane's height on the ground changes with weight. As more fuel, bags, and people are loaded the plane lowers as the landing gear compresses and vice versa.

This causes an issue with boarding. If the jetway was stationary it would eventually change from being level with the aircraft to being a big step up or down. Yet you don't see a person at the control panel making constant adjustments. How do jetways stay level automatically?

This little wheel:

As the aircraft moves up and down the wheel rotates and sends a signal that tells the jetway height to move in sync.

Zero One fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Feb 15, 2022

# ? Feb 15, 2022 00:52

kalleth: Jan 28, 2006; C'mon, just give it a shot; Fun Shoe

The next time I fly somewhere you'd better believe it is going to be the most difficult thing ever not to just give that wheel a little tickle on my way past.

drat you, I'm getting arrested, aren't I.

# ? Feb 15, 2022 02:26

Cojawfee: May 31, 2006; I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Looks like it's outside of the walkway, so good luck.

# ? Feb 15, 2022 02:28

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

kalleth posted:

drat you, I'm getting arrested, aren't I.

If you're lucky, if you're unlucky you'll get a finger crushed.

# ? Feb 15, 2022 02:35

FrozenVent: May 1, 2009; The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Scratch Monkey posted:

Question for airline pilots

Many years ago a girlfriend related a story to me about an uncle or cousin of hers who was a newbie flight attendant. As the story went that after the plane, some typical sort of airliner, was fueled and ready to go he decided to open the door for some reason. After the door was opened he found that it couldn't close and seal properly again because the weight of the fuel had changed the geometry of the airframe enough that it just wouldn't fit. They had to empty the fuel, close the door, and refuel before they could leave. This doesn't sound terribly far fetched, but is it true?

Aren�t you supposed to keep the cabin door open while you refuel?

Spent way too much time freezing my rear end at YVO, if that ain�t true I�m gonna have to hunt down some FAs.

# ? Feb 15, 2022 03:29

Cat Hatter: Oct 24, 2006; Hatters gonna hat.

Cojawfee posted:

Looks like it's outside of the walkway, so good luck.

That picture looks like it was taken from the walkway and even if it wasn't, I've definitely seen that wheel before and never knew what it did. I always assumed it was just to keep from scratching the paint like the dryer at the car wash.

# ? Feb 15, 2022 03:43

Midjack: Dec 24, 2007

Cat Hatter posted:

That picture looks like it was taken from the walkway and even if it wasn't, I've definitely seen that wheel before and never knew what it did. I always assumed it was just to keep from scratching the paint like the dryer at the car wash.

Yeah same, I assumed it was a feeler to keep the jetway from crashing into the plane and messing up the paint!

# ? Feb 15, 2022 03:47

babyeatingpsychopath: Oct 28, 2000; Forum Veteran

I always thought it was a grounding wheel to keep the airplane and jetway at the same electrical potential so nobody gets zapped.

# ? Feb 15, 2022 04:26

`Nemesis: Dec 30, 2000; railroad graffiti

babyeatingpsychopath posted:

I always thought it was a grounding wheel to keep the airplane and jetway at the same electrical potential so nobody gets zapped.

same, i've wondered about it for years and years now, glad to know what it's for.

# ? Feb 15, 2022 05:51

BobHoward: Feb 13, 2012; The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull

Midjack posted:

Yeah same, I assumed it was a feeler to keep the jetway from crashing into the plane and messing up the paint!

Seems likely it's both that and the feedback to adjust height all in one.

I wonder if they have to design in extra reinforcement for the skin surrounding doors to make sure jetways don't crinkle poo poo up.

# ? Feb 15, 2022 07:16

MrChips: Jun 10, 2005; FLIGHT SAFETY TIP: Fatties out first

lilbeefer posted:

C.W. Lemoine in his last funded flight was quite sad. I have been watching him for a few years. Average music choice but I feel for the dude, he clearly loves his job.

He seems like an OK dude, I assume he isn't a massive chud (or at least keeps politics away from his videos). His mate Gonky I haven't paid much attention to over the years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yii8vrvxUfI

Dude is a massive chud, sorry. In his video about his last flight in the regular forces, he was talking about how proud he was wearing a thin blue line flag on his flightsuit. Also I think he was/is a cop as well?

# ? Feb 15, 2022 08:03

lilbeefer: Oct 4, 2004

Ah drat, that's a shame

# ? Feb 15, 2022 12:31

Full Collapse: Dec 4, 2002

Yeah, he's basically a giant prick with a cult of personality among a number of DCS players.

# ? Feb 15, 2022 15:37

Bob A Feet: Aug 10, 2005; Dear diary, I got another erection today at work. SO embarrassing, but kinda hot. The CO asked me to fix up his dress uniform. I had stayed late at work to move his badges 1/8" to the left and pointed it out this morning. 1SG spanked me while the CO watched, once they caught it. Tomorrow I get to start all over again...

Zero One posted:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/13/us/american-air-emergency-landing.html

Try to disrupt the flight? You get the pot.

Amazing stories. I�m sure that�s years of frustration coming to the point of one coffee pot.

# ? Feb 15, 2022 15:41

EvenWorseOpinions: Jun 10, 2017

Ward Carroll seems pretty chill though

Can't wait for him to get milkshake duck'd

# ? Feb 15, 2022 15:43

ThisIsJohnWayne: Feb 23, 2007; Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!

EvenWorseOpinions posted:

Ward Carroll seems pretty chill though

Can't wait for him to get milkshake duck'd

That's the F-14 guy right? He's a Trumpist, check the titles on his early videos

E. I take that back, went back and watched the things.
A more charitable reading is he's somewhat apolitical and disapproves individual criminal behaviour but refrains from not respecting any person who has been elected president of the USA.
Which is ridiculous when faced with the visage that is Trump.

