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Cup Runneth Over posted:https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1493986604561707011?t=wA9xBKAbjJ7XlyuCknYoRQ&s=19 I'd live in the contemporary archology as long as public transportation ran right through it
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Feb 17, 2022 02:24
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why do the students not just take the food
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Feb 17, 2022 02:34
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i have never seen a delivery bot
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Feb 17, 2022 02:35
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The Bloop posted:
Palms Springs has that effect in photos where they can tastefully crop out the land, air, and sky trying to kill you
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Feb 17, 2022 03:15
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at least the robits going the other direction arent stopping to see whats going on
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Feb 17, 2022 03:16
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Cup Runneth Over posted:https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1493986604561707011?t=wA9xBKAbjJ7XlyuCknYoRQ&s=19  quote:Steeped in national debt, the United States agrees to sell the peninsula of Florida to The Walt Disney Company in the largest North American land grab since the Louisiana Purchase. It’s soon declared a sovereign state and renamed ‘Los Disneys’.
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Feb 17, 2022 03:43
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If games have an opportunity for porn, people will do it. There used to be warcraft 3 custom map servers where the whole point of it was to show a pornographic image in the map thumbnail preview
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Feb 17, 2022 08:58
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Oyak posted:They are overthinking this whole problem...they should just force users to walk around in front of a camera for a minute for motion capture, and then paste the sprites in front of a background photo a la 90s FMV games. Bing bong solved. use a series of selfies to plaster ur face onto a 3d model with customization sliders
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Feb 17, 2022 09:19
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Tempora Mutantur posted:goddamn that's really good insight, was too busy saying "wow! Cool cyberpunk samurai!" The only thing I could think of regarding cybernetic aguments that could ever end even remotely well for users is if some black market dudes start making scratch built DRM free parts and selling them. Even then you would most likely have your body at the mercy of the builders or the mob. And God help you if you were dumb enough to get parts that are wifi enabled, because now you are at the mercy of security software. The only way you'd be safe is if the builder and surgeon who installs them are some sort of anarchist-types that have no interest in controlling people and don't get killed by the mob, the cops, or corporate assassins. Even then there are countless ways you could end up completely hosed. Cybernetic augments can never end well for the users unless you are mega rich. Even then it's a huge risk because your cyber technician could realize that he has total power over your body and make you do whatever he wants.
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Feb 17, 2022 15:55
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The Skeleton King posted:The only thing I could think of regarding cybernetic aguments that could ever end even remotely well for users is if some black market dudes start making scratch built DRM free parts and selling them. Even then you would most likely have your body at the mercy of the builders or the mob. And God help you if you were dumb enough to get parts that are wifi enabled, because now you are at the mercy of security software. https://granta.com/common-cyborg/ I think this is basically essential reading for "what is being a cyborg like"
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Feb 17, 2022 17:49
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Tulip posted:https://granta.com/common-cyborg/ Surprisingly, I agree with it making an important point. I was expecting... basically the people she's telling to gently caress off. Being a cyborg sucks. We're already here, we've been here for multiple generations, and there's no shortage of nerds looking for power fantasies when the reality is really summed up well with "I never asked for this". It's a thing you do when the other choice is dying or being unable to live independently. Do I like needing a branded part with a fragile supply chain to remain alive? I do not. Do I like it being bolted onto my bones under my flesh? I really do not.
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Feb 17, 2022 19:03
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Feb 17, 2022 19:44
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I might have been to that Gigantti. Don't bother walking in unless their website has a good sale, the staff is constantly lying and the pricing is very imaginative.
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Feb 17, 2022 19:48
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The Skeleton King posted:The only thing I could think of regarding cybernetic aguments that could ever end even remotely well for users is if some black market dudes start making scratch built DRM free parts and selling them. Even then you would most likely have your body at the mercy of the builders or the mob. And God help you if you were dumb enough to get parts that are wifi enabled, because now you are at the mercy of security software. this is why street doc is one of the classes in cyberpunk 2020 and its later editions, and in shadowrun knowing an illegal anarchist doctor is the second most important contact to have after the fixer who can let you buy things despite not real time uploading your personal data directly to every corp
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Feb 17, 2022 21:25
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atelier morgan posted:this is why street doc is one of the classes in cyberpunk 2020 and its later editions, and in shadowrun knowing an illegal anarchist doctor is the second most important contact to have after the fixer who can let you buy things despite not real time uploading your personal data directly to every corp
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Feb 17, 2022 22:26
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you are already a cyborg. tech doesn’t have to be implanted to be part of you.
