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laura, what's your username https://twitter.com/UrbanistOrg/status/1493975456667766787?s=20&t=VqWMD4wQqDp4172uiFOa4A
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Fitzy Fitz posted:can you imagine Live in a certain part of South Philly. There's nothing like being poor and cold and hungry but still able to stroll down the corner and purchase a hot, crusty, freshly baked buttered roll with the few shabby coins you have rolling around in your pocket.
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Leroy Diplowski posted:The first step to getting rid of cars is not taking them away, but giving people a choice. Once there are sufficient viable alternatives a large number of people will abandon the car lifestyle. As soon as I moved to a city with viable alternatives the cars were gone in months. This isn't just about imposing both a carrot and stick to get people out of cars, it's just fundamentally not viable to advance one lifestyle without making the other one effectively impossible.
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the obvious solution is to mandate it so that there's a one in fifty chance that your car will explode and kill you every time you turn it on
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Live in a certain part of South Philly. Cugel the Clever posted:To quibble with this framing a bit: building communities in a way that you can get places by walking, biking, bussing, training, streetcaring, or whatever is very much interpreted by the broader public as taking cars away and, in a lot of ways, it is. There are solidly left-wing folk who, like a lot of us, have been steeped in car-brain their entire lives and will argue vehemently against a bike or bus lane taking away a car lane or parking, with the complaint that the former cater to gentrifying elites while the latter are absolute necessities for working class drivers. It becomes a chicken or egg problem, where you can't build out alternatives without reining in driver privilege and you can't present drivers with sufficiently fleshed out alternatives without having first built them out. mystes has issued a correction as of 17:42 on Feb 16, 2022 |
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In the US you can't talk about transportation options without talking about how we build housing. People in the US balk at transportation alternatives because they take feel entitled to live wherever they want. "I can't bike or take the bus because I live too far from my job and my kids' school." Yeah, you made an unsustainable lifestyle decision, and we shouldn't continue subsidizing that.
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Cugel the Clever posted:There are solidly left-wing folk who, like a lot of us, have been steeped in car-brain their entire lives and will argue vehemently against a bike or bus lane taking away a car lane or parking, with the complaint that the former cater to gentrifying elites while the latter are absolute necessities for working class drivers. We call these people wreckers.
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"I would love to take the bus, but I live in a subdivision 30 minutes past the farthest-reaching bus line. It just wouldn't be practical to run buses out here. Some people have to drive."
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Fitzy Fitz posted:In the US you can't talk about transportation options without talking about how we build housing. People in the US balk at transportation alternatives because they take feel entitled to live wherever they want. "I can't bike or take the bus because I live too far from my job and my kids' school." Yeah, you made an unsustainable lifestyle decision, and we shouldn't continue subsidizing that. And it's kind of true that when places in the US do try to build cycling infrastructure it has historically been mainly for wealthier people, so some people who are focused mainly on inequality may distrust cyclist infrastructure implicitly. mystes has issued a correction as of 17:47 on Feb 16, 2022 |
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mystes posted:I guess the problem is if you don't fix housing first, you can end up effectively loving over lower income people. Like roads obviously shouldn't be the main mechanism of wealth redistribution but you have to be somewhat conscious of that possibility. Obviously you need to lower the price of housing in cities to make up for it but that's also impossible in the US. Yeah the housing shortage is directly contributing to auto dependency because affordable housing is too far away from cites and jobs.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:laura, what's your username Sometimes wonder why people online get so hostile to the idea of public transportation. Thank you for reminding me that these people watch fox news 24/7 365.
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The other problem is I guess you could say it's fine for people who really want to live further out to do that if they really pay for the roads and other infrastructure, but essentially you have to intentionally 1) build a shitton more housing to the point where you actually massively reduce the price of housing because if you DON'T lower the price people won't be able to afford it, and 2) make living in suburbs much harder in ways that will probably also harm house prices there And americans have all their loving wealth tied up in houses so what they actually want is to build more roads so everyone commutes further so the lovely commute from the house they own will be desirable in comparison
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mystes posted:It sucks that legit bakeries don't exist almost anywhere in the US anymore. Like there may be places selling cakes or something, but nowhere selling bread except the supermarket. People who live in the suburbs public transportation as subsidizing transport for poor people and won't get a job and then a buy car. This is of course insane but it is the world we live in..
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Fitzy Fitz posted:In the US you can't talk about transportation options without talking about how we build housing. People in the US balk at transportation alternatives because they take feel entitled to live wherever they want. "I can't bike or take the bus because I live too far from my job and my kids' school." Yeah, you made an unsustainable lifestyle decision, and we shouldn't continue subsidizing that. Housing and transit are unfortunately very tired up in one another.
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There is a nice little bakery near me, but it's a 20-minute walk, so I don't walk there much. However there's a Mexican restaurant 8 minutes from my house, so I do eat a lot of tacos.
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PeterCat posted:People who live in the suburbs public transportation as subsidizing transport for poor people and won't get a job and then a buy car.
