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That speaks to me. I recently made the very hard (for me) decision to stay in this god awful city for a bit longer instead of buying a cabin out on some hill. The cost of the commute, fuel and wear and tear, would about equal my current rent.
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Blackhawk posted:I remember a time when there was a lot of publicity about not using your phone while driving, and a lot of talk about police enforcement of that. But somewhere in the last decade that's gone completely silent and it's clear that nobody gives a poo poo about it anymore, everyone's doing it and nobody's going to do anything about it. Today at one set of traffic lights two changes in a row the car at the front of the queue missed the lights change by at least 5 seconds, almost certainly because they were playing with their phone and not paying attention. It's insane how many people I see weaving all over the road or randomly slowing down/speeding up because they're trying to reply to a message or something, absolute psycopaths. over here they doubled the penalties, so it's six points on your licence (12=ban) and a fine if you're even touching the phone while driving. instant loss of licence if you got it in the last two years. result? people still constantly loving with their phones while driving. they could probably make the penalty a roadside summary execution and you'd still see people weaving in their lane while looking at their lap.
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Horace posted:they could probably make the penalty a roadside summary execution and you'd still see people weaving in their lane while looking at their lap. We set up nationwide transit infrastructure that requires each citizen to operate their own vehicles at high speeds, then gave each of them a pocket-sized skinner box that constantly calls for their attention and rewards them with dopamine hits for looking. Let's watch what happens next!
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Georgia outlawed cellphones while driving (unless you have a hands-free setup), but now they're trying to re-legalize phones when you're stopped at a red light.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Georgia outlawed cellphones while driving (unless you have a hands-free setup), but now they're trying to re-legalize phones when you're stopped at a red light. so brave, bless u car brains
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Georgia outlawed cellphones while driving (unless you have a hands-free setup), but now they're trying to re-legalize phones when you're stopped at a red light.
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Coming home on the interstate, there’s a big crash being cleaned up on the other direction of traffic. Prolly 3-4 cars. We’re moving smoothly until I see some dumbass slam his brakes to rubberneck! Almost caused another 4 crashes! I loving hate cars!
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Car brain is so powerful and so prevalent that I wonder if there is actually more to it than just the societal/psychological components. "New car smell" is VOCs from offgassing of car components. When I had a 20 year old used car, it still kept accumulating a white residue on the inside of the windshield over time, and when I looked that up, was apparently caused by offgassing and "normal". There's a lot of plastics, a lot of resins, a lot of adhesives, paint, gasoline and diesel fumes themselves, refrigerant agents, CO2 and other poo poo. You know car companies skim every cent and don't think twice about using toxic poo poo. I really would be surprised all of Western society hotboxing all that for 2+ hours every day of their lives didn't have some kind of neurologically degenerative effects.
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Feb 16, 2022 03:01
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:Car brain is so powerful and so prevalent that I wonder if there is actually more to it than just the societal/psychological components. Wouldn't be the first time given what we now know about leaded gasoline.
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:Car brain is so powerful and so prevalent that I wonder if there is actually more to it than just the societal/psychological components. I think the most consistently angry I've ever been in my life was a summer internship where I had to car commute (every job since I've been able to bike, transit or WFH). Rarely the drive too work, but driving home in a hot car that had spent the last 8 hours baking in the sun mad me madder than hell.
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:Car brain is so powerful and so prevalent that I wonder if there is actually more to it than just the societal/psychological components. Cars are alive and parasitic and they prey on their users who in turn buy more and demand an increasingly car centric infrastructure which itself feeds back into car addiction
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Feb 16, 2022 03:59
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Milo and POTUS posted:Cars are alive and parasitic and they prey on their users who in turn buy more and demand an increasingly car centric infrastructure which itself feeds back into car addiction 
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What if people just like driving their cars I mean what if people enjoy driving a car just like riding a bicycle, but different
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:What if people just like driving their cars that's what re-education is for
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:What if people just like driving their cars What if someone just enjoys machine gunning orphans?
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Private tracks are a thing!
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Cugel the Clever posted:Private tracks are a thing! Not available to the vast majority of humans
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Not available to the vast majority of humans
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Not available to the vast majority of humans How? Drive there
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:What if people just like driving their cars 
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Not available to the vast majority of humans you can't always get what you want
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Not available to the vast majority of humans what about go-karts
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Also bumper cars.
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In the post-transit future, we'll all live and work at the same place. There will be no service jobs, except for delivery drivers. No one will ever see each other face to face.
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Feb 16, 2022 05:21
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:In the post-transit future, we'll all live and work at the same place. There will be no service jobs, except for delivery drivers. No one will ever see each other face to face. 
