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jeebus bob
Nov 4, 2004

Festina lente
Somebody please elaborate on that convicted triple murderer thing

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Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

BigglesSWE posted:

I forget, did Hanif Bali manage to slither away from Bulletin before this or is he still associated with them? If so, I wonder how he will internalise this with his “can’t fail only be failed” self-image.

Some great recaps of the best hits here:

https://twitter.com/laretakis/status/1494628473381572611?s=21

On a personal level, I though it was hilarious joined on as their auto correspondent after he nearly ran me over on his phone.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!

jeebus bob posted:

Somebody please elaborate on that convicted triple murderer thing

It's like, not even an exaggeration. He shot three guys twenty years ago, in an attempt to steal their car after luring them to an abandoned spot. He then studied in prison, picking up nine (!) university diplomas. Including one based on a thesis on flaws in psychopathy treatment in Sweden. He's been writing for a big legal magazine before he was headhunted (lol) by the Bulletin leadership because hey, that hole fiasco needed to jump the shark a third time that week and he was just sitting there.

teen witch
Oct 9, 2012

lilljonas posted:

Including one based on a thesis on flaws in psychopathy treatment in Sweden.

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

A funny little mouse!
One of the funnier moments is listening to the recording made of a dispute in Bulletins editorial office between mainly Tino and the journos. Tinos voice and rhetoric does him no favours. Heated discussion among the people on the board meeting but Tinos speech just doesnt command any authority or respect. He sounds like a angry petty little man while really trying to sound assertive.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

They can't confiscate Britta Nielsen's pension. :lmao:

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

I'm lightly amused that this is the first I hear about Bulletin at all.

Maybe I just don't read enough Swedish news any more because it's all either banal or depressing.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

You know what might look better on your nose?

SplitSoul posted:

They can't confiscate Britta Nielsen's pension. :lmao:

I think that's fair; you can't go change universal rules like that just because someone's a criminal.

With that said, they should've stripped her and her family of everything. They were all in on it, and it has hurt untold thousands of the poorest and most downtrodden people.

E:

And you just know she or her children gets to have a book ghostwritten about this whole thing.

THE BAR fucked around with this message at 12:07 on Feb 19, 2022

endocriminologist
May 17, 2021

SUFFERINGLOVER:press send + soul + earth lol
inncntsoul:ok

(inncntsoul has left the game)

ARCHON_MASTER:lol
MAMMON69:lol

Collateral Damage posted:

I'm lightly amused that this is the first I hear about Bulletin at all.

Maybe I just don't read enough Swedish news any more because it's all either banal or depressing.

It was easily the funniest thing of last year

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

THE BAR posted:

I think that's fair; you can't go change universal rules like that just because someone's a criminal.

With that said, they should've stripped her and her family of everything. They were all in on it, and it has hurt untold thousands of the poorest and most downtrodden people.

E:

And you just know she or her children gets to have a book ghostwritten about this whole thing.

I just think it's funny, the Benefits Service can garnish your tax refunds if you're on welfare, but not money that was literally stolen from the state. I think a lot of people would probably exchange 6½ years of their life for 117 million.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

You know what might look better on your nose?

SplitSoul posted:

I just think it's funny, the Benefits Service can garnish your tax refunds if you're on welfare, but not money that was literally stolen from the state. I think a lot of people would probably exchange 6½ years of their life for 117 million.

But look at that hangdog expression, she's learned her lesson.

Let's get her a present!

Revelation 2-13
May 13, 2010

Pillbug
They can still take her money in the usual ways the state can get money out of people from fines or taxes or whatever. Like they confiscated her house and sold it. She still owes 117 million. Once she gets pension payments they can take an amount every month (but they have to leave enough for reasonable living expense). They just cant take away her legitimately earned (though 40+ years work) pension without taking the normal steps about it.

I agree that probably a lot of people would make the trade of 20 great years of unlimited consumerism vs 6 years in jail and then being poor’ish the rest of the time. Especially if you have nothing to lose.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Revelation 2-13 posted:

She still owes 117 million.