Besides all the good qualities his videos have, it does bother me that he has a nationalistic "flavour" or starting point on things. It's a personality thing maybe, still I do not like the idea of avoiding ugly subjects or scathing self criticism because you were part of a milorg. Hell, makes it more important to do it if anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap0TxiLMMoE

ThisIsJohnWayne fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Feb 15, 2022

# ? Feb 15, 2022 15:48

St_Ides: May 19, 2008

BobHoward posted:

Seems likely it's both that and the feedback to adjust height all in one.

I wonder if they have to design in extra reinforcement for the skin surrounding doors to make sure jetways don't crinkle poo poo up.

It's a useful tool for lining up the bridge with the aircraft, but in the bridges I used to drive it did not prevent you from hitting the aircraft with the bridge. There wasn't anything that would stop the bridge (at least not on the walkway part. There is a loop around the wheel below to prevent you from driving it over vehicles or rampies). I'd imagine that with the huge variety of sizes and shapes it'd be difficult to create a simple way of making a safety.

It'd slow when it was close (it had a proximity sensor), but if you were super dumb you could ram the bridge in to the aircraft just fine.

Once it's in position, you'd engage the auto-level (the wheel), and if you were being monitored, there's a sensor on a tether you place between the walkway floor and the aircraft door so that the door doesn't accidentally get ripped off. That was an automatic stop.

# ? Feb 15, 2022 16:23

AzureSkys: Apr 27, 2003

I've been listening to The Fighter Pilot Podcast which is OK and there's some stuff said by the host here and there that hints at a big Christian mindset and ultra patriotic. It seems most social media fighter pilot personas I've heard lean that way.

# ? Feb 15, 2022 16:27

Jimmy Carter: Nov 3, 2005; THIS MOTHERDUCKER
FLIES IN STYLE

Kerosene19 posted:

I recall this being an issue with the overwing exit doors on fully loaded 747 classics and DC-10's. Never heard of that with main cabin doors though.

I'll use this as an excuse to post the vid showing that 777s blow an explosive charge to retract the spoiler closest to overwing door when you open it in an emergency

# ? Feb 15, 2022 20:18

NightGyr: Mar 7, 2005; I � Unicode

Jimmy Carter posted:

I'll use this as an excuse to post the vid showing that 777s blow an explosive charge to retract the spoiler closest to overwing door when you open it in an emergency

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IBKI6RDH-s&t=24s

# ? Feb 15, 2022 20:20

Phy: Jun 27, 2008; Fun Shoe

AzureSkys posted:

I've been listening to The Fighter Pilot Podcast which is OK and there's some stuff said by the host here and there that hints at a big Christian mindset and ultra patriotic. It seems most social media fighter pilot personas I've heard lean that way.

I thought I remembered reading (likely in this thread) that the air force academy, and thereby the whole goddamn air force, had been infiltrated by evangelicals

I don't remember if naval aviation is the same

# ? Feb 15, 2022 22:18

vessbot: Jun 17, 2005; I don't like you because you're dangerous

Zero One posted:

This little wheel:

Learning has occurred. Every once in a while standing in the jetbridge I've felt it move a bit, and I always thought it was fixing its own height in a closed loop, after sagging. I didn't realize it's following the airplane. Neat!

# ? Feb 15, 2022 22:20

shame on an IGA: Apr 8, 2005

ThisIsJohnWayne posted:

That's the F-14 guy right? He's a Trumpist, check the titles on his early videos

E. I take that back, went back and watched the things.
A more charitable reading is he's somewhat apolitical and disapproves individual criminal behaviour but refrains from not respecting any person who has been elected president of the USA.
Which is ridiculous when faced with the visage that is Trump.

Besides all the good qualities his videos have, it does bother me that he has a nationalistic "flavour" or starting point on things. It's a personality thing maybe, still I do not like the idea of avoiding ugly subjects or scathing self criticism because you were part of a milorg. Hell, makes it more important to do it if anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap0TxiLMMoE

The one where he tells the story of almost getting court-martialled for going on Fox News too much in the Bush years should speak for itself

At best it exhibits a stunning naivete about how media outlets work for a guy who was on a book tour

shame on an IGA fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Feb 15, 2022

# ? Feb 15, 2022 22:52

Diametunim: Oct 26, 2010

Is there anyone in this thread with their FAA medical who's on an SSRI / taking ADD medication that could roughly outline the hurdles I'm going to encounter trying to get a class 2-3 medical?

I've done some light reading on the medical certification process and unless I'm mistaken everything I'm reading leads me to believe taking Adderall and SSRIs that are not explicitly approved are automatic non starters without expensive waivers and approvals

I've been taking SSRIs and ADD medication since I was a child, the better part of 20 years now.

Which leads me to my next question... How many people are lying to their medical examiners about the medications they're taking?

Currently chasing my PPL with roughly 20 hours of flight time logged.

# ? Feb 16, 2022 20:26

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# ? May 25, 2024 09:13

Sagebrush: Feb 26, 2012

The way my AME put it was: "you can put anything you like on this form. Nobody's going to look into it after it gets filed. Except if you bust a regulation or run into someone on the taxiway, in which case they're going to look into absolutely everything, and then you'd better have told the truth."

I don't have any specific advice about psychiatric drugs, though, sorry. The Aviation Megathread is where most of the pilot chat happens, though (this thread is airplane chat) so you could ask in there: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3821398

What country are you in? In the USA you need a medical to solo, and you must be coming up on that with 20 hours, so oh right I guess that's why you're asking.

# ? Feb 16, 2022 21:54

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