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Marx is like crack cocaine, everybody thinks they know everything about it from popular media but once they actually try it they realize it's awesome!
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Setting aside the entire media ecosystem that thrives on hot takes to either gain approval and outrage to drive engagement, a lot of this poo poo is just reading class as aesthetics because for most people class is now a moral category. You see it in the ways people try to constantly redefine class along racial or education lines ('white working class' does the work for commentators trying to hew class in either of those directions both liberal and conservative) rather than one's relation to production. That definition creates an otherwise huge group of people with a common interest. Driving a F150, talking with a certain affectation, and openly calling for Trudeau's head is somehow authentic working class because it's impossible for working class people to support Trudeau, I guess? Bore down into any of this and you can see it's complete nonsense.
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Dreylad posted:Setting aside the entire media ecosystem that thrives on hot takes to either gain approval and outrage to drive engagement, a lot of this poo poo is just reading class as aesthetics because for most people class is now a moral category. You see it in the ways people try to constantly redefine class along racial or education lines ('white working class' does the work for commentators trying to hew class in either of those directions both liberal and conservative) rather than one's relation to production. That definition creates an otherwise huge group of people with a common interest. Driving a F150, talking with a certain affectation, and openly calling for Trudeau's head is somehow authentic working class because it's impossible for working class people to support Trudeau, I guess? Bore down into any of this and you can see it's complete nonsense. Could you maybe address how it’s regionally coded too? CATO is all rah rah western working class Ontario snobs, despite having 3 degrees and it makes no loving sense to me at all.
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MasterSitsu posted:https://twitter.com/BlockbusterPlus/status/1493770460454129664?s=20&t=gRjnix7reDSzLpRLv42t8w lol if they had blockaded the border on the USA side it would have lasted maybe two days before the rubber bullets would start slamming into skulls
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Frosted Flake posted:Could you maybe address how it’s regionally coded too? CATO is all rah rah western working class Ontario snobs, despite having 3 degrees and it makes no loving sense to me at all. is she alberta born and bred? because I see that sorta poo poo a lot with my fellow expats even when they’re like executives
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Frosted Flake posted:Could you maybe address how it’s regionally coded too? CATO is all rah rah western working class Ontario snobs, despite having 3 degrees and it makes no loving sense to me at all. That's a difficult one to unwind, mainly because it probably means going back as far the Family Compact and looking at how Canada has been ruled by various families over the past two centuries, sometimes cooperating, sometimes in competition with each other. And frankly I don't have a ton of knowledge about every part of Canada and the particular ways class relations has specifically developed. I mean there absolutely was a Laurentian consensus/elite the same way the United States has had a coastal elite. All the post-secondary education institutions were in Ontario and Quebec (and the Maritimes), most of the population is there, as is most of the manufacturing, and Canada's political leaders. The battle over provincial control over natural resources that is best known in Trudeau Senior's National Energy Program absolutely antgaonized the west, but the Maritimes have felt it too with the fisheries collapse in the 90s, the slow regulation of lumber in BC and elsewhere. Or go back to the SoCreds and their attempts to address problems facing Prairie farmers Anywhere the feds get involved you're going to antagonize that relationship between metropole and periphery. I'm just not sure it really applies anymore. Half the conservative politicians who play to western alienation are born in Ontario and at least partially educated there. It's just window dressing to tap sometimes understandable resentment towards the uneasy balance of power we have between the federal government and the provinces. Sorry this analysis is sort of half-formed because it's a tough question! It's worth talking about though, for sure.
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Cold on a Cob posted:lol if they had blockaded the border on the USA side it would have lasted maybe two days before the rubber bullets would start slamming into skulls
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Atrocious Joe posted:https://twitter.com/couldovfooledme/status/1493596438797987850?s=20&t=S6uTeGXR8vIHbb9zbgxdXg what do they mean they can’t downsize? gently caress I hate boomers
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we used all our equity to take cruises and now we cant ever afford to move into anything but a grave
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ahh, so we don’t actually own our house we are just holding it for the bank
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RBC posted:we used all our equity to take cruises and now we cant ever afford to move into anything but a grave its this
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everyone my father-in-law knows is insane debt. HELOCs, barely making CC debt minimum payments, but I guess it doesn't matter if you just keep living your life the exact same way you have. the economy depends on it.
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Cold on a Cob posted:is she alberta born and bred? because I see that sorta poo poo a lot with my fellow expats even when they’re like executives Northern AB, yeah. Went to elite universities after undergrad, and has spent more time in London, DC and Ottawa than Alberta any time in the past 10 years. That’s what makes it so weird! I shouldn’t talk about her too much online but she orders flannels from some boutique in Calgary. I genuinely don’t understand this “working class” thing. Everybody in her family of our generation owns an acreage, which I understand to be a plot of unproductive farmland. Those can’t be cheap either! A lot of the women don’t seem to work. It doesn’t exactly scream downtrodden by Ontario fatcats, you know? Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 04:31 on Feb 16, 2022 |
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Dreylad posted:everyone my father-in-law knows is insane debt. HELOCs, barely making CC debt minimum payments, but I guess it doesn't matter if you just keep living your life the exact same way you have. the economy depends on it. I used to have this talk with my very materialistic ex, who would get all pouty about people going on ~glamorous vacations~ and ~living their best life~ on Instagram and racking her brain on how they could possibly afford it and why can't she and blah blah blah. The answer, of course, is incredibly over-extended credit. No thanks!
