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mmkay posted:It was known for a couple of days that there'd be a vote this week (don't remember if it was supposed to be today specifically). It was. fatherboxx posted:Yes, it was set to voting few days ago Oh, the MoFA delegation is still happening? lmao
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Brogeoisie posted:They can't do poo poo is the thing. Russia exports equivalent of US on petroleum + petroleum product exports. US supplies all of Latin America with the majority of their road fuels. Even Brazil imports more than 25% of their fuels despite massive ethanol and biodiesel uptick and large refining network. Imagine zeroing out all of that oil supply -- what happens? It's gigantic. It would throw world into a global recession near overnight, particularly hurting all of Europe. US could divert their minimal import flows of russian diesel and buy more Saudi crude and fuel oil, but Europe is absolutely screwed, especially central Europe as they really rely on Druzbha pipeline to move Russian Ural crude into their refineries. It doesn’t have to go to zero. In addition to what you already said that’s also great way to put Russia into a position where they have no choice but go full aggro or entirely collapse. I was thinking more in the terms of accelerating plans to divest. I have no idea what percentage that would come out to in say, ten years, probably not much. However seeing long term trends move in the wrong direction is definitely something a petrol state will take notice of PIZZA.BAT fucked around with this message at 13:16 on Feb 15, 2022 |
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They coyld have voted for DLNR recognition at any moment, you don't need a troop buildup to do that. The problem of such recognition is it means that Russia officially invalidates Minsk agreements and trying to force Kiev to follow these agreements was their entire policy since 2014.
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Feb 15, 2022 13:17
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The document is non binding anyway (it is an airy Appeal) so the President can sneeze into it if he wants.
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Feb 15, 2022 13:21
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Follow their interpretation of Minsk* But yeah if they formally annex the territory like that, they take away another tool that allowed Germany and France to lie to themselves about how Russia is totally worth talking to as an equal in peace negotiations with third parties and not at all party to the war.
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Feb 15, 2022 13:23
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My prediction is Putin's not going to sign it. See, unlike our Western partners, I have the political will to go against parliament just to honour international agreements. (also, my oligarch friends don't want their assets seized abroad due to sanctions)
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Lmao, German chancellor is in Moscow talking to Putin right now and he's also seated at the long table cause he refused to take the Russian PCR test. I have very little doubt that they would do a genome sequencing and file that poo poo somewhere just to have it
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Feb 15, 2022 14:04
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gently caress you, Rupert Murdoch!
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GABA ghoul posted:Lmao, German chancellor is in Moscow talking to Putin right now and he's also seated at the long table cause he refused to take the Russian PCR test. lol
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Paladinus posted:gently caress you, Rupert Murdoch! My friend in Telegram has shared Discord intel that 420,000 Russian troops will invade Ukraine at 6:9pm. GABA ghoul posted:Lmao, German chancellor is in Moscow talking to Putin right now and he's also seated at the long table cause he refused to take the Russian PCR test. Same reason Macron sat at the table.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Same reason Macron sat at the table. I can even see the rationale somewhat. Aside from the creepiness and privacy aspect, Russia massively supports the political opposition in Germany(especially fascists and neo-nazis) and a sequenced genome could potentially contain valuable information that could be leaked to the opposition during an election. Maybe Scholz and Macron have some secret lovechild or some high predisposition towards neurological diseases that the Nazis can use in a smear campaign. Better not risk that poo poo at all, even if it's a negligible risk. He did offer to do the test in the German embassy using German equipment and allow multiple Russian witnesses for the whole process but Russia refused lol
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GABA ghoul posted:I can even see the rationale somewhat. Aside from the creepiness and privacy aspect, Russia massively supports the political opposition in Germany(especially fascists and neo-nazis) and a sequenced genome could potentially contain valuable information that could be leaked to the opposition during an election. Maybe Scholz and Macron have some secret lovechild or some high predisposition towards neurological diseases that the Nazis can use in a smear campaign. Better not risk that poo poo at all, even if it's a negligible risk.  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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GABA ghoul posted:I can even see the rationale somewhat. Aside from the creepiness and privacy aspect, Russia massively supports the political opposition in Germany(especially fascists and neo-nazis) and a sequenced genome could potentially contain valuable information that could be leaked to the opposition during an election. Maybe Scholz and Macron have some secret lovechild or some high predisposition towards neurological diseases that the Nazis can use in a smear campaign. Better not risk that poo poo at all, even if it's a negligible risk.  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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https://twitter.com/tassagency_en/status/1493585951695810569
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GABA ghoul posted:He did offer to do the test in the German embassy using German equipment and allow multiple Russian witnesses for the whole process but Russia refused lol At that point I would stay home and have a videoconference. Germany should have the insight that this visit is meaningless anyway. They keep whining about the environment and have their chancellor fly to a meeting that can hardly be called "in-person" anyway.
