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paul_soccer12 posted:Did Russia spend a ton of money on beefing up the military during this whole ordeal or just rearranged existing assets? Russia is currently in phase 1.5 of strategic modernisation of its military. After they suffered some embarrassing failures during Russian invasion into Georgia, a 2011-2020 modernisation plan was developed. During that, they found themselves waging wars in Ukraine and Syria, and incorporated those learnings into a Frankenstein 2018-2027 plan, which is going to be replaced in 2023 or 2024 with plan based on the difficulties they’ve faced so far in their third campaign against Ukraine. In other words, they’re continuously spending more than they normally would want to, and will likely ramp up spending in the future. Unless there’s a serious trade war coming up between Russia and EU. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Feb 15, 2022 |
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Russia is currently in phase 1.5 of strategic modernisation of its military. After they suffered embarrassing failure during Russian invasion into Georgia, a 2011-2020 modernisation plan was developed. During that, they got waged wars in Ukraine and Syria, and incorporated those learnings into a Frankenstein 2018-2027 plan, which is going to be replaced in 2023 or 2024 with plan based on the difficulties theyve faced so far in their third campaign against Ukraine. Thanks for this, I'm going to go look into these modernizations because I wasn't aware the Georgia invasion went badly from a military standpoint. I'll have to look more into that, I was under the impression it went well for RF
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Biden absolutely does not sound like this is over.
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Feb 15, 2022 23:10
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"Look at all those people, going about their lives" It is a bit odd for Reuters to put up a stream of this right now. Russia is being very deliberately vague on the timeline for invasion, including if it will happen at all, so streaming the capital of their victim seems like a bit of a waste of bandwidth right now.
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HonorableTB posted:Thanks for this, I'm going to go look into these modernizations because I wasn't aware the Georgia invasion went badly from a military standpoint. I'll have to look more into that, I was under the impression it went well for RF Russia won decisively, but not without some comical failures, I believe. Some of the things that reportedly happened: - Tactical communications link was so unreliable that field commanders were using personal mobile phones to coordinate engagements - Reconnaissance drones footage was only accessible after the drones landed back in base - There were numerous casualties from road accidents while simply moving towards the frontlines Here’s an decent article in English https://warontherocks.com/2018/09/russian-performance-in-the-russo-georgian-war-revisited/
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Feb 15, 2022 23:19
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mobby_6kl posted:Holy poo poo, Ukraine was just a diversion to distract from their invasion of America! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE1v3bm8-mk Putin has obviously been plagiarizing Yuri's masterplan all along.
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Alchenar posted:Biden absolutely does not sound like this is over. Not a single Russian boot has taken a step back. Orthanc6 posted:"Look at all those people, going about their lives" White House said tomorrow so its tomorrow, duh.
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Feb 15, 2022 23:20
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What am I looking at here? Wait a second, is this- drat it! Rick Rolled again! Orthanc6 posted:"Look at all those people, going about their lives" Russia is not being vague. They emphatically state time after time that they are not going to invade. It's fine not to trust them, I suppose, but as far as their public statements go, their position is very clear. Paladinus fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Feb 15, 2022 |
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Feb 15, 2022 23:22
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Paladinus posted:What am I looking at here? Wait a second, is this- drat it! Rick Rolled again! Ok fair on their public statements. I'm used to ignoring the words from various right-wing governments, Russian, US-Republican and otherwise, and judging by their actions instead, but yes you are correct that they have said publicly they will not invade. So the vagueness is from the contradiction of their current and past actions compared to their rhetoric. So I guess showing the Maidan Square is just Reuters' way of showing solidarity tonight?
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Feb 15, 2022 23:30
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Paladinus posted:What am I looking at here? Wait a second, is this- drat it! Rick Rolled again! Rickrolling isn't culturally appropriate for the thread. Maybe this instead? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1x7M6gLNXs
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Feb 15, 2022 23:33
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I've been flippant but tomorrow's not bad. Full moon, cold, clear, no chance of serious precipitation until the 18th, only light precipitation after that, frozen ground on the relevant regions of Ukraine. Maybe tomorrow Vlad will OK recognizing Donetsk and Luhanks as genuine independent states and that'll make Ukraine jump, and there's the legal/political justification you need since you've got these independent nations as recognized by Russia, with a majority Russian citizens and on Russia's border, under attack from a hostile foreign power attempting to absorb them.
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PSA: Please refer to the nation as "Ukraine" and not "the Ukraine." We've gotten several reports over the last few days that "the Ukraine" is a somewhat annoying dogwhistle and of course the official name of the nation is "Ukraine." We're not going to probe on sight, this is mostly a reminder. Someone might catch a probe if it seems like they're doing it intentionally to be inflammatory.
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Feb 15, 2022 23:43
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Feb 15, 2022 23:45
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Not even being subtle any more. https://twitter.com/tom_nuttall/status/1493594812548800515?t=O9VYwFQONmOi2TOWxXatSw&s=19
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Feb 15, 2022 23:48
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Fritz the Horse posted:PSA: Please refer to the nation as "Ukraine" and not "the Ukraine." We've gotten several reports over the last few days that "the Ukraine" is a somewhat annoying dogwhistle and of course the official name of the nation is "Ukraine." Can we still pronounce Kiev like the chicken?
