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Twelve by Pies posted:When I was a kid in history class they taught us that the reason the electoral college was created was that the other colonies were worried that Virginia (being the largest colony at the time) would effectively control the country so they used the college to ensure that the other states could "overrule" it in a sense, if need be. I went to school in Virginia so was that just another bit of rewriting history to make things look less racist? Also the compromise let them count their slaves. Remember how I did they had the same free population as Pennsylvania? Well that's not fighting the 30% of Virginians who are slaves, compared to Pennsylvania's 0.6% IE: Virgina only had the biggest population of you count the slaves HootTheOwl fucked around with this message at 13:09 on Feb 10, 2022 |
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It does more than round them off. It also counts senators, which heavily impacts the weighting of small states. Cali has 54x the population of Alaska, but less than 20x EC votes
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"Worth 50 pounds"? That's hosed up, if you go on an extreme diet you don't get to vote?
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Harold Fjord posted:It does more than round them off. It also counts senators, which heavily impacts the weighting of small states. Cali has 54x the population of Alaska, but less than 20x EC votes Cribbing from a thread I wrote on the problems of the Electoral College- 1. Referendum paradox. Should the result be decided by a majority of the people, or by a majority of votes in a majority of states? 2. The winner-take-all system kinda-sorta "disenfranchises" minority positions; 35% of CA voted Trump, but they get no representation. 3. The FPTP system discourages 3rd parties due to vote splitting and the spoiler effect. 4. The way electoral votes are apportioned gives disproportionate weight to low-population states; again, WY has fewer people than one district in CA, but still gets 3 EVs. 5. The fact that many states are called in advance for one or the other party reduces the utility of campaigning there; how many times did either candidate hold a campaign rally in Kansas or California, compared to Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania? https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/campaign-events-2016 6. I do not have the figures to hand, but the combination of weighting rural states and rural states leaning heavily GOP creates an inherent advantage for the Republicans under the EC, to the extent that (IIRC) a Democrat needs to win the popular vote 55-45 to win the EC. 7. Point 4 is often justified on the grounds that small, "rural" states need special protection against Presidential candidates winning California by promising the "Pillage Wyoming To Feed California" Act. However, a) "Rural" states usually have a majority of their employment in the same service industries as more urban states, b) the Electoral College devalues rural interests in large states, giving farmers in Yakima and California's Central Valley less weight than a hotel owner in Cheyenne, and c) for some mysterious reason this justification only extends to protecting red states, but not LGBT+ people, women, or PoC.
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GoutPatrol posted:
quote:African Americans in the state could vote if they met the residency and property requirements. In 1797, the New Jersey government required voters to be free inhabitants. so the african american property requirements were "dont be property"
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In New Jersey women and African Americans were allowed to vote until 1807.
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darthbob88 posted:Wyoming has fewer people than one Congressional district in California, but still gets 3 electoral votes. Also the small states are already protected by the Senate being apportioned 2 seats regardless of size The EC is just adding advantage to an already unfair system
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This reminded me that the morning right wing guy here was talking about how trucker protests may impact the Super Bowl and the State of the Union address, because truckers might purposely block roads with their trucks to prevent people from going to these places. And he went "Wait hold on, I thought blocking roads was good, remember how during the racial justice protests last year all those people would block highways? But now that it's right wingers doing it, suddenly it's bad?"
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Over the weekend a group of men used accelerants to set a fire in the lobby of an apartment building after taping the handles to the front door shut and then left through a side door, like 4-5 nights ago. It was a stupid plan by stupid motherfuckers on a bunch of levels but it was an honest attempt to Triangle Shirtwaist a bunch of sleeping households.
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LonsomeSon posted:Over the weekend a group of men used accelerants to set a fire in the lobby of an apartment building after taping the handles to the front door shut and then left through a side door, like 4-5 nights ago. They also strong-armed a homeless shelter into giving them food, which isn't as terrifying as arson, but is a unique kind of scummy I can't recall hearing about ever before in my life.
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It’s also nowhere near 100k trucks.
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BiggerBoat posted:https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-crack-pipes-racial-equity/ Better, they're Nixon Phones ! He signed the first bill establishing the Lifeline system. Obama did "oversee" the first smartphones given out under the program, but those are literally the cheapest Android phones that they can get in volume. Still, without a phone, email, and Internet access, you can't get a job today. It's fund those or anyone who falls of the bottom of the economic ladder is an unperson for life.
