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Vandar
Sep 14, 2007

Isn't That Right, Chairman?



Ghost Leviathan posted:

Weirdly enough that seems like an excellent way to describe Disney in general for years at this point.

Apparently the plot of at least one Kingdom Hearts game is that the bad guys keep trying to confuse and distract Sora and make him question himself, but because he honestly has no idea what the gently caress their vague ominous rambling is even about he just charges in and wrecks their poo poo anyway, and sometimes the bad guys have already torn themselves apart through infighting and betrayal by the time Sora even gets there.

Sora is not a very bright person! He's actually kind of dumb!

But he has the biggest heart around and can and will befriend almost anyone in the multiverse upon first meeting them, and if you gently caress with any of his friends or anyone he cares about or even threaten to do such a thing he WILL cut through reality itself just to get his hands on you and beat the absolute poo poo out of your sorry darkness-filled rear end.

Sora rules. :swoon:

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ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Calaveron posted:

This is one of the best episodes to showcase what a weirdo they let Mickey be in those shorts

https://youtu.be/2r5gue2yogk

This is also another good one too, though not so much for how much of a weirdo they let Mickey be but how much they are totally okay with just completely loving him up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMVwRZGH58I

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

I would say they've moved him more to the Spongebob Squarepants model of "such a do-gooder it becomes a personality flaw and causes trouble"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeRYuMEM_4k

Kinda funny people still call that 'recent', from eight years ago. Still love that punchline, though. It reminds me of old-school shorts in presentation, but it's got modern-day cartoon sensibilities for snappy timing and structure.

BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.


Ghost Leviathan posted:

Kinda funny people still call that 'recent', from eight years ago. Still love that punchline, though. It reminds me of old-school shorts in presentation, but it's got modern-day cartoon sensibilities for snappy timing and structure.

the'yre still making more of them, they just changed the name to The Wonderful World of Mickey Mouse because the voice of Minnie died.

They also made a Singaporean version which is not very good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWddaS3KWAQ

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Feb 18, 2009

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Vandar posted:

Sora is not a very bright person! He's actually kind of dumb!

But he has the biggest heart around and can and will befriend almost anyone in the multiverse upon first meeting them, and if you gently caress with any of his friends or anyone he cares about or even threaten to do such a thing he WILL cut through reality itself just to get his hands on you and beat the absolute poo poo out of your sorry darkness-filled rear end.

Sora rules. :swoon:

I think this is honestly the thing I like the best about Sora as a character. He spends maybe 40 seconds of the series brooding or angry at people he's supposed to be friends with, and the rest of the time being just the dumbest, happiest motherfucker.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Neito posted:

I think this is honestly the thing I like the best about Sora as a character. He spends maybe 40 seconds of the series brooding or angry at people he's supposed to be friends with, and the rest of the time being just the dumbest, happiest motherfucker.

Most of the time he's pleading with his angst friend to stop being so angst, and that's in one game

John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I can tune a fish.
The best Mickey Mouse cartoon is the one where he goes on a roadtrip with a trailer along with Donald and Goofy and they eat corn on the cob like typewriters. :colbert:

The Wicked ZOGA
Jan 27, 2022

I have literally never been exposed to any Mickey Mouse/Goofy/Donald Duck/whatever cartoon in my life, not even in passing. I am 30 years old.

The Wicked ZOGA
Jan 27, 2022

I'm not even trying to be like 'heh, you losers watch TV?' or whatever because it's not like I never did. It's not like I never watched cartoons. Just never Disney ones. I honestly don't understand how it happened.

e: and even then I watched loads of Disney films

Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

Same, honestly. It probably depends a lot on where and when you grew up, and whether your parents had any nostalgia for the characters. Were there any Disney cartoons on CBBC in the 90's?

For me Mickey Mouse was only ever a mascot for Disney as a company rather than an actual character that might have adventures or traits. Someone I learned about more through cultural osmosis than any actual exposure to any cartoons.

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

My only exposure to Mickey Mouse was the castle of illusion and world of illusion games for the sega and I loved those dearly

The Wicked ZOGA
Jan 27, 2022

Tenebrais posted:

Were there any Disney cartoons on CBBC in the 90's?

I don't remember any being on terrestrial TV. I think they just weren't really a thing in Britain. You wouldn't think that would necessarily matter though, because I do remember watching Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry. But those are actually funny.

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Jul 13, 2004

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John Murdoch posted:

The best Mickey Mouse cartoon is the one where he goes on a roadtrip with a trailer along with Donald and Goofy and they eat corn on the cob like typewriters. :colbert:

This is true. And I can't help but do it myself, and now my daughter does it. She's seen like, one typewriter in her life. Talk about memes.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

The Wicked ZOGA posted:

I'm not even trying to be like 'heh, you losers watch TV?' or whatever because it's not like I never did. It's not like I never watched cartoons. Just never Disney ones. I honestly don't understand how it happened.

e: and even then I watched loads of Disney films

I am in my late 30s in Disney Channel in its early carnations would play old Mickey cartoons so I did get SOME exposure that way but to be honest like other people said, they were boring.

