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Wistful of Dollars posted:can you link that report? It's here: https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/eur040052008eng.pdf Amensty also did a follow up the next year on the aftermath of the conflict. e: you want section 6, page 26 if you just want to skip to that. The next two paragraphs from the ones quoted are worth reading as well. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Feb 18, 2022 |
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I'm not a professional terrorist, but that seems like a poor place to blow up a car bomb if you wanted to actually cause damage and not just do the bare minimum to declare a terrorism happened.
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Alchenar posted:It's here: https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/eur040052008eng.pdf thanks
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Paladinus posted:An explosion is being reported by pro-separatist media close to DNR's government building. Allegedly a bomb was detonated in a card in what appears to be an empty car park. Who am I to tell a terrorist how to do their job, but an empty parking lot seems pretty low on the list of “important hard targets”  “Look we needed to stage a photo op for state media, but Sergey wouldn’t let us blow up his hardware store for some reason”
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Supposedly it's very close to some administration building(which of course looks complete undamaged)
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I wonder if there was even any cars in the lot given the time of day?Alchenar posted:It's here: https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/eur040052008eng.pdf Worth noting this is an excellent report because it also highlights what both Georgian and South Ossetian and Russian forces were doing in the area, and it was not pretty. Basically ethnic cleansing.
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CommieGIR posted:I wonder if there was even any cars in the lot given the time of day? Only Ivan, he works late. You know, Ivan who collects hand grenades and full gas bottles in his car.
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Baronash posted:Who am I to tell a terrorist how to do their job, but an empty parking lot seems pretty low on the list of “important hard targets” Looks more like a car fire than a car bomb. Typically you use a car to make a car bomb because you can cram a lot of explosive in it. That there is an intact car a couple of spaces away from the fire seems to indicate a pretty minor explosion, if there was one. Like, the glass on the street lamp is still whole and the bulb is still illuminating and that can't be all that far away.
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Could it be that there is internal confusion even within the Russian government whether to attack or not?
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Honj Steak posted:Could it be that there is internal confusion even within the Russian government whether to attack or not? At least on the propaganda side, probably; propaganda systems in Russia are a bunch of different siloed organizations with different approaches, some under the control of individual plutocrats, doing things they think Putin wants. This winds up contributing to the whole incoherent, truth-eroding firehose effect of it. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Feb 18, 2022 |
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Discendo Vox posted:At least on the propaganda side, probably; propaganda systems in Russia are a bunch of different silos, some under the control of individual plutocrats, doing things they think Putin wants. This winds up contributing to the whole incoherent, truth-eroding firehose effect of it. Yes and you can frequently encounter different networks of Telegram channels and the like serving different, frequently competing entities
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Honj Steak posted:Could it be that there is internal confusion even within the Russian government whether to attack or not? Unlikely, Russians know how to do bureaucracy, when they want to make it work. LDNR mobsters, on the other hand, are probably salivating over so many topics right now that they’ll need to import saliva soon, and much of which is likely delusional - c.f. mysterious chain of deaths or exiles of every single LDNR warlord that didn’t come off as a complete tool. РА! СИ! Я!
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Russia Today doing what it does best: Being the Fox News of Russia https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1494667476663156742?s=20&t=MpdZ0dS1Hg1beG6X_FrwDA
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Rad Russian posted:That's not how it's sold/spun IN Russia. Putin himself might be anti EU-fication, however for Russians NATO=U.S. Vast majority of Russians don't have any beef with EU. The conflict is strictly positioned as getting U.S. and its influence and "forces" out of Ukraine (with the message that the U.S. is of course planning to target Russia next). This is why U.S. deciding to get involved yet again directly is making things worse and exactly what Putin wanted. It would be better if Biden didn't feel the need to make any statements at all, making it look like every single political decision around the world must be blessed by U.S. first. European countries are in NATO too and should have all the focus on them, they should be leading whatever policy is needed here. I would have been nice for the US to state that US gives its full backing to its European allies in this moment of crisis. But sadly, Germany took it's sweet time to admit that things were that bad because of their own internal politics*. And if German isn't behind a strong response, then the EU in general cannot lead a strong response to Russian aggression. By the time Germany turned around it's tune, the US had been involved enough that Biden may as well make direct statements anyway. * Personally, I blame their energy dependency on Russia gas.
