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sebzilla posted:https://twitter.com/AyoCaesar/status/1494249179421499396 Jesus christ. Angela has always tacked pretty closely to the melty wind but I don't see how any context can make that statement good.
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Borrovan posted:jfc Rayner is so loving bad at politics She's always given off the distinct air of someone desperately trying to get in the cool kids club, whatever that might be depending on who she is speaking to.
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OwlFancier posted:She's always given off the distinct air of someone desperately trying to get in the cool kids club, whatever that might be depending on who she is speaking to. Bingo. "Sorry, is that the most controversial thing I've ever said?" is her desperately trying to look cool to Sun readers. As always, if you suspect there's a weakness somewhere, apply pressure and see if it bends. Or in this case, give them an interview with a right wing rag and see how cravenly and pathetically they run their mouth off.
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I think the first time I got the feeling was when she was doing some speech or other about LGBT stuff and the general gist was "I'm dead working class me and that means I'm basically one of you right"
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Jakabite posted:At the end of a long night, obviously, but just feel the need to express that I love you all. From Barry to owly to borrovan to jaeluni, you’ve somehow ended up as my most reliably support network, even if it’s just reading your posts. I know it’s frowned upon but I’d really love to buy you all a pint, or a cuppa, one day. 
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Wasn't she the one people were thinking a few months ago was next for Starmer to purge? And she somehow survived the "Tory Scum" thing... well this is how you do it, I guess. Owen Jones was getting in a to and fro with Phil Proudfoot of the NIP the other day, doing the whole "stay in and fight" thing, and you have to wonder what's in it for him and people doing the same moves at this point. Who's left that's stopping people who are still in thinking "actually, you're all poo poo".
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Feb 17, 2022 12:32
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https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1494250304816177152 LD's planning a coalition with Tories again.
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Feb 17, 2022 12:47
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Why just stop at a Bloody Sunday? We could have a bloody day for every day of the week - Labour's stance on shoot to kill
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oxford_town posted:https://twitter.com/nazirafzal/status/1494268977832415232?s=20&t=vWcvrr5YqrMzxxeIw8olAg Aren't you absolutely not supposed to shoot people wearing suicide vests? TV has taught me there's usually a dead man's switch and a million other ways it could go off.
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stev posted:Aren't you absolutely not supposed to shoot people wearing suicide vests? TV has taught me there's usually a dead man's switch and a million other ways it could go off. I thought that trying to build dead man's switches often ended up with the wannabe terrorists blowing themselves up so it's not actually that common. Can't cite anything as to why I'm under that impression though.
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Feb 17, 2022 13:07
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Did we ever find out if our man on London Bridge had a suicide vest or not?
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Feb 17, 2022 13:14
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"There has never been any problem with shooting first and asking questions later"
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Sorry if this isn't the right place to ask, but I'm kinda confused by the Scottish self-isolation guidance.. I'm self isolating because I had a positive lateral flow test, and I'm feeling fine but still testing positive at day 10 so haven't been able to end isolation early. quote:If you continue to test positive on LFD tests, or choose not to take LFD tests to end self-isolation early, you can return to work and your usual activities on the 11th day after your symptoms started, as long as you feel better and do not have a high temperature. From that, it sounds like on day 11 after the first positive test, assuming I continue to feel fine then I can do normal stuff even if I continue to test positive. Except returning to work and usual activities involves taking a lateral flow test first because I'm gonna be around people, but right now on day 10, it's still positive so it might well be positive tomorrow too. The way it says "if you continue to test positive..." makes it sound like it's ok on day 11 to go to work if you have tested positive, except if I'm still meant to take a lateral flow test if I'm going to be around other people, then a positive result on that would mean I shouldn't be around other people and should start self-isolating again so I'm just not clear on what's actually okay and what's not. If having self-isolated for ten days gives you a get-out-of-jail-free card on day 11, do you just ignore lateral flows that day and start again day 12? Not trying to be a dick or rules lawyer about this, just genuinely confused what's actually 'right' here or if I'm just misunderstanding? 