Disney Channel late 80s and early 90s bumpers were amazing too, as were MTVs.

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Feb 18, 2009

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Mooseontheloose posted:

I am in my late 30s in Disney Channel in its early carnations would play old Mickey cartoons so I did get SOME exposure that way but to be honest like other people said, they were boring.

Disney Channel late 80s and early 90s bumpers were amazing too, as were MTVs.

When I got bored and put together a Plex server, one of the first things I sought out was MTV, Toonami, and Adult Swim bumps and in-house commercials.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Did you never have a day when your math teacher was out sick and the sub played Donald Duck in Mathmagic Land on one of tv wheelie carts?

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

Neito posted:

When I got bored and put together a Plex server, one of the first things I sought out was MTV, Toonami, and Adult Swim bumps and in-house commercials.

My brain gets me obssesed with the bumpers from when I was a child so if this is helpful here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJAAYijU_NA

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

ishikabibble posted:

The recent Disney shorts are basically going back to that 'Mickey is a lazy jackass who generally makes his own trouble'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBKgPmS5Fyw

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MrUnderbridge
Jun 25, 2011

The thing with the old Disney shorts is that they were kept in Scrooge's Walt's vaults for the longest time. I knew about them as a cultural thing, like I did old radio shows, but you never saw them, except maybe once a year when The Wonderful World of Disney would show a couple. Even then I don't think it was ever Mickey, just Donald, Goofy and Chip and Dale. And those bears with the fat park ranger.

The Warner Brothers cartoons on the other hand were shown five days a week in the after school "we can show these old cartoons to kids for cheap" hours, and then for an hour on Saturday mornings.

Both were originally meant to be shown before feature films for everyone, but the Disney ones were mostly tamed down by Walt's insistence on a tamer humor than the other toons. The Tex Avery toons were a direct reaction to go to the opposite extreme.

BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.


Mickey Mouse actually made the transition from genuine cartoon character who stars in shorts and drives the action to company mascot used for company mascot purposes pretty quickly because his do-gooder persona increased very steadily throughout the 30s and by the 40s writers had a really hard time writing a story he could actually be interesting in so if he did show up it was just to be the sane man while Donald and Goofy were actually funny.

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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

Mickey Mouse actually made the transition from genuine cartoon character who stars in shorts and drives the action to company mascot used for company mascot purposes pretty quickly because his do-gooder persona increased very steadily throughout the 30s and by the 40s writers had a really hard time writing a story he could actually be interesting in so if he did show up it was just to be the sane man while Donald and Goofy were actually funny.

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Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

christmas boots posted:

Sometimes you need an Abbott to make your Costello shine

Honestly, Donald is a better Abbott

Mickey just kind of sucks

Gaunab
Feb 13, 2012
LUFTHANSA YOU FUCKING DICKWEASEL
My parents got me some of the old mickey mouse cartoons on VHS and when Disney came through on cable I could catch some of the old cartoons late at night.

Having access to the old cartoons was one of the main reasons I got Disney+.

Pulsarcat
Feb 7, 2012

Burkion posted:

Mickey just kind of sucks

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

A friendly little mouse!
No, European Mickey rules.

https://twitter.com/Danny8bit/status/1254901931450855430?s=20&t=BWTgnJdoR04gnKnABxjL0A

BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.


I really like the mickeys where his face is paper white and he looks like a cartoon mouse and do not like the mickeys where his face is white guy beige and he looks like a Jimmy buffet fan had a teleported accident with a mouse

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
Israeli TV used to have Disney shorts and I vaguely remember at least two Donald Duck ones and zero Mickey ones.

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Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007

i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

Mickey is a relic of the kind of lovely cartoons they made in the early 20th century, where just the fact that things were animated was enough to make people split their sides.

"Look Muriel, that cloud has a FACE on it! I think I've poo poo myself laughing again!"

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are
Wasn’t Disney a pay cable channel in the early 80s in the states? I know my parents pirated it off our kiddie pool sized satellite dish out in the forest, and then made VHS tapes* out of a bunch of movies that became the fabric of my childhood, but when we moved into town and had to cut expenses, we stopped getting the Disney Channel. Maybe it was on a premium tier?

I also remember going on road trips to cities west of here, and inevitably we’d get to the hotel right as Disney Afternoon started, which was an extra road trip treat for child me.

