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HonorableTB posted:An ongoing occupation counts as an invasion, Crimea's annexation was illegitimate through force of arms and should be considered as such No it doesn't invasion refers to a very specific in the timeframe of a war. Occupation -- a : the act or process of taking possession of a place or area -- b : the holding and control of an area by a foreign military force -- c : the military force occupying a country or the policies carried out by it.
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Terminal autist posted:No it doesn't invasion refers to a very specific in the timeframe of a war. Occupation -- a : the act or process of taking possession of a place or area -- b : the holding and control of an area by a foreign military force -- c : the military force occupying a country or the policies carried out by it. And the occupying military force would be called.....invaders!
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Yeah this is dumb I think any charitable reading of someone saying 'active invasion' right now is clearly referring to tanks rolling over the border.
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Terminal autist posted:No it doesn't invasion refers to a very specific in the timeframe of a war. Occupation -- a : the act or process of taking possession of a place or area -- b : the holding and control of an area by a foreign military force -- c : the military force occupying a country or the policies carried out by it. Really? Cause people were calling Afghanistan an invasion in 2022
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BoldFace posted:Some minor (?) power outages happening in Kharkiv. https://twitter.com/MarQs__/status/1493728930406092800
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Alchenar posted:Yeah this is dumb I think any charitable reading of someone saying 'active invasion' right now is clearly referring to tanks rolling over the border. Which hasn't happened yet and is not guaranteed to happen
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Despera posted:Really? Cause people were calling Afghanistan an invasion in 2022 no they werent. it was a textbook occupation. its similar to why these are two separate articles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Iraq_(2003%E2%80%932011)
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Successful invasions arent invasions elohel
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HonorableTB posted:Ah yes like how the little green men in Crimea also totally weren't Russian regulars out of uniform right Of course they were. I never claimed they weren't. I'm not seeing any evidence that that's what's happening right now with Donbas and Lukhansk, though.
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Conspiratiorist posted:BREAKING NEWS: Someone got close enough for the Reuters stream to pick up and started playing the Soviet Anthem. Now they're playing Komm Susser Tod. I think it's whoever's manning the PC Reuters is streaming from, I hear them moving in their chair and putting down a coffee cup sometimes edit: they just said "gently caress jannies" with an american accent, did Reuters contract a 4chan guy for this  looks like it's streaming from one of the upper floors of Hotel Ukraine Flavahbeast fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Feb 16, 2022 |
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Majorian posted:Of course they were. I never claimed they weren't. I'm not seeing any evidence that that's what's happening right now with Donbas and Lukhansk, though. The State Duma passed legal authorization for the Russian military to operate in Eastern Ukraine in 2014 and it was never revoked, so you've got flagged military there and that's no secret.
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Despera posted:Really? Cause people were calling Afghanistan an invasion in 2022 Who is people
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GABA ghoul posted:Take it up with Scholz and Macron. They are the ones who didn't want to submit samples to the Russian state out of fear that they are gonna be sequenced. Or the US president, who famously even gets their turds collected from a portable toilet by a secret service agent out of the same fear. You do realize this is something you made up, right? Both didn't subject themselves to Russian Covid testing, but the "genome sequencing" part you invented. Fame Douglas fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Feb 16, 2022 |
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Conspiratiorist posted:The State Duma passed legal authorization for the Russian military to operate in Eastern Ukraine in 2014 and it was never revoked, so you've got flagged military there and that's no secret. Calling that an "active invasion" is a stretch. By that definition, the U.S. has been invading Cuba for 63 years straight.
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Majorian posted:Calling that an "active invasion" is a stretch. By that definition, the U.S. has been invading Cuba for 63 years straight. US hasn't murdered any Cubans in Cuba lately to my awareness. Russia has been doing that in Ukraine pretty much non-stop.
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Majorian posted:Calling that an "active invasion" is a stretch. By that definition, the U.S. has been invading Cuba for 63 years straight. They have.
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If the US annexed some of Cuba let me know cause I'd love to visit
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OddObserver posted:US hasn't murdered any Cubans in Cuba lately to my awareness. Russia has been doing that in Ukraine pretty much non-stop. I don't think "killing people in other countries" is a workable definition for the phrase "active invasion." Are drone strikes invasions, too? What about espionage, if it leads to deaths? Conspiratiorist posted:They have. Okay, so you're just using a different definition from most people. That's fine - I'm not making a value judgment there, and I applaud you for your consistency, but all the same, I don't think most people would agree. Gitmo is an active occupation, imo.
