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Trickyblackjack posted:That bird god summoned a flock of seagulls to poo poo all over my deck I love video games
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pentyne posted:Coming up to the end of FFX I am strongly of the opinion that it is not a good game and in anything is a great representation of the ridiculous bloat that jrpgs became known for. Did you at any point consider just not doing that?
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Feb 19, 2022 10:29
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the only bosses you need to grind gear for are the ones that are explicitly supposed to be done after you've finished the game but want to do super hard bosses. just go to the end if you're not having a good time.
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Feb 19, 2022 12:56
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pentyne posted:Coming up to the end of FFX I am strongly of the opinion that it is not a good game and in anything is a great representation of the ridiculous bloat that jrpgs became known for. I played Final Fantasy X for like 30 hours, because my friend was telling me that it's the best Final Fantasy game and that "it gets good soon". It was the most miserable 30 hours I've ever spent on a game. I can't remember anything I liked about it.
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Feb 19, 2022 12:58
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Jack Trades posted:I played Final Fantasy X for like 30 hours, because my friend was telling me that it's the best Final Fantasy game and that "it gets good soon".
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Feb 19, 2022 13:10
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Jack Trades posted:I played Final Fantasy X for like 30 hours, because my friend was telling me that it's the best Final Fantasy game and that "it gets good soon". Your friend was lying because FFX is good immediately
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Feb 19, 2022 13:14
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Andrast posted:Your friend was lying because FFX is good immediately I gave up once I hit the calm lands
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Feb 19, 2022 13:14
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I still remember the visuals of FFX blowing my socks off back in the day. I absolutely believed we had achieved peak graphics. That being said, I have much fonder memories of FFX-2. It has a costume system and Yuna is a straight up jpop star and it rules. With that and Lightning Returns and now FF7 Remake, it's funny how my fav FFs are the sequels. I'm really looking forward to whatever that upcoming one is called, the adventures of punchy man and his teen bride. Trickyblackjack fucked around with this message at 13:18 on Feb 19, 2022 |
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Feb 19, 2022 13:16
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The intro of FF X2 made me cringe so hard. I have kind of a low tolerance for jrpg set dressing at the best of times. It has the best combat system I've ever tried in a jrpg, though its kinda let down by being able to steamroll through most fights without really having to engage with the dress-up mechanics.
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Feb 19, 2022 13:35
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Trickyblackjack posted:I still remember the visuals of FFX blowing my socks off back in the day. I absolutely believed we had achieved peak graphics. The Gripper fucked around with this message at 13:38 on Feb 19, 2022 |
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Feb 19, 2022 13:36
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The Gripper posted:Yeah FFX was the first one that for me looked better than games generally and not just better than other FF games. I can't think of anything in 2001 that had characters at that quality, it might have been the first to. Maybe Jak & Daxter, though obviously going for a completely different look, it did wonders with facial animations
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Feb 19, 2022 13:54
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Jack Trades posted:I played Final Fantasy X for like 30 hours, because my friend was telling me that it's the best Final Fantasy game and that "it gets good soon". The combat isn't bad but there's too many things to juggle to be doing it properly sometimes you just want to grind out your characters without having to swap everyone in and out every battle to level up. The story is like they took the previous game plot outlines, smashed them together, and pieced it into a barely coherent story based on what was best for showing off their graphics and FMV.
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Feb 19, 2022 17:25
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pentyne posted:The combat isn't bad but there's too many things to juggle to be doing it properly sometimes you just want to grind out your characters without having to swap everyone in and out every battle to level up. You don't have to do that either. Also there's nothing incoherent about the story in FFX.