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Frosted Flake posted:Northern AB, yeah. either horseshoe theory is real or your wife has a point and canadian elites are universally a bunch of morons e: by which I mean the politicians, and captains of industry, not trying to insult your partner
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Frosted Flake posted:Northern AB, yeah. I guess it comes down to the fact that there's someone always higher up the food chain. Local elites begrudge metropolitan elites even though they share the same schools, the same culture, the same backgrounds. But they own different modes of production I guess? Not sure.
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I put it in the wrong thread but boy if you ever want to piss off boomers especially in the GTA and Vancouver areas tell them the value of their houses when they bought them are now the down payments we need to get into the door Or that the quality of what's on offer dropped through the floor. From single family dwellings to papier mâché condos where you hope your neighbors don't gently caress too loud
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infernal machines posted:on the subject of funding quote:Oh and those unredacted (I did the redaction above) photos of gov issued IDs? The hacker included the script they used to download them all using curl, over Tor, without any authentication. I've got the same combination on my luggage
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Frosted Flake posted:Northern AB, yeah. speaking of family i had a long back and forth with one of my brothers about the blockades and occupation. complete opposite of CATO wife. he's a truck driver born and raised in alberta, not an owner operator, and not taking part but has friends that are in ottawa. most of what he said, we've heard it all before. the tl;dr is he's mad at trudeau, thinks the pm abandoned the country, and doesn't want to get vaccinated. says he shouldn't be treated like a second class citizen for his choice. says the protesters have been peaceful and his friends there told him this. interestingly, he knows the leaders are idiots and the mou won't happen. also thinks people like pat king are nuts but says everyone gets to have an opinion completely sidestepped or ignored most of my objections; it all seems to boil down to "his rights" and "gently caress trudeau" vOv bleh.
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Dreylad posted:I guess it comes down to the fact that there's someone always higher up the food chain. Local elites begrudge metropolitan elites even though they share the same schools, the same culture, the same backgrounds. But they own different modes of production I guess? Not sure. Local elites begrudge the metropole because they're further away from the center of power. Their position is is also more precarious because if the local conditions change and suddenly their region becomes less valuable, then they will lose out on wealth and power even if their position within the local society remains the same. Kind of like what's happening with Alberta for example. No matter how much wealth the natural resources might have provided, they are still at the mercy of the market that decides how much value those resources have. It's safe to say that everyone has the same mode of production now, the capitalist mode of production. The capitalists still compete with each other, because that's the nature of capitalism, along with the tendency to concentrate. But some capitalists will group together to preserve their status when threatened by other capitalists from say a different nation, or province, or whatever. Edit: I could be completely wrong though since I just got this idea from listening to an episode of trueanon https://soundcloud.com/trueanonpod/shoot-me-in-st-louis lol, uh you can skip to like 8 minutes where it starts. Lostconfused has issued a correction as of 05:57 on Feb 16, 2022 |
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:what do they mean they can’t downsize? It's not hard to get a decent house if you're willing to stretch your budget a bit, see: https://mobile.twitter.com/hollykmichels/status/1493398987474276352
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Could we get a bot to repost those articles every time there's an interest rate hike?
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MasterSitsu posted:https://twitter.com/BlockbusterPlus/status/1493770460454129664?s=20&t=gRjnix7reDSzLpRLv42t8w Is this like socialism with Chinese characteristics? Tyranny with Canadian characteristics?
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Cold on a Cob posted:lol if they had blockaded the border on the USA side it would have lasted maybe two days before the rubber bullets would start slamming into skulls lol nah our lovely fash cops would be doing the same thing your lovely fash cops are doing
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Jon Carbuncle posted:lol nah our lovely fash cops would be doing the same thing your lovely fash cops are doing idk, maybe. guess we might be finding out soon enough 
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ilmucche posted:Is this like socialism with Chinese characteristics? Tyranny with Canadian characteristics? maple flavoured tyranny
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vyelkin posted:here's a good article I hadn't seen before that pretty systematically dismantles the idea that the "trucker" protest is a working-class movement: https://jacobinmag.com/2022/02/canada-freedom-convoy-conservative-right-wing-anti-worker-anti-vaccine it's pretty easy to see this isn't a "trucker" protest because the majority of people actually driving trucks in Canada are Punjabi. I don't see anyone but white folk at these protests https://www.thecanadianbazaar.com/how-punjabis-came-to-dominate-trucking-industry-in-canada/
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