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stev posted:Aren't you absolutely not supposed to shoot people wearing suicide vests? TV has taught me there's usually a dead man's switch and a million other ways it could go off. I remember reading an Action Force comic from when I was a kid where they showed that the squad had specialist training on how to deal with someone wearing a suicide vest. And amazingly enough it wasn't just "put one right between their eyes." (Basically, access the situation, see if you can talk them down, if not use Taser to prevent them from releasing any dead man switch and spray quick setting foam on hands to stop them being able to use any switches.) Now I'm sure some military needs can tell me why that wouldn't work, but it seemed like a plausible way of dealing with a "this person definitely has a suicide vest on them" without just be killing them.
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Danger - Octopus! posted:From that, it sounds like on day 11 after the first positive test, assuming I continue to feel fine then I can do normal stuff even if I continue to test positive. Yeah, the idea is that if you're still testing positive after ten days and don't have symptoms then it's just dead virus material floating about in your sinuses and you aren't contagious any more. iirc you're then liberated from having to take tests for 90 days(?) but I can't find confirmation of that for Scotland.
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Feb 17, 2022 13:32
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stev posted:Aren't you absolutely not supposed to shoot people wearing suicide vests? TV has taught me there's usually a dead man's switch and a million other ways it could go off. notaspy posted:Did we ever find out if our man on London Bridge had a suicide vest or not? Either way, these kind of events are (thankfully) so rare that most discussion of them turns into "am I controversial enough yet?" posturing and debates about how to discourage people in the first place (more Victorian literature?) or about saving lives through public health or preventing party leaders drunk driving would be more useful in the general public interest sense.
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The Question IRL posted:I remember reading an Action Force comic from when I was a kid where they showed that the squad had specialist training on how to deal with someone wearing a suicide vest. And amazingly enough it wasn't just "put one right between their eyes." I think you need certain Tasers for that to work. There's loads of footage where it hits the target but does nothing as it doesn't penetrate or touches skin or whatever. And don't think there is instant setting foam like that, within seconds? Would be on Jackass or youtube prank videos by now.
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Frankly whenever they say "we thought he was wearing a suicide vest" I don't think that counts for much, of course you think that, you're lunatic gun toting cops looking for an excuse to kill someone.
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josh04 posted:Yeah, the idea is that if you're still testing positive after ten days and don't have symptoms then it's just dead virus material floating about in your sinuses and you aren't contagious any more. iirc you're then liberated from having to take tests for 90 days(?) but I can't find confirmation of that for Scotland. Yes it's this, with the one caveat that PCRs will pop positive for up to 90 days (usually significantly less time) but after a shorter periods LFTs will work properly again Anyway, yeah, you're free to leave, Octopus
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Barry Foster posted:Yes it's this, with the one caveat that PCRs will pop positive for up to 90 days (usually significantly less time) but after a shorter periods LFTs will work properly again awesome, thanks
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Feb 17, 2022 13:47
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Angela Rayner is one politician who I always give the benefit of the doubt yet who always seems to find a way to disappoint. WhatEvil posted:Whether you give a poo poo or not, freezing the payment thresholds is still relevant. Used to be that as average pay went up, so did the thresholds for when you start paying/how much you pay back - same as how your personal allowance/tax-free amount goes up every year with inflation. Not anymore. Your graduate tax just went up in real terms, and it'll continue to go up, and even those who currently don't earn enough to be paying them back will soon enough start having to pay some portion, often to go on top of the rest of the effects of inflation giving real-terms pay cuts. You say you say all that, and you're probably right, but...  . I guess the idea of having a job where I earn enough to pay it back is so wild it starts to seem like a privileged position in itself. The few times I have gone over the threshold it's hardly been crippling, they write it off eventually, and it's not like they're sending hard lads to your door or like it effects anything else in your life. I think also it's one of those subjects that, no matter how much I accept that it matters, my eyes glaze over when people talk about it, much like pensions.