I think they settled on only garnishing 113 million, or maybe that's the remainder.

Honestly, they should take everything and give her life.

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer


Cardiac
Aug 28, 2012

Falukorv posted:

One of the funnier moments is listening to the recording made of a dispute in Bulletins editorial office between mainly Tino and the journos. Tinos voice and rhetoric does him no favours. Heated discussion among the people on the board meeting but Tinos speech just doesnt command any authority or respect. He sounds like a angry petty little man while really trying to sound assertive.

My five öre on the whole Bulletin thing is that this is what you get when you mix money, people with massive egos and a lack of overall plan.
I have seen a similar thing happen in academia.

I guess one good thing coming out of this is that a fair number of conservative egos got exposed and probably blacklisted. Arpi seems to only run on substack nowadays.
Gudmundson will probably walk over to another newspaper once the money coffee is empty.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

When Kvartal (Bulletin 1.0, lobbying organization masquerading as a media institution) was founded the people involved where clever enough to keep the seed capital massive (five times that of Bulletin) and the staff numbers low. As such, even if a complete commercial failure it can just keep on going for over a decade with no new outside financing. It made some of the same mis-steps (notably the failed poaching of VBK which can't have been cheap) but has since then comfortably been one mans vanity project.

Now Bulletin had thread favorite and delusional idiot Tino at the helm. Who seems to have envisioned that this was his big startup break, and conned a few rich idiots into believing that vision. I mean the idea that Bulletin would ever stand on its own legs when it paid thrice the going rate for mediocre writers (who are traditionally hired for their ideology rather than their consumer appeal) is just laughable. Similarly gathering a bunch of attitude writers who live for clout, drama and racism under one banner was just asking for trouble.

Cardiac
Aug 28, 2012

MiddleOne posted:

When Kvartal (Bulletin 1.0, lobbying organization masquerading as a media institution) was founded the people involved where clever enough to keep the seed capital massive (five times that of Bulletin) and the staff numbers low. As such, even if a complete commercial failure it can just keep on going for over a decade with no new outside financing. It made some of the same mis-steps (notably the failed poaching of VBK which can't have been cheap) but has since then comfortably been one mans vanity project.

Now Bulletin had thread favorite and delusional idiot Tino at the helm. Who seems to have envisioned that this was his big startup break, and conned a few rich idiots into believing that vision. I mean the idea that Bulletin would ever stand on its own legs when it paid thrice the going rate for mediocre writers (who are traditionally hired for their ideology rather than their consumer appeal) is just laughable. Similarly gathering a bunch of attitude writers who live for clout, drama and racism under one banner was just asking for trouble.

In one sense it is hilarious they never figured out how to do the same grift that ETC have been doing for ages.
Which Kvartal and Nya Tider managed, but I guess lesser number of egos explain a lot.

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

the funny thing about bulletin is that there's actually a pretty large amount of money sloshing around for right-wing think tanks and prestige magazines, they would've just had to not be an immediate failure and they might've been able to tap into it

but no, someone decided that this had to be extra stupid and now that's how it is

Feliday Melody
May 8, 2021

Poorly aged gimmick account.

https://twitter.com/Ukrainakollen/status/1493971568443244545

teen witch
Oct 9, 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wol70cBLNd8

E:

https://twitter.com/Ukrainakollen/status/1495894352706609157?s=20&t=VX121b8WlsCoR8BeSp4x1Q

man the SVT chat with kids discussing their fears is real sad.

teen witch fucked around with this message at 12:38 on Feb 24, 2022

Gedt
Oct 3, 2007

Anyone in here in Hemvärnet?

Im thinking maybe i ought join. Anything worth knowing beforehand?

Also, whats the chance of us and Finland going the NATO route? A week ago id say it wouldn't happen in my lifetime, but now? Who knows.