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Dr Christmas posted:They also strong-armed a homeless shelter into giving them food, which isn't as terrifying as arson, but is a unique kind of scummy I can't recall hearing about ever before in my life. i know lmao it fucken rules that people with the same kind of brain that i have could do this and think of themselves the whole time as heroic freedom fighters in their crusade to kill and permanently disable people but especially kids on the same scale as mother loving polio
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mllaneza posted:an unperson for life. If you want to know the intended function of a system, look at the (proposed in this case) effects it has in the world.
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mllaneza posted:Better, they're Nixon Phones ! He signed the first bill establishing the Lifeline system. Obama did "oversee" the first smartphones given out under the program, but those are literally the cheapest Android phones that they can get in volume. Still, without a phone, email, and Internet access, you can't get a job today. It's fund those or anyone who falls of the bottom of the economic ladder is an unperson for life. given how it seems the USPS is/might be doing some basic banking services, maybe they should also off a barebones po box for a mailing address and a barebones email.
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PhazonLink posted:given how it seems the USPS is/might be doing some basic banking services, maybe they should also off a barebones po box for a mailing address and a barebones email. *gigantic, minute-long intake of breath* BUT THAT'S SOCIALISM!! WHAT ARE YOU, SOME KIND OF COMMIE *SLUR*?!
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Twelve by Pies posted:This reminded me that the morning right wing guy here was talking about how trucker protests may impact the Super Bowl and the State of the Union address, because truckers might purposely block roads with their trucks to prevent people from going to these places. And he went "Wait hold on, I thought blocking roads was good, remember how during the racial justice protests last year all those people would block highways? But now that it's right wingers doing it, suddenly it's bad?" gently caress, I hope they they to interfere with the Superbowl. It's a NSSE, so they'd probably catch federal charges.
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Harold Fjord posted:It does more than round them off. It also counts senators, which heavily impacts the weighting of small states. Cali has 54x the population of Alaska, but less than 20x EC votes California though has roughly 12% of the population and 10% of the EC voting power. It's a loss of about 1/6th. Sure wyoming gets a huge benefit, but really the EC has only overrulled the popular vote a handful of times. (and two of those, what, five? times were in the last 20 years?) This is more of a result of the Apportionment Act which capped the size of congress than it is an intentional quirk of the EC.
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The EC is really an interesting component of the US federal system. I wouldn't miss it if it were abolished (same with the Senate, honestly), but fixing the way electors are awarded (and increasing the size of the House) would get it back pretty close to the way it's "supposed" to work. The decision to keep/abolish it ultimately comes down to "How important are states, actually?" In most other countries, states don't really have that much autonomy (that I'm aware of; maybe I'm way off). If we want to keep individual states as "laboratories of democracy" or whatever, then it makes sense for the states themselves as entities to also have a say in federal elections. If, as a country, we want the states to have more uniformity in laws, then it doesn't really make sense to divide up elections by state. ("Red states" and "blue states" would just be "red areas" and "blue areas" like we have now within states.) If you take out the EC (and the Senate, I guess) and states in general don't matter, you should probably just redraw house districts to ignore state borders. Individual interests don't really follow state lines; two people on opposite sides of say, the Pennsylvania/Ohio border have more in common than that Pennsylvanian and someone in central Pennsylvania. Northern Virginia is more like the rest of the DC area and nothing at all like southern or western Virginia. (This would also go very well with dramatically increasing the size of the House. For example, if the House of Representatives had the same number of seats per person as the UK's House of Commons, it would have over 3000 seats. Canada's ratio is surprisingly close to the same.)
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fortunately we will never have to worry about how the power structure could be reformed to restore agency to the population, as its purpose is specifically to not do that
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Twelve by Pies posted:This reminded me that the morning right wing guy here was talking about how trucker protests may impact the Super Bowl and the State of the Union address, because truckers might purposely block roads with their trucks to prevent people from going to these places. And he went "Wait hold on, I thought blocking roads was good, remember how during the racial justice protests last year all those people would block highways? But now that it's right wingers doing it, suddenly it's bad?" Yes, because I like it when people campaign for things that I agree with, and I don't like it when people campaign for things I think are bad. This is not hypocrisy, it's how liking things works!