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Feb 18, 2022 08:23
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Bar Ran Dun posted:you are already a cyborg. gently caress you and gently caress off.
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Feb 18, 2022 11:34
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Bar Ran Dun posted:you are already a cyborg. that's like saying you're a component of an AI because you work for a corporation
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Feb 18, 2022 11:59
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endlessmonotony posted:gently caress you and gently caress off. people always want to argue about the extended mind thesis. folks, have you ever stopped to conside the extended heart thesis??
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Feb 18, 2022 12:07
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Goa Tse-tung posted:that's like saying you're a component of an AI because you work for a corporation 
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Feb 18, 2022 12:11
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Bar Ran Dun posted:you are already a cyborg. if my smartphone stops working i don't die or go blind, i just gotta go look things up at the library
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Feb 18, 2022 13:32
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Bar Ran Dun posted:you are already a cyborg. There is no "you" *Drops mic* Oh poo poo I needed that
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Feb 18, 2022 13:47
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Shalebridge Cradle posted:if my smartphone stops working i don't die or go blind, i just gotta go look things up at the library If my parts stop working I have to get to a hospital before the worsening headache kills me. Also it will cause massive nausea.
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Feb 18, 2022 15:01
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Bar Ran Dun posted:you are already a cyborg. I took a seminar on science technology and history and there was this long insufferable book we read about how everyone is a cyborg because cybernation has cyborgized our lives and it was totally incoherent, I still don't quite understand the use of "cyborg" in the context of STS but it seems to mean "any individual who has to interact with technology repeatedly as part of their daily life"
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Feb 18, 2022 15:12
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endlessmonotony posted:If my parts stop working I have to get to a hospital before the worsening headache kills me. Also it will cause massive nausea. Classic nvidia.
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Feb 18, 2022 15:21
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(sees some guy organizing his garage so he knows where to find his tools) that's a cyborg, to me
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Feb 18, 2022 15:24
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Goa Tse-tung posted:that's like saying you're a component of an AI because you work for a corporation we are all just an aspect of god trying to understand itself
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Feb 18, 2022 15:25
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Frog Act posted:I took a seminar on science technology and history and there was this long insufferable book we read about how everyone is a cyborg because cybernation has cyborgized our lives and it was totally incoherent, I still don't quite understand the use of "cyborg" in the context of STS but it seems to mean "any individual who has to interact with technology repeatedly as part of their daily life" Today, I am a fountain pen.
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Feb 18, 2022 16:09
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Frog Act posted:I took a seminar on science technology and history and there was this long insufferable book we read about how everyone is a cyborg because cybernation has cyborgized our lives and it was totally incoherent, I still don't quite understand the use of "cyborg" in the context of STS but it seems to mean "any individual who has to interact with technology repeatedly as part of their daily life" its probably b/c cybernetics is technically about systems of communication
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Feb 18, 2022 16:25
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The Skeleton King posted:The only way you'd be safe is if the builder and surgeon who installs them are some sort of anarchist-types that have no interest in controlling people and don't get killed by the mob, the cops, or corporate assassins. Even then there are countless ways you could end up completely hosed. When it comes to outright cyborg stuff, you run into the same problem (I don't really need to say it here, but the problem is capitalism). I don't know her personally, but a friend of a friend had a bionic arm until some corporate lawyer found a technicality in the contract (no, of course you're not allowed to own your medical devices) and they told her that they wanted it back. It's especially important when it comes to healthcare, but the complete democratization of medical innovation and technology are fundamental to progress and that can only happen when there is no profit motive. But what the gently caress do I know? I'm just the resident CSPAM weirdo with chips and a magnet in my hands.