E: also, do they drugtest? Im rather fond of uh, "herbs"

Gedt fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Feb 24, 2022

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
I hope that Finland joins Nato and Sweden won't, then as Putin is looking for vulnerable targets he has no other options but to invade Sweden. Then Finland intervenes by sending "peacekeepers" to Tornedalen and correct the error of 1809 :finland:

Gedt posted:

E: also, do they drugtest? Im rather fond of uh, "herbs"

I think NATO is pretty chill on that, they even let the Netherlands join.

TheFluff
Dec 13, 2006

FRIENDS, LISTEN TO ME
I AM A SEAGULL
OF WEALTH AND TASTE

Gedt posted:

Anyone in here in Hemvärnet?

Im thinking maybe i ought join. Anything worth knowing beforehand?

Also, whats the chance of us and Finland going the NATO route? A week ago id say it wouldn't happen in my lifetime, but now? Who knows.

E: also, do they drugtest? Im rather fond of uh, "herbs"

"Jag säger att i det här läget är det ytterst olämpligt att göra någonting"
- Magdalena Andersson

truly a quote that captures the spirit of our times

also yeah there's a whole bunch of goons in hemvärnet

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Andersson making this another occasion to posture against refugees sure is an indication of how weak the leadership of the soc-dems have become.

Feliday Melody
May 8, 2021

Gedt posted:

Anyone in here in Hemvärnet?

Im thinking maybe i ought join. Anything worth knowing beforehand?

Fitness requirements are non-existent, but if you're too out of shape, they will wear you out until you quit yourself.

If you did lumpen and want to join as a rifleman then you just decide what battalion/company you want to join and email them. Expect this to take about 6 months
If you want to join as a specialist (medic, staff, signalist etc) you need to join a Frivilligorganisation like Försvarsutbildarna, sign an utbildningsavtal and then take courses to learn your speciality. Expect this to take about 12 months

If you did not do lumpen then specialist is your only option, and you need to do a grundutbildning för frivilliga plus your specialist training. Expect this to take about 18 months.


Every step starts with picking a home guard battalion and emailing them. Tell them your background and what you want to be.

Personally I'm on a 6 hour notice so this is my couch for the forceable future.



Gedt posted:

E: also, do they drugtest? Im rather fond of uh, "herbs"

They do not drug test you, but if you get convicted for using herbs, then they will kick you out.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!

Gedt posted:

Anyone in here in Hemvärnet?

Im thinking maybe i ought join. Anything worth knowing beforehand?

Also, whats the chance of us and Finland going the NATO route? A week ago id say it wouldn't happen in my lifetime, but now? Who knows.

E: also, do they drugtest? Im rather fond of uh, "herbs"

I don't want Sweden to join NATO, and I sure would not feel more safe if we were a NATO member right now.

Feliday Melody
May 8, 2021

I'm leaning closer to the idea that Sweden probably should join NATO.

I'm not fond of the idea of Swedish troops being sent to die in Eastern Europe. But on the other hand, we probably have 3 volunteers for every available slot to do that. So more power to them, I guess?

Gedt
Oct 3, 2007

Feliday Melody posted:

Fitness requirements are non-existent, but if you're too out of shape, they will wear you out until you quit yourself.

If you did lumpen and want to join as a rifleman then you just decide what battalion/company you want to join and email them. Expect this to take about 6 months
If you want to join as a specialist (medic, staff, signalist etc) you need to join a Frivilligorganisation like Försvarsutbildarna, sign an utbildningsavtal and then take courses to learn your speciality. Expect this to take about 12 months

If you did not do lumpen then specialist is your only option, and you need to do a grundutbildning för frivilliga plus your specialist training. Expect this to take about 18 months.


Every step starts with picking a home guard battalion and emailing them. Tell them your background and what you want to be.

Personally I'm on a 6 hour notice so this is my couch for the forceable future.



They do not drug test you, but if you get convicted for using herbs, then they will kick you out.

Cool! Thank you!