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I guess we're probating all the posts that treat that weird bioconspiracy nonsense with the contempt that it deserves, so I'll unfortunately have to pretend it's worth an actual response: First, there's almost nothing useful that would be gained from having world leaders' genomes on file. The notion that it's for genome collection rather than just a drat COVID test is absurd. Second, even if we grant that they may want it, whole-genome sequencing is literally part of my job. If you want DNA from somebody who enters your house, you can get DNA from somebody who enters your house, especially if you in charge of Russia. It's easier to sequence with full coverage a sample that's carefully provided by your target, but you don't need it.
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Is the Putin is collecting European saliva for secret medical experiments and/or magical reagents the European version of QAnon or what's going on E: does Putin do the hexes himself or does he contract out to a bog-witch or Rasputin
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VitalSigns posted:E: does Putin do the hexes himself or does he contract out to a bog-witch or Rasputin Please the Russian government hasn't used witch hexes in decades. These days all it's playing god with other peoples saliva is done via mad scientists in labs in castles, a top creepy, stormy, mountain tops. A lot of good peer reviewed papers come from labs.
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Feb 15, 2022 15:35
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As I predicted, Putin's not signing the LDNR recognition bill. For now anyway.quote:MPs clearly share the deep concern their voters have for the people of Donbas. We must do everything to solve the problem of Donbas, but first and foremost it should be done through the not fully realised opportunities to implement the Minsk agreements.
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Paladinus posted:As I predicted, Putin's not signing the LDNR recognition bill. For now anyway. Wonder what the play is here.
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:I guess we're probating all the posts that treat that weird bioconspiracy nonsense with the contempt that it deserves, so I'll unfortunately have to pretend it's worth an actual response: Take it up with Scholz and Macron. They are the ones who didn't want to submit samples to the Russian state out of fear that they are gonna be sequenced. Or the US president, who famously even gets their turds collected from a portable toilet by a secret service agent out of the same fear. Especially Scholz probably still remembers a time when the GDR used to to do creepy poo poo like keep extensive archives of body odor samples of people. The Stasi and KGB did some pretty wild stuff back in the day.
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Anyway everyone knows if you want to extract DNA samples from world leaders you don't bluff them into agreeing to medical tests under your control, that's too obvious. You just send them an invitation to Epstein Island
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CommieGIR posted:Wonder what the play is here. It's another attempt to make Ukraine follow the Minsk agreements. As explicitly stated. Do what you've agreed to, or we can recognise LDNR at any moment.
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Sekenr posted:They coyld have voted for DLNR recognition at any moment, you don't need a troop buildup to do that. The problem of such recognition is it means that Russia officially invalidates Minsk agreements and trying to force Kiev to follow these agreements was their entire policy since 2014. At any other time that recognition would be far more likely to face sanctions. But as you said, it's unclear that doing that actually brings any benefits.
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Good thing they’re not leaving bits of hair and dead skin cells at that table!