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Feb 18, 2022 16:28
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Cup Runneth Over posted:its probably b/c cybernetics is technically about systems of communication no cybernetics are the metal bits and tubes coming out of a borg.
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Feb 18, 2022 16:32
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Frog Act posted:I took a seminar on science technology and history and there was this long insufferable book we read about how everyone is a cyborg because cybernation has cyborgized our lives and it was totally incoherent, I still don't quite understand the use of "cyborg" in the context of STS but it seems to mean "any individual who has to interact with technology repeatedly as part of their daily life" Humans are functionally obligate tool users, we evolved in a context where all our ancestors had been using tools for millions of years, and no human is really capable of survival without access to tools. For example I'm officially in pretty good health all things considered, and if you did not let me use tools I would die fairly quickly in my local environment. Probably from cold but not a bad chance that I'd fall into a ditch or get run over by a car without my glasses. My basic survival is dependent on my ability to integrate my body with the tools I have access to. So far so uninteresting. We only really started to use the term "cyborg" pretty recently, the notion of the extended technological self being arbitrary is an argument I know goes at least back to 4th century bce. For reasons probably relating to Italian futurism that are murky to me, we've had a movement that suggests there is a truly novel break in recent times where prosthesis can be not just a matter of survival but of transcendence. This is what tends to show up in fiction about cybernetics and what the article I linked earlier refers to as "tryborgs." The basic argument about "we are all cyborgs" is actually fairly simple: if you try to create some big nerd perfect dictionary definition of "cyborg," the definitions that have all been made are not able to match up to the common use idea that "cyborg" is a new, novel, or coming concept. To back up a little bit and talk about the stakes of people who have say cyber eyes or pacemakers, the difference between me and them is the layers of redundancy and the resilience of the tech I'm dependent on. If my apartment burns down I can crash on a friend's couch, if I lose my clothes then I can go to the church and beg, if my stove breaks I can make a fire. Aside from the vision, if any given element of my technological chain breaks down I can basically survive so long as I can find some wood and a rock I can fit in my hand. Even the glasses are fairly resilient - opticians are everywhere, I have a backup pair of glasses, I am not in danger of my glasses getting bricked because some idiot 10 states away overpaid on real estate and the company went under. As long as my lenses don't shatter or get too scratched I am fine, and I can probably ask a friend to guide me around until I get a new pair. Anyway. Most of the weird cyborg discourse is unhelpful navel gazy nonsense that gets philosophy nerds rightly made fun of, and the "we're all cyborgs" thing is an unhelpful navel gazy counter argument that dunks on those same philosophy nerds but is still ultimately not very useful other than to reinforce the good instinct that Nick Land and Elon Musk are dorks you shouldn't listen to.
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Feb 18, 2022 17:02
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The good paper that sorts out what a cyborg “is” in the really broad sense is Donna Haraway’s Cyborg Manifesto which a quick google turned up a copy of here: https://www.sfu.ca/~decaste/OISE/page2/files/HarawayCyborg.pdf there are some criticisms of it, but if you want a one-stop shop to understand why the term “cyborg” got so big in meaning, this is where you start.
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Feb 18, 2022 17:24
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corn haver posted:(sees some guy organizing his garage so he knows where to find his tools) that's a cyborg, to me *tens of thousands of years in the past, an early hominid ties a sharpened rock to a stick* we am all cyborg now
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Feb 18, 2022 18:04
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Rutibex posted:no cybernetics are the metal bits and tubes coming out of a borg. this but nonironically
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Feb 18, 2022 18:10
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christmas boots posted:*tens of thousands of years in the past, an early hominid ties a sharpened rock to a stick* *is chased down by a man with sticks and rocks tied to his limbs* ME AM PLAY GODS!
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Feb 18, 2022 18:13
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Screaming Idiot posted:*is chased down by a man with sticks and rocks tied to his limbs* I'm really enjoying that mental picture just fyi
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Feb 18, 2022 19:09
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Screaming Idiot posted:*is chased down by a man with sticks and rocks tied to his limbs*
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Who need their cybussy ate? - Donna haraway
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