I am a trained Undersköterska, so ill go medic then I suppose. When I mönstrade, they rejected me 'cause of my bum knee, will that be an issue? I work in hemtjänsten and i dont drive, so im used to being on my feet and running around like an idiot, 6 or so hours a day, granted without a 10kg backpack. I also got some minor, but noticable on an x-ray, wear and tear on two discs in my lower back.

Also, whats in hemvärnets purview if poo poo does happen? Ive always assumed itd be sit around and guard poo poo, so as to allow the actual army to do more important poo poo

E: as for NATO, previously it has been my opinion that we should've opted out of being even just a partner country, but as of this week, ive been starting to reevaluate that. I havent yet actually come to a conclusion on where i stand in regards to joining, as of typing this, though im starting to lean towards we ought join.

Gedt fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Feb 24, 2022

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:
Sweden and Finland need to join NATO so we have an easier time creating a Nordic nuclear umbrella under the noses of the Americans.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!

Gedt posted:

Cool! Thank you!

I am a trained Undersköterska, so ill go medic then I suppose. When I mönstrade, they rejected me 'cause of my bum knee, will that be an issue? I work in hemtjänsten and i dont drive, so im used to being on my feet and running around like an idiot, 6 or so hours a day, granted without a 10kg backpack. I also got some minor, but noticable on an x-ray, wear and tear on two discs in my lower back.

Also, whats in hemvärnets purview if poo poo does happen? Ive always assumed itd be sit around and guard poo poo, so as to allow the actual army to do more important poo poo

Nah, at the mönstring they need to weed out 85% of the people going there, so they'll use any reason to remove people from the pool of potential värnpliktiga. At hemvärnet it's usually the opposite in my experience, that they don't have enough volunteers and will be a lot more likely to find a spot for you if you're interested.

In a war the bulk of hemvärnet would basically sit around and guard poo poo while the army does the main fighting, yes. They'd also take care of civilians, make sure that infrastructure don't fall apart, etc. But they also have troops that would do pretty much most of the assignments of the army, from surveillance to more or less guerilla warfare. They also do other useful things during peace time like help with floods and digging people out of snow storms etc when needed.

Gedt
Oct 3, 2007

lilljonas posted:

Nah, at the mönstring they need to weed out 85% of the people going there, so they'll use any reason to remove people from the pool of potential värnpliktiga. At hemvärnet it's usually the opposite in my experience, that they don't have enough volunteers and will be a lot more likely to find a spot for you if you're interested.

In a war the bulk of hemvärnet would basically sit around and guard poo poo in case of war while the army does the main fighting, yes. But they also have troops that would do pretty much most of the assignments of the army, from surveillance to more or less guerilla warfare. They also do other useful things during peace time like help with floods and digging people out of snow storms etc when needed.

Thank you!

Will my aspbergers diagnosis be an issue?

I'm very "high functioning" or w/e its called, and at this point in my life its basically a non-issue.

Feliday Melody
May 8, 2021

Gedt posted:

Cool! Thank you!

I am a trained Undersköterska, so ill go medic then I suppose. When I mönstrade, they rejected me 'cause of my bum knee, will that be an issue? I work in hemtjänsten and i dont drive, so im used to being on my feet and running around like an idiot, 6 or so hours a day, granted without a 10kg backpack. I also got some minor, but noticable on an x-ray, wear and tear on two discs in my lower back.

It shouldn't be a problem. There's 50+ year olds with double bad knees who get in. If you're a nurse you could also join as company nurse. Each medic group has around 5 medics and a nurse.

Gedt posted:

Also, whats in hemvärnets purview if poo poo does happen? Ive always assumed itd be sit around and guard poo poo, so as to allow the actual army to do more important poo poo

It depends on what kind of company you join. There's the motorized Insattskompani and the static bevakningskompani.

Bevakningskompani are infantry guard units, they are expected to do 6 days a year in peacetime. In war they guard only. They have no vehicles, so the regular military or an Insattskompani will take a point. The bevakningskompani will then come in with civilian transport vehicles and occupy that point.