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Feb 15, 2022 23:49
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Conspiratiorist posted:Are we allowed to do it ironically? Can we call Germany the "German State", seeing how it's basically a foreign puppet?
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Feb 15, 2022 23:54
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BREAKING NEWS: Someone got close enough for the Reuters stream to pick up and started playing the Soviet Anthem. Now they're playing Komm Susser Tod.
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Feb 15, 2022 23:58
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Can we still pronounce Kiev like the chicken? If you make it and post it in this thread, I'll allow it.
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Conspiratiorist posted:Are we allowed to do it ironically? imo it's the intent that matters, if posters are using it deliberately to piss others off, that won't fly. Obviously intent is not always easy to infer from posts so use at your own risk, you might catch a dreaded 6er if it seems like you're dropping "the Ukraine" to be a jerk.
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Fritz the Horse posted:imo it's the intent that matters, if posters are using it deliberately to piss others off, that won't fly. Obviously intent is not always easy to infer from posts so use at your own risk, you might catch a dreaded 6er if it seems like you're dropping "the Ukraine" to be a jerk. Why only a sixer for someone using an inflammatory dogwhistle in a thread in the midst of an active invasion against the targets of that dogwhistle?
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Discendo Vox posted:Why only a sixer for someone using an inflammatory dogwhistle in a thread in the midst of an active invasion against the targets of that dogwhistle? This is incorrect there is no current active invasion
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Terminal autist posted:This is incorrect there is no current active invasion tell that to crimea/east ukraine
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Discendo Vox posted:Why only a sixer for someone using an inflammatory dogwhistle in a thread in the midst of an active invasion against the targets of that dogwhistle? The SA admins have not yet supplied this thread with lethal aid and therefore the mods are limited to using 6ers to defend against bad posting. edit: however, if the situation escalates and misleading tweets are deployed, we may request additional firepower. Fritz the Horse fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Feb 16, 2022 |
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Terminal autist posted:This is incorrect there is no current active invasion There has been an active invasion for eight years.
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Some minor (?) power outages happening in Kharkiv. https://youtu.be/H7ZbVufqW3s
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HonorableTB posted:There has been an active invasion for eight years. Brave of you to recognize Russia's sovereignty over Crimea itt
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Is there any possible strategic reason for this, or is this literally just Russia being incredibly childish and petty. I mean everyone knows Russian hackers can do this, so it's not like it's much of a threat/warning or anything.
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HonorableTB posted:There has been an active invasion for eight years. I think that stretches the definition of "active invasion" beyond recognition. It was an active invasion eight years ago. Now it's a dead issue; Crimea is part of Russia, rightly or wrongly. There is currently no active invasion of Ukraine by Russia. There may be one in the near future, but I strongly doubt it.
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dr_rat posted:Is there any possible strategic reason for this, or is this literally just Russia being incredibly childish and petty. Hurts attempts to mobilize against an invasion
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Feb 16, 2022 00:24
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From Webster website Invasion -- an act of invading especially : incursion of an army for conquest or plunder. Crimea is part of Russia now full stop that is not an invasion it has been conquered, granted Donbas is a little more vague but the point still stands. We didn't call it the invasion of Afghanistan in 2019 it was the war. It is the war in Donbas and the theoretical invasion of Ukraine at large.
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Majorian posted:I think that stretches the definition of "active invasion" beyond recognition. It was an active invasion and illegal occupation eight years ago. Now it's a dead issue; Crimea is part of Russia, rightly or wrongly. There is currently no active invasion of Ukraine by Russia. There may be one in the near future, but I strongly doubt it. I guess raining artillery shells is a natural occurrence in Eastern Ukraine then.
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Majorian posted:I think that stretches the definition of "active invasion" beyond recognition. It was an active invasion and illegal occupation eight years ago. Now it's a dead issue; Crimea is part of Russia, rightly or wrongly. There is currently no active invasion of Ukraine by Russia. There may be one in the near future, but I strongly doubt it. Donbas my dude.
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An ongoing occupation counts as an invasion, Crimea's annexation was illegitimate through force of arms and should be considered as such
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I guess raining artillery shells is a natural occurrence in Eastern Ukraine then. Conspiratiorist posted:Donbas my dude. Donbas is an insurrection. Ukraine's in a state of civil war, and has been for a while now.
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Majorian posted:Donbas is an insurrection. Ukraine's in a state of civil war, and has been for a while now. Just a natural insurrection. Nothing to see here.
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Majorian posted:Donbas is an insurrection. Ukraine's in a state of civil war, and has been for a while now. You should change your avatar from Zhukov to Molotov. And buy a bridge I am selling.
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Majorian posted:Donbas is an insurrection. Ukraine's in a state of civil war, and has been for a while now. Ah yes like how the little green men in Crimea also totally weren't Russian regulars out of uniform right
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