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Feb 19, 2022 17:48
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Hi Steam thread I have a general tech support question I've been told is OK here: I have a Nintendo Switch Pro Controller that I use as my PC controller by bluetooth and the compatibility has been wonderful and it works perfectly with everything except I have a Microsoft Store copy of Sunset Overdrive where all the controls work except pressing the joystick up all the way only registers as if I'm pressing about 5%. Up doesn't work on the menus and in-game my character slowly crawls forward. The Windows controller diagnostic correctly shows me pressing 'up' all the way and I can't seem to identify any joystick sensitivity settings in-game that would do this? So what the hell?
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Feb 19, 2022 18:23
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Andrast posted:You don't have to do that either. I'll be super furious if I missed this, but how do you level characters without swapping them into the battle?
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Feb 19, 2022 18:50
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pentyne posted:I'll be super furious if I missed this, but how do you level characters without swapping them into the battle? You don't need to get XP on everyone every battle! It's fine!
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Feb 19, 2022 19:09
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Finally got around to playing horizon zero dawn and it might be one of the best single player story driven games I've played in quite a while. The combat isn't what I expected either, but once you get into the rhythm of stealth and laying traps, it really shines. Plot so far is very enjoyable too, I'm normally one of those skip all cutscene people but this world is generally interesting to me. Fingers crossed we get the sequel and it doesn't take 3 years.
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Feb 19, 2022 19:09
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Watching people play JRPGs taught me that people get insanely mad because of stuff they themselves do but for some reason blame the game for it
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Feb 19, 2022 19:20
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A Proper Uppercut posted:To the person asking about racing games/Forza, I'd like to throw out a recommendation for NFS Heat. The story is still dumb but still less annoying than the Forza Horizon games. Its a really good looking game, and I thought the driving mechanics were really good. That was me, and while I may give NFS: Heat a look, I'm really into car collection and customization. Is that in there?
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Feb 19, 2022 19:38
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CharlestheHammer posted:Watching people play JRPGs taught me that people get insanely mad because of stuff they themselves do but for some reason blame the game for it That's not limited to JRPG's, that's just lovely people in general who do this with every single aspect of life. However I agree with your statement that JRPG players have a higher concentration of lovely people than pretty much any other group.
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Feb 19, 2022 19:53
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Sloppy posted:Anyone played Black Book? I've never heard of it but it's on sale, marked as similar to StS / Monster Train and seems very well received. I'm probably never gonna play it so you can have mine when my humble choice comes through if you wanna wait a couple weeks. I'll post in the thread the keys I'm giving away. Cannot promise to remember tho
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Feb 19, 2022 19:57
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CharlestheHammer posted:Watching people play JRPGs taught me that people get insanely mad because of stuff they themselves do but for some reason blame the game for it When game mechanics encourage bad/boring gameplay it's what they call "bad game design". Good games should have their optimal gameplay be fun.
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GreatGreen posted:However I agree with your statement that JRPG players have a higher concentration of lovely people than pretty much any other group. mobas
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Feb 19, 2022 19:58
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Jack Trades posted:When game mechanics encourage bad/boring gameplay it's what they call "bad game design". How do you do this though? Like - if there's an 'expected way' to play the game where people only engage with stuff that's fun, surely that's what you should aim for. Make grinding completely impossible I guess, like after a while you just don't get any more benefit, so people won't do it? Because probably it's always going to be *possible* to bore yourself to tears. You could level your starter pokemon to 100 on route 1, it would take hours and hours and be boring as poo poo but you could then steamroll the game with it. Should they make that completely impossible or just rely on people not torturing themselves? I am really asking, I'm only familiar with Pokemon and, like, Siralim, in the JRPG space.
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Feb 19, 2022 20:01
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yo where's the metroidvania thread at I just finished Aeterna Noctis. I really enjoyed the challenging platforming but the game has a couple of chaff areas that should have been condensed down or removed entirely and it would be near perfect. Also extremely half assed story with some expensive looking animations that unfortunately reminded me of Zelda CD-i.