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Good thing they’re not leaving bits of hair and dead skin cells at that table! The trick is to take a baggie full of random hair and skin flakes from hundreds of people and dump it onto your chair before you sit down so the Russians will never be able to identify yours
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Inject someone else's piss into your bladder than piss it out in a Kremlin toilet as a funny prank. Two years pass, and Russia installs a cloned horse as Germany's chancellor.
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Paladinus posted:Inject someone else's piss into your bladder than piss it out in a Kremlin toilet as a funny prank. Two years pass, and Russia installs a cloned horse as Germany's chancellor. olbig. Lavrov?
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fatherboxx posted:Now I'd like to see how much this stupid loving flex costed (in addition to another kick in ruble's balls) don’t forgot to include the hundreds of millions the west dumped into ukraine the past few weeks over this incredibly obvious farce E: b =/ m
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GABA ghoul posted:Orthe US president, who famously even gets their turds collected from a portable toilet by a secret service agent out of the same fear. I thought that was so no information about potential diseases leak into other countries' hands?
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GABA ghoul posted:I can even see the rationale somewhat. Aside from the creepiness and privacy aspect, Russia massively supports the political opposition in Germany(especially fascists and neo-nazis) and a sequenced genome could potentially contain valuable information that could be leaked to the opposition during an election. Maybe Scholz and Macron have some secret lovechild or some high predisposition towards neurological diseases that the Nazis can use in a smear campaign. Better not risk that poo poo at all, even if it's a negligible risk. BREAKING: Gene sequencing reveals Emmanuel Macron is a mere mortal, not an Olympian deity of the ancient pantheon as previously claimed. What else is he hiding? If the Russians wanted to analyze any politician's genes because ???? they would just analyze residue from a coffee cup or whatever
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Raskolnikov38 posted:don’t forgot to include the hundreds of billions the west dumped into ukraine the past few weeks over this incredibly obvious farce I'll let american posters care about that (can't forget the american feelings, the most important in the world) while most state hospitals are overworked to the point of implosion and my president plays a dumb map game
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You know the scene in Alien Resurrection with the failed Ripley clones? That but with Scholz. It's also interesting to see the White House tee off on ZeroHedge. I don't care for them that much but Biden's admin appears to embrace you're either with us or against us very heavily (see the Kabul airstrike for another example). Oh well, maybe we'll get some clarity tomorrow.
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I imagine foreign leaders just don't trust Russian doctors with shoving anything into their noses. Probably not that justified, but whatever, security protocols are weird.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:don’t forgot to include the hundreds of millions the west dumped into ukraine the past few weeks over this incredibly obvious farce I mean Javelins are expensive but they're not that expensive. e: didn't catch your edit
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I thought the "Americans are completely unable to understand the world without America at its center" line from the last thread was a little overblown, but oh boy have all the posters who suddenly popped up to use this crisis as a backdrop against which to whine about Biden proven me wrong. For slightly less "posting about posting" content: It's heartening to see initial signs of Putin backing down from his threats, though we should wait until demobilization has more visible completed to pop the champagne. Cugel the Clever fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Feb 15, 2022 |
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Raskolnikov38 posted:don’t forgot to include the hundreds of millions the west dumped into ukraine the past few weeks over this incredibly obvious farce West can afford it. Meanwhile Russians continue to live in poverty on levels that don't make sense for a nation with such resources
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mmkay posted:I thought that was so no information about potential diseases leak into other countries' hands? Maybe, I dunno? Here is the first google result on the subject, an Atlantic article from 2012 citing unconfirmed sources that the secret service tries to collects everything that touches the president's lips. I only skimmed the article but it also claims that the WikiLeaks cables contained orders from Clinton to collect DNA samples from foreign heads of states and UN officials whenever possible. So that may actually be a thing that states do nowadays https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/11/hacking-the-presidents-dna/309147/
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CommieGIR posted:Wonder what the play is here. Putin would lose the option to exploit vaguely written Minsk agreements in the event where Russia recognises LDNR sovereignties. If he doesn’t mean to achieve his goals by force here, the agreements constitute one of the better pathways towards a de jure blockade of Ukrainian membership in Western organisations.
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