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The Question IRL posted:I remember reading an Action Force comic from when I was a kid where they showed that the squad had specialist training on how to deal with someone wearing a suicide vest. And amazingly enough it wasn't just "put one right between their eyes." A suicide vest would stop the prongs from a taser from penetrating, and many explosives are not happy with 10,000 volts put through them and tend to express that lack of happiness in ways that are not fun, and even if you did manage to hit them tasers are AC and cause spasmodic motion, so there's no guarantee the finger/hand will keep the trigger depressed. Also there's no substance on earth that could encapsulate a hand holding a trigger and then harden quickly enough to stop it being released. but that's a secondary consideration given the above.
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From watching way too much NCIS, CSI, Law & Order, Dalziel & Pascoe etc, people in suicide vests often seem to be innocent victims strapped up (or fake) and the detonator (and explosives) are actually remote controlled by a mobile phone being operated by someone observing what is going on and who will detonate when the response teams etc get near. Naturally, I stand to be extremely well corrected!
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Ok, so now I’m cross. As mentioned, I’ve got Covid. It sucks (though my case is quite mild- so much so that I thought it was just a return of unrelated problems. My wife has been much sicker.) First symptoms showed up Wednesday last week, positive test taken on Saturday and I had a PCR test on Tuesday. So expectation was that I’d be free again on Saturday after the required 10 days isolation. Which has hosed my business and life over, but is survivable (incidentally if the goon with an order still outstanding is reading this, please make contact as to how you want me to proceed- I’ve emailed with no response). I entered the code from the pcr test into the NHS Covid app today, and it wouldn’t let me select the date I first noticed symptoms. So had to go with ‘I can’t remember’. And now I’m being instructed to isolate until the 26th. Losing a week, I can manage. Losing two in the run up to another large event in the first week of march will basically kill my capability to trade there, and utterly gently caress my earnings for the next couple of months. So my question to anyone who knows is, what should I do? Is the Covid app date checked up upon? Assuming I pass the ten days since first symptoms and/or get negative lft results, am I still stuck in here for another week on top of what I’m doing? Will I get in trouble if I go out before then in spite of negative tests and the original self isolation? I realise this is me probably working myself into a lather unnecessarily, but my autistic nature about Rules is beating me around the head about it all, and frankly I /need/ to be shopping and cooking and mailing next week or I’m utterly hosed.
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I'm not an explosives expert but that got me curious - would a taser do anything to most explosives? Plastic explosives can be burned in a bonfire without them detonating, so I don't think just the heat from the current would do anything. And if all you needed for detonating plastic explosives was electricity then why even have a blasting cap, just use raw power? And this is what 40kV passing through black powder granules looks like. Apparently gunpowder conducts electricity well enough that it doesn't heat up enough to set off.  Please note that I'm not endorsing the use of tasers in this post. Or of suicide vests.
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Camrath, I'm pretty sure there's not a single person left in UK government or law enforcement who gives a solitary gently caress about Covid and self isolation. Just go out and live your life, nobody is going to prosecute you because the app hosed up.
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Nenonen posted:I'm not an explosives expert but that got me curious - would a taser do anything to most explosives? Plastic explosives can be burned in a bonfire without them detonating, so I don't think just the heat from the current would do anything. And if all you needed for detonating plastic explosives was electricity then why even have a blasting cap, just use raw power? Phrasing this carefully for the poor bugger in a basement in Cheltenham who drew the short straw and is monitoring SA - most commercial explosives are selected for lack of sensitivity, and the availability of them and ingredients that can be used to make them is *extremely* limited. Most terrorists - and specifically all suicide terrorists in the UK - have gone the improvised route, and improvised explosives most definitely *are* extremely sensitive to external stimuli, including electricity. Even if somehow someone with the means and experience to obtain insensitive explosives were to build a "safe" suicide vest, there's still detonator(s) involved which would be sensitive to voltage, as would the circuitry controlling them of course.
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The Perfect Element posted:Camrath, I'm pretty sure there's not a single person left in UK government or law enforcement who gives a solitary gently caress about Covid and self isolation. Just go out and live your life, nobody is going to prosecute you because the app hosed up. 100% this. If you would have been comfortable leaving isolation without the app loving up, just leave. You'll have done your 10 days anyway.