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You can enjoy driving all you want, but the infrastructure and over use of automobiles is counter productive to that enjoyment, and isn't cost effective, beyond ignoring the Environmental effects. Hello, from Los Angeles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scCKkewROMc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHLKYB5AF8I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQI9ntBPxU4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5XvBozj4-A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8Dt_L-8Bbc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAPZxRPC5BA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y11DaZd0LAc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfFGi8tBbVE https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTnmf9fGk53uTxb4lL8EUuQ
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mazzi Chart Czar posted:You can enjoy driving all you want, but the infrastructure and over use of automobiles is counter productive to that enjoyment, and isn't cost effective, beyond ignoring the Environmental effects. Thanks for reminding me of the worst commutes of my life
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Mayor Dave posted:Thanks for reminding me of the worst commutes of my life Did you ever get into the habit where you only talk in time? I was talking about a guy online, and he was surprised how I never talk about distance when driving. Like when I talk about traveling, space doesn't really exist, because traffic warps how long it takes to travel through space. So the only thing that matters is time. Like it takes about 40 minutes to get to my friends house by freeway, or an hour, twenty to get there by street, during mid day, while at night it's about 20 minutes by freeway and 40 minutes by street. If you ask me "how far away is something." I would answer, "like 30 minutes or whatever."
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mazzi Chart Czar posted:Did you ever get into the habit where you only talk in time? time is the only valid way of measuring distance in los angeles, where trips of 5 miles can take an hour one way but 10 minutes on the way back, at this point i'm pretty sure no one in LA even knows the actual distance between places
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mystes posted:The other problem is I guess you could say it's fine for people who really want to live further out to do that if they really pay for the roads and other infrastructure, but essentially you have to intentionally 1) build a shitton more housing to the point where you actually massively reduce the price of housing because if you DON'T lower the price people won't be able to afford it, and 2) make living in suburbs much harder in ways that will probably also harm house prices there Have you considered that anything done to lower the price of housing will financially hurt a shitload of people, especially rich people, and would thus be poison to any politician given they all rely on 'donations' and capital controls the media, which controls the ability for politicians to get re-elected? Every time I hear a politician talking about making housing more affordable it pisses me off so much because I know they have every incentive to SAY that they're going to do something but zero incentive to actually do it. It would take probably a halving of house prices where I live to make them even close to affordable for the average worker my age looking to buy their first house, can you imagine how hosed a politician would be if they made the average house price halve? The people that it benefits are poor and thus don't matter, the people that it hurts are rich and thus matter a shitload. Like all things the root cause is capitalism, and until that goes away it's hard to see how any positive change on a large scale is possible. That's not to say that positive change on a small/local scale isn't possible, but it would be despite the system.
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docbeard posted:CSPAM: "There is nothing remotely enjoyable about driving" sounds like there's something enjoyable about gaming
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get a load of this cager going insane at the prospect of being delayed for anywhere up to 15 minutes: https://www.reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars/comments/styxzv/asshat_in_semi/
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Sphyre posted:get a load of this cager going insane at the prospect of being delayed for anywhere up to 15 minutes: loving owned
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holy gently caress this is absolutely horrific video https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2022/02/15/see-it-horrifying-crash-at-notorious-queens-intersection-puts-city-dot-on-notice-again/
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Sphyre posted:get a load of this cager going insane at the prospect of being delayed for anywhere up to 15 minutes: exit and pullover, post on something awful for five minutes, start and get back on the road
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Sphyre posted:get a load of this cager going insane at the prospect of being delayed for anywhere up to 15 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIaTMV_IBQc Here is the context that just makes them both look even dumber. If another driver tries to run you off the road, you don't have to continue road battling them forever like this. Your car is capable of slowing down, stopping, and even turning onto other roads.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIaTMV_IBQc it makes it even funnier because apparently that semi was hauling rear end and then suddenly decided to slow down just to gently caress with this lady for like 15 minutes or whatever. bet you that trucker was laughing his rear end off in the cab
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I hate that bike ways are held up because of public car parks Our bikeways have counters on them and get 500-1000 people a day( the better connected ones get significantly more riders , wow what a surprise!) And that for the sake of 20-50 car parks on land that is publicly owned, 500-1000 people a day get inconvenienced
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Cugel the Clever posted:To quibble with this framing a bit: building communities in a way that you can get places by walking, biking, bussing, training, streetcaring, or whatever is very much interpreted by the broader public as taking cars away and, in a lot of ways, it is. There are solidly left-wing folk who, like a lot of us, have been steeped in car-brain their entire lives and will argue vehemently against a bike or bus lane taking away a car lane or parking, with the complaint that the former cater to gentrifying elites while the latter are absolute necessities for working class drivers. It becomes a chicken or egg problem, where you can't build out alternatives without reining in driver privilege and you can't present drivers with sufficiently fleshed out alternatives without having first built them out. Yep, and that's why I think the framing of "give us a choice!" Is the only way to move forward. The car brained public is going to fight tooth and claw regardless but demanding freedom of choice at least is something that resonates with a large portion of the population. The city that i live in is on the cusp of doing some really good redevelopment and "we just want a choice" is one of the more effective lines I have been using on naysayers.
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Sovcit thinking But also with that weird sense of ownership that pushes at the bounds of explicitly legal
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