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Feb 19, 2022 20:04
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Jack Trades posted:When game mechanics encourage bad/boring gameplay it's what they call "bad game design". But they dont? Like people complain about grinding but I haven’t played many JRPG that require it. It’s something you can do to brute force your way around a problem but an option being available doesn’t mean you have to do it. Kind of showing my argument for me tho
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Feb 19, 2022 20:04
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HopperUK posted:How do you do this though? Like - if there's an 'expected way' to play the game where people only engage with stuff that's fun, surely that's what you should aim for. Make grinding completely impossible I guess, like after a while you just don't get any more benefit, so people won't do it? Because probably it's always going to be *possible* to bore yourself to tears. You could level your starter pokemon to 100 on route 1, it would take hours and hours and be boring as poo poo but you could then steamroll the game with it. Should they make that completely impossible or just rely on people not torturing themselves? I mean, I'll be honest I don't have the answer to how to make RPGs not terrible because the whole concept is just bad. If I had to make an RPG I'd just make it so that your level was capped based on your story progress, so that you'd naturally follow a designed difficulty curve, without an ability to grind your way out of your problems.
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Feb 19, 2022 20:05
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CharlestheHammer posted:But they dont? Like people complain about grinding but I haven’t played many JRPG that require it. A famous quote by one of the game designers of Civilization goes "Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of a game." It doesn't matter if you "have" to do it or not. If it's a possibility and the player feels that it's the path of least resistance, then the game is designed poorly.
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That sounds like a lot of design work just to make a certain group happy that would still complain anyway
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CharlestheHammer posted:That sounds like a lot of design work just to make a certain group happy that would still complain anyway Indeed, it is a lot of work. Why do all that when you can just make numbers go big. Big number make brain chemical go brrr.
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Feb 19, 2022 20:09
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Jack Trades posted:A famous quote by one of the game designers of Civilization goes "Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of a game." If they want to make the,selves miserable I’m fine with that. Outside listening to them whine it doesn’t negatively effect me
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all i know is i will dunk on them and not the game if they whine about it besides, diminishing returns are baked into typical jrpg game design, it is organically made obvious when your party is the level most games want you to be at, helped by the fact that a lot of jrpgs nowadays are very linear and not 'go anywhere' if someone continues to grind and complains about it, it's not the game design, it's them blatantly ignoring what the game is conveying to them
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Feb 19, 2022 20:13
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The Gothic/Risen series does a decent job of controlling grind by simply not having respawning enemies. Finish a major milestone and the world is repopulated with level-appropriate content. Min maxers can explore all the nooks and crannies for a couple extra hours if they want and story-motivated players can just move on. E: The other key thing is that powerful items are placed in specific spots instead of being random drops. This only works in handcrafted worlds though, procgen needs the random drops and it can be a curse.
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FWIW I remember back in the day forcing myself to play all the way through FFX to see the story and I limped in to the final boss so underleveled I actually had to backtrack and grind for a while in order to beat it. I never touched the optional super bosses or whatever. JRPGs just stopped being a thing I enjoyed much (although I do like FF14).
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Mega Comrade posted:Finally got around to playing horizon zero dawn and it might be one of the best single player story driven games I've played in quite a while. Literally watched someone stream the sequel (Forbidden West) yesterday
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The 7th Guest posted:all i know is i will dunk on them and not the game if they whine about it
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pentyne posted:Coming up to the end of FFX I am strongly of the opinion that it is not a good game and in anything is a great representation of the ridiculous bloat that jrpgs became known for. I'm really curious what boss battle you're talking about and how you got it into your head that you needed to grind equipment for it because you absolutely 100% didn't no matter what boss you're thinking of
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The 7th Guest posted:all i know is i will dunk on them and not the game if they whine about it this is one of the few things Chrono Cross did pretty well on, IIRC - no XP per se, real level-ups came from bosses and chaff fights gave you small stat gains up to a certain point
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Tarezax posted:Literally watched someone stream the sequel (Forbidden West) yesterday i imagine they meant on pc
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