Insattskompani (the kind I'm in) on the other hand are heavily motorized and depend on rapid movement. They attack and defend. We're expected to do 8 days a year but also get paid more as a result.

During war, the regular military acts as a spearhead and Hemvärnet then moves in and fortify those positions. As well as guard key objectives and harass the enemy with superior local knowledge of the area.

There are a lot of misunderstandings about how many days you are expected to deploy in case of war. The real answer is until the war is over.

TheFluff
Dec 13, 2006

FRIENDS, LISTEN TO ME
I AM A SEAGULL
OF WEALTH AND TASTE

MiddleOne posted:

Andersson making this another occasion to posture against refugees sure is an indication of how weak the leadership of the soc-dems have become.

I was talking to a politically mostly oblivious coworker (rich middle aged dad) last week and the possibility of a war in Ukraine came up. He was basically like "I don't know anything about Ukraine but what if there's a wave of refugees???". That was the first thing that came to his mind. It's incredibly depressing.

Feliday Melody
May 8, 2021

Gedt posted:

Thank you!

Will my aspbergers diagnosis be an issue?

I'm very "high functioning" or w/e its called, and at this point in my life its basically a non-issue.

It's not a problem, but I'd just not mention your autism at all unless you enjoy follow-up questions and having to defend why it's not a problem.

teen witch
Oct 9, 2012

TheFluff posted:

I was talking to a politically mostly oblivious coworker (rich middle aged dad) last week and the possibility of a war in Ukraine came up. He was basically like "I don't know anything about Ukraine but what if there's a wave of refugees???". That was the first thing that came to his mind. It's incredibly depressing.

Send them a backhand for me, TIA

Gedt
Oct 3, 2007

TheFluff posted:

I was talking to a politically mostly oblivious coworker (rich middle aged dad) last week and the possibility of a war in Ukraine came up. He was basically like "I don't know anything about Ukraine but what if there's a wave of refugees???". That was the first thing that came to his mind. It's incredibly depressing.

Had a co-worker opine that if it looks like Sweden is on Russias to-do-list shes going back to Africa, which frankly i fully get.

E:

Feliday Melody posted:

It's not a problem, but I'd just not mention your autism at all unless you enjoy follow-up questions and having to defend why it's not a problem.

Im very open about it, and frankly id welcome the discourse.

But i get what you mean!

Oh! And thank you all for taking the time to answer my questions, much appreciated!

Gedt fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Feb 24, 2022

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

How 'bout them hawks news huh!
Jimmies groda om Putin i SVT åldrades som särskilt sur mjölk.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Journalists kept asking if the Ukrainian refugees the government wants to take in will be sent to Rwanda. :lmao:

Jon Pod Van Damm
Apr 6, 2009

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1 NEVER TRUST ANY RICH PERSON.
2 NEVER HIRE ANY RICH PERSON.
BY RULE 1, IT IS APPROPRIATE TO PRESUME THAT ALL DEGREES AND CREDENTIALS HELD BY A WEALTHY PERSON ARE FRAUDULENT. THIS JUSTIFIES RULE 2--RULE 1 NEEDS NO JUSTIFIC



Sweden
  • signed an intelligence sharing treaty with the United States and the United Kingdom in 1954
  • participated in a Gladio style stay-behind anti-communist program that trained and funded secret paramilitary groups (including right wing psychos)
  • is a member of the EU which can use the NATO command structure
  • is part of the Nordic Defence Cooperation with 3 NATO countries
  • conducts join military exercises with NATO member countries
  • shares intelligence on leftists, communists, Islamic extremists and Russia with NATO members such as the US and the UK
  • sent troops to Afghanistan
  • sent troops to Iraq
  • participated in the military intervention in Libya
  • supported moderate rebels in Syria

To me Sweden seems to be fairly integrated into NATO already.

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BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

Yes, but the important thing is that you aren't legally members, meaning you don't get to ...have a Swede as the figurehead?

Also you get to pretend to be neutral, unlike Denmark, which is mostly just ready to go to whatever war USA wants.

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