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The Perfect Element posted:Camrath, I'm pretty sure there's not a single person left in UK government or law enforcement who gives a solitary gently caress about Covid and self isolation. Just go out and live your life, nobody is going to prosecute you because the app hosed up. Additionally if it helps we're almost certainly getting rid of the isolation rules before the 26th
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Has your sense of taste / smell returned? Was worrying about this the other day, seems sort of important.
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Camrath posted:Ok, so now I’m cross. Just ignore it, seriously. If it makes you feel any better, this is the advice I would give in my actual job, which is about exactly this kinda stuff No-one cares, the situation would be easily explainable even if they did (but they don't, at all, not even a tiny bit) We're getting rid of free testing and self-isolation rules entirely next week anyway, because don't you know covid is over, baby (wolf howl)? Barry Foster fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Feb 17, 2022 |
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Camrath posted:Ok, so now I’m cross. also while I might be confusing about ending isolation here, I'm certain that for symptomatic cases, the ten days starts from the first symptoms. And that no one checks up on any of this anyway, and that isolation/testing rules are probably getting dumped next week anyway.
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Had a group meeting today. My office is open as normal and my manager said at this point we should all just expect to get covid. This is admittedly more or less in line with the (Norwegian) government's guidance, but gently caress that. If I don't have a good reason to be there I'm working from home until they come and drag me away from the comfy chair in front of my sweet rig, with my dog sleeping in the armchair behind me. What's the point in going in and using an inferior, dogless setup until I get ill?
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I have to say, and I may just be selfish here, but it's bad that covid is now over, because it means I'm almost certainly gonna be unemployed in March now I'm glad no-one will ever have to die of it or have long term complications from it ever again, of course, but still, I would like to be paid EDIT Danger - Octopus! posted:also while I might be confusing about ending isolation here, I'm certain that for symptomatic cases, the ten days starts from the first symptoms correct
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Has your sense of taste / smell returned? Was worrying about this the other day, seems sort of important. I wouldn’t worry about this too much tbh. I tested positive for COVID on the 27th of December and was able to end self isolation on the 5th of January. As of writing this post my sense of smell still hasn’t returned.
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Have they actually announced a change in the rules? I thought it was just the typical weather balloon going up to see how mad people would be.
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josh04 posted:Have they actually announced a change in the rules? I thought it was just the typical weather balloon going up to see how mad people would be. weather balloons so far LBC was the only source I'm aware of that said free testing is ending next week but basically my department is looking very likely to be rolled up entirely - for the first time in the pandemic - and it seems to mostly because the gov is about to pull the rug out, like, imminently the bosses don't tell me much but it's easy enough to put things together
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goddamnedtwisto posted:A suicide vest would stop the prongs from a taser from penetrating, and many explosives are not happy with 10,000 volts put through them and tend to express that lack of happiness in ways that are not fun, and even if you did manage to hit them tasers are AC and cause spasmodic motion, so there's no guarantee the finger/hand will keep the trigger depressed. Also there's no substance on earth that could encapsulate a hand holding a trigger and then harden quickly enough to stop it being released. but that's a secondary consideration given the above. Oh I'm sure there is lots if reasons why it wouldn't work in real life. (The writer of the comics, Larry Hamma, was a Vietnam Vet who had a lot of meticulous work in researching a lot of accuracies for military hardware. But he also had stories where Cobra had Robots, mind control machines and tricking GI Joe into creating a new island by dropping a load of bombs on a faultline.) That being said for something from the 80's/90's as a kid it seemed plausible enough that you could build on it to create some type of non-lethal pacification protocol for a suicide bomber. As for the foam, obviously it doesn't exist. But periodically I have to get that expanding foam that you use to fill in holes in walls/near pipes to stop mice from getting in. And let me tell you, that stuff hardens really quickly. And it's also super sticky, so much so if you get any on your clothes or hands, it's a right bastard to get off if you don't act quickly.
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