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Despera posted:If the US annexed some of Cuba let me know cause I'd love to visit Gitmo.
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karthun posted:Gitmo. that was bought
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Despera posted:that was bought Cuba has wanted it back since the revolution, and no, we didn't "buy" it. It was a concession for our involvement in the Spanish-American War, as part of the Platt Amendment. That amendment was repealed in 1934, so our occupation of Guantanamo is actually illegal. \/\/\/okay, so has the U.S. been conducting an active invasion of indigenous American land for the past 246 years? I think there's a stronger case to be made that it's an active occupation than an invasion.\/\/\/ Majorian fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Feb 16, 2022 |
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Majorian posted:It wasn't Batista's to sell. Cuba has wanted it back since the revolution. And Alaska wasnt the Tsars or Loiusiana, Napolean's
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Despera posted:that was bought Leased, and famously Cuba doesn't cash the checks.
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karthun posted:Leased, and famously Cuba doesn't cash the checks. Does the lease have an expiration date?
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Cuba could be the 11th Canadian province. Think of the potential.
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Wistful of Dollars posted:Cuba could be the 11th Canadian province. Think of the potential. The Confederates did.
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It's also 45 square miles in a country with 42,426
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OddObserver posted:Does the lease have an expiration date? The US considers their yearly payment to the Republic of Cuba (an entity which no longer exists) satisfies the lease in perpetuity, something the Cuban government has disagreed with since 1959.
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Majorian posted:I don't think "killing people in other countries" is a workable definition for the phrase "active invasion." Are drone strikes invasions, too? What about espionage, if it leads to deaths? More formally I'd say the situation with the LNR/DPR is a slow-bleeding active conflict, since flagged Russian forces adhere to the Minsk ceasefire but Ukraine and the People's Militias violate it all the time, and whenever the latter receive a "sudden surge in volunteers" there's good reason to believe it's out-of-uniform Russian regulars. With how static the lines are you're free to call it an occupation, but calling it just an insurrection is a bit disingenuous since Russia had to come in and save the separatists after their hybrid warfare strategy with them failed.
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Despera posted:It's also 45 square miles in a country with 42,426 It was the country's most important Atlantic facing harbor. you can't pretend it doesn't matter
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Conspiratiorist posted:More formally I'd say the situation with the LNR/DPR is a slow-bleeding active conflict, since flagged Russian forces adhere to the Minsk ceasefire but Ukraine and the People's Militias violate it all the time, and whenever the latter receive a "sudden surge in volunteers" there's good reason to believe it's out-of-uniform Russian regulars. All right, but the point is, that's not usually what people are envisioning when they talk about Russia actively invading Ukraine. It's certainly not the picture that the Atlantic Council has been painting: https://twitter.com/AtlanticCouncil/status/1484895629000298499
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Who cares what some twitter nobody with 28 likes thinks about the conflict?
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paul_soccer12 posted:It was the country's most important Atlantic facing harbor. you can't pretend it doesn't matter Article 6
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Yeah so unless something doesn't happen this week, today's troop backpedal is a feint towards the western media before a swift invasion commences.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Who cares what some twitter nobody with 28 likes thinks about the conflict? I mean, it would be nice if the answer was "nobody," but... In the meantime, Melinda Haring, she of the infamous "Putin will inevitably attack this weekend, no wait, tomorrow, no wait, the 16th..." tweets, is moving the goalposts at record speed and with a record level of shamelessness: https://twitter.com/melindaharing/status/1493565970375401472 quote:Forget mud and tanks. It’s time to talk about propaganda, panic, and pressure. Western governments should carefully calculate the second-order effects of information they publicly release with an eye to preventing panic. They should also take what measures they can to protect the Ukrainian economy. Finally, they should work with social media companies to tamp down the storms of misinformation and disinformation that are so easily kicked up in a crisis. Again, this is the Deputy Director for Eurasia at the Atlantic Council who for the last two weeks has been insisting that Russian tanks and planes would be reducing Kyiv to rubble any day now.
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The Atlantic Council is a fairly influential NGO..I wouldn't call them a no-name Twitter random
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