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You liberals and leftists are hypocritical in this way and that is bad. I, on the other hand, am hypocritical in the exact opposite way and that is good.
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I also remember crowds specifically parting for ambulances to go through, something which would be quite impossible for a poo poo-ton of trucks. Not that their type would try, they probably think ambulances are taking people captive to sissify them with soy vaccines or something
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Brawnfire posted:I also remember crowds specifically parting for ambulances to go through, something which would be quite impossible for a poo poo-ton of trucks. Not that their type would try, they probably think ambulances are taking people captive to sissify them with soy vaccines or something Well how many people die choking on their lungs in a coma at home? I don't trust these "paramedics," "ambulances," and "hospitals."
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Protestors blocked an ambulance bay at a Calgary hospital and harassed hospital staff- https://calgary.citynews.ca/2022/02/04/safety-precautions-sheldon-chumir-protests/ They also threw rocks at an ambulance and shouted racial slurs at one of the paramedics- https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/ambulances-pelted-with-rocks-during-protest-health-workers-patients-face-added-stress-delays These sacks of poo poo don't give a drat about the health and safety of anyone.
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lol remember when NJ Bridgegate was a thing. jesus gently caress, multiple countries need to nail whatever dark money is funding these fucks.
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PhazonLink posted:lol remember when NJ Bridgegate was a thing. i might have some really bad news for you about the probable source of the dark money
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Dr Christmas posted:They also strong-armed a homeless shelter into giving them food, which isn't as terrifying as arson, but is a unique kind of scummy I can't recall hearing about ever before in my life. And beat a bike courier so bad he had to have surgery to save one of his eyes.
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Dr Christmas posted:They also strong-armed a homeless shelter into giving them food, which isn't as terrifying as arson, but is a unique kind of scummy I can't recall hearing about ever before in my life. Makes sense. They've gotta eat. All the local stores aren't getting deliveries, and it's not like these are men with experience in transporting large amounts of supplies from one location to another and access to trucks.
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Mystic Mongol posted:Makes sense. They've gotta eat. All the local stores aren't getting deliveries, and it's not like these are men with experience in transporting large amounts of supplies from one location to another and access to trucks. It was while they were on the move, since they’ve been camped they appear have put together a reasonable supply distribution system, and clearly have steady external funding since they’ve maintained it and haven’t looted any buildings for food.
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My sister who believes that Trump won 410 electoral college results (including California) and that the vaccine is going to kill people is now telling everyone to keep an eye on John Durham since he found out that the Clinton campaign paid a tech firm for information about Trump and that tech firm paid people in the Trump campaign and WH for that information. I think Hillary is about to be locked up and Trump reinstated any day now. Side note: she got really quiet about Arizona after their report came back with nothing.
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Trump promised to lock Hillary up, but didn't do it during his term as president. What does she have to say about that? Why is it a scandal that Hillary hired people to research her political opponents?
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My sister has no idea how opposition research works so yes, she thinks it is the most illegal thing in the world. I believe that when the “Trump did not lock her up” comment is made, she says something along the lines of “he was working on it and those things take time…which is why Biden stole the election.”
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Panfilo posted:https://twitter.com/Not_the_Bee/status/1493685952614653953?t=K2UXxMTSbHk4KkwjbNQcZw&s=19 They seem to forget the churches are Catholic. I thought protestants hated Catholics
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:They seem to forget the churches are Catholic. I thought protestants hated Catholics They do, until they can use them to make common cause against ~LEFTISTS~ and people who think consent is important.
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Golbez posted:If the vaccine kills people, and only compliant sheep take the vaccine, then why is the government - an entity so evil and powerful that it will kill off most of its population - killing off the demographic that's less likely to resist it? Same way me and my Soros buddies totally rigged the 2020 election but forgot to take all the senate and house seats while we were at it.
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disposablewords posted:They do, until they can use them to make common cause against ~LEFTISTS~ and people who think consent is important. It's this. It's sorta like how there's a subset of really loud atheists that are more Islamophobic more than anti religion as a whole.
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