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Careful, you're going to trigger the snowflakes
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 THIS MODEL DOES ESPECIALLY WELL IN TRAFFIC JAMS
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:What if people just like driving their cars Sure, let em drive their cars then. The first step to getting rid of cars is not taking them away, but giving people a choice. Once there are sufficient viable alternatives a large number of people will abandon the car lifestyle. I went through the first 15 years of my adult life as a car enthusiast and was flipping volvos as a side hustle. As soon as I moved to a city with viable alternatives the cars were gone in months. Part of providing viable alternatives is to ensure infrastructure and right of way is shared by all modes of transportation. This necessarily requires the reduction and scaling down of car infrastructure. As cars loose their preferential status their externalized costs begin to come due. Costs for parking, road maintenance and roadside emergency services become part of the price of registering a car. The utility is reconsidered. But first, we need a choice. Viable alternatives. I grew up in a town where even the lowest wage earners owned a car. There was no other way to work. You interview at McDonalds and they ask you if you have a car. In a family where food is scarce the car always eats first. Even if you could get to work without a car you certainly couldn't get to your friends house across town. Making cars significantly more expensive would be incredibly painful for folks who live in these areas. In fact cars are becoming more expensive now and that is taking people put of the workforce. So, first we need viable alternatives. There's no point in taking away cars if we are not going to build communities in a way that you can get places by walking, biking, bussing, training, streetcaring, or whatever. And then we can decide on what to do about people who just like to drive depending on weather they are still a nuisance or not.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:What if people just like driving their cars people who say 'they like to go for a drive to relax' and clear their brains are loving certified psychos there is absolutely zero enjoyment from driving other than knowing at any second you can run over and murder some children and get away with it, or knowing you can end your life with a flip of an arm
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Xaris posted:people who say 'they like to go for a drive to relax' and clear their brains are loving certified psychos Cars are designed to isolate people. It should be no surprise that they can serve as a way to clear one's head.
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Xaris posted:people who say 'they like to go for a drive to relax' and clear their brains are loving certified psychos Naw, there's a lot of fun in driving out in the country and exploring, or just getting some time alone. Driving in traffic is a chore though.
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makes perfect sense that someone wants to drive to clear their head because walking to clear your head is a non-starter in car world. Golly im having such a hard time relaxing while I play a mortal game of frogger every 200 feet
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CSPAM: "There is nothing remotely enjoyable about driving" Also CSPAM: Ten trillion posts about a game where you drive trucks around Siberia
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Cat Puke posted:Wouldn't be the first time given what we now know about leaded gasoline. The story of the guy who invented that stuff is a hoot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr.
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PeterCat posted:Naw, there's a lot of fun in driving out in the country and exploring, or just getting some time alone. it's almost entirely the "time alone." practically nobody is "exploring" in their car, that's truck commercial fantasy
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:What if people just like driving their cars oh for sure, except that people - statistically speaking - don't actually like doing the kind of driving that people actually have to do in real life. sitting in traffic makes people miserable. they hate it. it's connected to higher blood pressure and weight gain and anxiety, and the actual experience of driving sucks so much loving rear end that we have the term 'road rage' for when it tips someone over the edge into homicidal rage, which happens all the time. people on trains or on foot or on bikes don't do this poo poo to strangers at anywhere near the same rate, this constant use of lethal force against someone who maybe slightly inconvenienced you for a second is pretty much exclusive to cars. for every person who's living out a car commercial, happily driving along an empty mountain road or something, there are a hundred people stuck in stop and go traffic steadily getting angrier and angrier.
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Jokerpilled Drudge posted:makes perfect sense that someone wants to drive to clear their head because walking to clear your head is a non-starter in car world. Golly im having such a hard time relaxing while I play a mortal game of frogger every 200 feet Yeah there isn't really an alternative for lots of people. All of our paths are for cars. The sidewalks we do have are right up against busy roads. They aren't pleasant.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:What if people just like driving their cars take a drive out into the countryside, go to a racetrack and go vroom vroom, don't make people dependent on them in cities and cut space for pedestrians and everyone else to accomodate them
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can you imagine https://twitter.com/parisyimby/status/1493700667856330752?s=20&t=WnTuqgiuM-bXMNStlvhQUg
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mila kunis posted:take a drive out into the countryside, go to a racetrack and go vroom vroom, don't make people dependent on them in cities and cut space for pedestrians and everyone else to accomodate them Yeah, society shouldn’t be built around someone’s hobby. Either way, highways will likely always exist since they are needed to supplement rail routes even in countries with very developed rail systems. Just put punishing tolls of them and if they want to drive they can pay for it. Cities really don’t need private cars, and they only exist as a source or emotional validation. (Also, the US is forced to rely on cars because it’s infrastructure is embarrassing.)
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