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golden bubble posted:* Personally, I blame their energy dependency on Russia gas. I suspect that is an accurate thing to blame. Part of why Russia was pushing Nordstream 2 so hard to completion.
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One of the interesting things about the US / Europe side of this is we're energy neutral now, whereas Europe is worse off than ever because they decided nuclear energy was harder to deal with than Russia.
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KillHour posted:One of the interesting things about the US / Europe side of this is we're energy neutral now, whereas Europe is worse off than ever because they decided nuclear energy was harder to deal with than Russia. Kind of. A lot of countries are now doing doubletakes with the Natural Gas crisis during the winter and while it got tied to Natural Gas, EU did pass the recognizing Nuclear as a Green Energy source. France also has stopped their Nuclear rollback and is doubling down on Nuclear, so there's been a major course reversal.
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CommieGIR posted:Kind of. A lot of countries are now doing doubletakes with the Natural Gas crisis during the winter and while it got tied to Natural Gas, EU did pass the recognizing Nuclear as a Green Energy source. France also has stopped their Nuclear rollback and is doubling down on Nuclear, so there's been a major course reversal. Sure, but how long would it take them to even start displacing LNG in the grid? They're kind of screwed in the short term.
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KillHour posted:Sure, but how long would it take them to even start displacing LNG in the grid? They're kind of screwed in the short term. Yup. And they could've easily predicted this.
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KillHour posted:Sure, but how long would it take them to even start displacing LNG in the grid? They're kind of screwed in the short term. A decade. 5 years if they really pushed it but, you know, that takes effort.
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Conspiratiorist posted:A decade. Or longer like in Finland with our new French nuclear reactor. Construction started July 2005 with planned to be operational in 2010. Well, it went critical last December... 11 years later than planned. The reactor has gotten lot of criticism during the whole planning and construction but now all the trouble seem worth it in this current situation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olkiluoto_Nuclear_Power_Plant
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exif is obviously only as accurate as the time setting on the recording device, but https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1494740895928836099
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Sir Bobert Fishbone posted:exif is obviously only as accurate as the time setting on the recording device, but I actually checked, and it's 100% true, lmao. Both videos are dated Feb 16. So I guess maybe what was reported as the date of the invasion was the date of the false flag that Pentagon mentioned. It could be explained as the wrong date on the device if it was just one vide, but both DNR's Pushilin and LNR's Pasechnik couldn't possibly have the same wrong time on their cameras.
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Paladinus posted:I actually checked, and it's 100% true, lmao. Both videos are dated Feb 16. So I guess maybe what was reported as the date of the invasion was the date of the false flag that Pentagon mentioned. For all we know, it could’ve easily been the same camera.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:For all we know, it could’ve easily been the same camera. https://twitter.com/ArmsControlWonk/status/1494745207245623296?s=20&t=VWvCBqTMnaPyNojft79IGQ
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Explosives rigged to blow in buildings in Donetsk to start false flag If you don't read Ukrainian, you can click on the tweet and there is a translate option.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:For all we know, it could’ve easily been the same camera. Interestingly, doesn't look like it. Here are exif dumps for the two files   The original files had different formats and have different metadata available.
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KillHour posted:/c:/users/pushilin/documents/ukraineinvasionplans/falseflag.prproj More likely it's just dumped on the desktop with everything else.
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BREAKING: DNR reports that Polish special forces might have tampered meta data on important public announcement videos. Top secret documents acquired today say that exif data was not suspicious in any way before tampering
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MSB3000 posted:More likely it's just dumped on the desktop with everything else. The paths are actually in there   Name your loving projects.
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MSB3000 posted:More likely it's just dumped on the desktop with everything else. It's even worse/better. Pasechnikov's video was in D:\Бросок мангуста\ЛИ\Untitled.prproj The folder is called 'strike of a mongoose'.
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Adobe 2014. How much you want to bet pirated?
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CommieGIR posted:Adobe 2014. How much you want to bet pirated? People pay for Adobe?
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