*we moved into town after our house in the forest got burglarized. The thieves took the VCR containing our pirate copy of Robin Hood, possibly saving me from a life in the furry fandom, as well as the remote for the satellite dish. The night before, my dad had been showing one of my uncles how he could get unscrambled porn if he used the right coordinates, and then turned the TV off. That meant we were stuck with 24/7 porn on the TV the thieves failed to jack, as 3 year old DRJ got increasingly upset about not being able to watch Fraggle Rock. My parents eventually paid a guy to come out and physically move the dish to point at a family friendly channel, because it was cheaper than replacing the remote.

Tweak
Jul 28, 2003

or dont whatever








The disney channel was certainly on the premium tier cable package in the 80/90s because I remember being able to watch it (and I think cartoon network at first?) because my mom’s house had a higher cable package than my dad’s. It was also all on an east coast schedule which did not help my inability to understand tv scheduling in general in the west.

Now that I think about it it was satellite tv because I seem to recall issues when it got stormy or something.

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Le Faye Morgaine
Feb 1, 2022
Im glad I never got into Disney channel shows after all those behind the scenes stories of Dan Schneider being a weirdo perv freely. There is no way in hell that man isn't the father of Jamie Lynn's baby, but that fact won't be released until her next book I guess.

BioEnchanted
Aug 9, 2011

He plays for the dreamers that forgot how to dream, and the lovers that forgot how to love.
That was Nickelodeon's skeleton in their closet.

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Dec 14, 2005

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Tweak posted:

Now that I think about it it was satellite tv because I seem to recall issues when it got stormy or something.

They were at war with Dish for years and would only allow them to broadcast the SD signal.

Vandar
Sep 14, 2007

Isn't That Right, Chairman?



Dirt Road Junglist posted:

Wasn’t Disney a pay cable channel in the early 80s in the states? I know my parents pirated it off our kiddie pool sized satellite dish out in the forest, and then made VHS tapes* out of a bunch of movies that became the fabric of my childhood, but when we moved into town and had to cut expenses, we stopped getting the Disney Channel. Maybe it was on a premium tier? .

It's this. When I was younger Nickelodeon had the rights to Looney Tunes and played those like, all the drat time and Nick was a basic cable channel so it was easy to see those.

The Disney Channel was the only place to see Disney's cartoons but they were a big fancy premium channel you had to pay extra for. I remember that like, every couple of months you'd get a free preview weekend for The Disney Channel and when that happened it was a really big deal so enjoy it while you can because after that weekend who knows when you'd get to see The Disney Channel ever again?

Neito posted:

I think this is honestly the thing I like the best about Sora as a character. He spends maybe 40 seconds of the series brooding or angry at people he's supposed to be friends with, and the rest of the time being just the dumbest, happiest motherfucker.

I love how happy Sora seems during battle. Like, all of his callouts and voice lines seem so excited and whenever he does one of his big dumb super movies or summons or whatever he always has this great big :D look on his face. He's the absolutely best.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
In Israel they would buy shows piecemeal, both the main broadcast channel(s) and then cable. So the one public broadcast channel had Disney shorts and Looney Tunes, as well as Laurel and Hardy shorts and other unrelated media.

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Feb 18, 2009

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Vandar posted:

It's this. When I was younger Nickelodeon had the rights to Looney Tunes and played those like, all the drat time and Nick was a basic cable channel so it was easy to see those.

The Disney Channel was the only place to see Disney's cartoons but they were a big fancy premium channel you had to pay extra for. I remember that like, every couple of months you'd get a free preview weekend for The Disney Channel and when that happened it was a really big deal so enjoy it while you can because after that weekend who knows when you'd get to see The Disney Channel ever again?

I love how happy Sora seems during battle. Like, all of his callouts and voice lines seem so excited and whenever he does one of his big dumb super movies or summons or whatever he always has this great big :D look on his face. He's the absolutely best.

Sora is a toku/mecha hero in a grimdark shonen world, in anime terms.

EdBlackadder
Apr 8, 2009
Lipstick Apathy

Tenebrais posted:

Same, honestly. It probably depends a lot on where and when you grew up, and whether your parents had any nostalgia for the characters. Were there any Disney cartoons on CBBC in the 90's?

For me Mickey Mouse was only ever a mascot for Disney as a company rather than an actual character that might have adventures or traits. Someone I learned about more through cultural osmosis than any actual exposure to any cartoons.

I'm in my late 30s and I recall Disney being a CITV thing, I remember they showed Tazmania in the 90s. I don't remember who showed OG Ducktails but I remember watching it.

Funny was talking about this with my wife (early 30s) and we both remember a lot more Looney Tunes. And , of course, Animaniacs.

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


How was the Animaniacs return by the way? We never got around to watching it on Hulu.

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deoju
Jul 11, 2004

All the pieces matter.
Nap Ghost

Kwyndig posted:

How was the Animaniacs return by the way? We never got around to watching it on Hulu.
I watched the first season and loved it.

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