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The sickly oceans and wind-swept WoR funeral march speak to the devastation pretty well, too. Let's not leave our that Doomgaze, Phunbaba, and the eight (nine?) dragons are all released as a consequence of Kefka's actions. He'd used his light of judgment to cow people while Celes was stranded, but he's probably also entertained watching Phunbaba terrorize orphans. Everyone else exists just to die for his amusement.
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Did anyone use the L1 shortcuts in FF7R and if so how did you map them? I'm pushing into optional post game / hard mode stuff and have been exclusively using the menu so far, but I'm wondering if shortcuts would help me play a bit more efficiently (especially for Tifa).
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Feb 19, 2022 21:07
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NikkolasKing posted:Is it fair to call Yu Yevon a villain at all when he ceased being a conscious, thinking being long before we even see him? Yes. It was his goal and plan that instigated everything and it being horrible and terrifying to live in Spira was what he wanted and what he did.
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Feb 19, 2022 21:22
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Party Boat posted:Did anyone use the L1 shortcuts in FF7R and if so how did you map them? I'm pushing into optional post game / hard mode stuff and have been exclusively using the menu so far, but I'm wondering if shortcuts would help me play a bit more efficiently (especially for Tifa). Pretty much never, shamefully
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Feb 19, 2022 21:30
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The only villain who truly succeeded in his plan was Marche 
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Feb 19, 2022 21:41
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its really simple kefka is an evil jester with a personality and yu yevon is a blob with no personality... kefka wins.
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Feb 19, 2022 21:44
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Looks like next time I play FF6 I'll be counting town populations in both the WoB and WoR and compare accordingly. I did this for FF2 which is how I found out Emperor Mateus is responsible for killing literally half the world's population.
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Feb 19, 2022 21:49
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Yu Yevon took a world that had airships, television, cars, skyscrapers and giant robots capable of blowing up the universe and destroyed it so hard that they went back to riding chocobos and living in straw huts. Yuna even straight up says that villages don't get much bigger than Kilika because Sin will show up and destroy them if they do. And he'd been doing this for thousands of years. Yu Yevon absolutely destroyed Spira harder than Kefka did to FFVILand.
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Feb 19, 2022 21:53
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Right? There were only four towns left in the whole world at the end of FFII
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Feb 19, 2022 21:54
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Yu Yevon gets owned by a couple of Blitzball players, a voodoo belt lady, some hornless gently caress, and several competent people. Kefka requires a magically-engineered super soldier, a mechanically-apt king, and a gambler with the world's deadliest dice to take him down at minimum. Kuja is undetermined because the other side has Steiner so Kuja never had a fair chance to begin with.
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Feb 19, 2022 21:57
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Kuja wrought a lot of damage for someone who doesn't wear any pants.
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Feb 19, 2022 22:02
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steiner ftw
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Feb 19, 2022 22:05
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Mega64 posted:Looks like next time I play FF6 I'll be counting town populations in both the WoB and WoR and compare accordingly. Mateus is a severely underrated villain. A lot of people don't go back to older towns in that game but there's fewer and fewer NPCs as the game goes on because Mateus genocided them.
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Feb 19, 2022 22:37
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I'm playing Dissidia NT and MAN are these cutscenes awkward as hell
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Mega64 posted:Looks like next time I play FF6 I'll be counting town populations in both the WoB and WoR and compare accordingly. are you counting moogles or no?
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Feb 19, 2022 22:50
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I don't understand Dissidia NT's DLC, a bunch of stuff just says not available and I can't find just a season pass to just buy all the I assume DLC characters and skins/weapons
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Feb 19, 2022 22:59
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:steiner ftw
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Feb 19, 2022 23:17
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Ardyn is also a villain who got everything that he wanted.
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Twelve by Pies posted:Yu Yevon took a world that had airships, television, cars, skyscrapers and giant robots capable of blowing up the universe and destroyed it so hard that they went back to riding chocobos and living in straw huts. Yuna even straight up says that villages don't get much bigger than Kilika because Sin will show up and destroy them if they do. And he'd been doing this for thousands of years. Yeah but my point is that the land itself seems fine in Spira, it's human civilization only that suffers. Meanwhile i always got the impression that if Kefka kept ruling the WoR would look like 2300 AD in Chrono Trigger. He's a blight on the planet itself.
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Feb 19, 2022 23:34
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Were not all the scars on the calm land caused by sin loving poo poo up.
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Mega64 posted:Yu Yevon gets owned by a couple of Blitzball players, a voodoo belt lady, some hornless gently caress, and several competent people. Kefka requires a magically-engineered super soldier, a mechanically-apt king, and a gambler with the world's deadliest dice to take him down at minimum. And yet, they still couldn't truly defeat Yu Yevon, and Sin comes back to ruin the Eternal Calm to say "Surprise fuckers, death is certain." Kefka is completely loving dead and gone. Sorry but the immortal blob who cannot be stopped from its rain of death will always be a better villain than one that didn't even achieve his goals. And I know people will say "But he destroyed the world!" but remember Kefka's speech when you fight him. He wants to destroy hopes and dreams. He failed, because the party uses their hopes and dreams to give them the strength to defeat him. Kefka's plan failed, Yu Yevon's plan succeeded, Yu Yevon is the better villain, end of story. Mega64 posted:Kuja is undetermined because the other side has Steiner so Kuja never had a fair chance to begin with. Maybe if Steiner was at level 1...no, wait, even then, Kuja doesn't stand a chance. Steiner is the best and strongest character. 16-bit Butt-Head posted:steiner ftw e: Frionnel posted:Yeah but my point is that the land itself seems fine in Spira, it's human civilization only that suffers. Meanwhile i always got the impression that if Kefka kept ruling the WoR would look like 2300 AD in Chrono Trigger. He's a blight on the planet itself. That's a fair point actually, though it's hard to say because Kefka ruled the world for a total of...six months? I forget how long Cid says Celes was unconscious. While the world is in bad shape, it does seem like Kefka wants to see people suffer, so it's probably unlikely that it would become completely incapable of supporting life (though he does say he wants to destroy life along with hopes and dreams, so who knows). Yu Yevon's goal isn't really to see people suffer (although that's a consequence of his actions) so destroying the planet isn't really going to be on his agenda, just the two commands he gave Sin, which are destroy any town that gets to be too big, and destroy any town that contains machina weapons. Twelve by Pies fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Feb 19, 2022 |
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Party Boat posted:Did anyone use the L1 shortcuts in FF7R and if so how did you map them? I'm pushing into optional post game / hard mode stuff and have been exclusively using the menu so far, but I'm wondering if shortcuts would help me play a bit more efficiently (especially for Tifa). I’m nearly done with my FF7R hard mode playthrough and the shortcuts are a godsend for more smooth and efficient combat, so much that I hope they add more in the sequel. That being said I mostly rely on them for melee chars Tifa and Cloud, off the top of my head these are the abilities I shortcut and what I use em for: Cloud: - Triple Slash (square): great multi hitting move that closes distances and tags multiple enemies, usually open with this - Focused Thrust (triangle): builds good stagger when pressured - Disorder (x): high damage transitional combo from operator -> punisher mode, make sure you end the punisher hits with holding square to get a brief berserk buff activated - Counterstance (circle): high damage counter, this is probably the most important to have shortcutted Tifa: - Unbridled Strength (square): bread and butter for chi charges - Focused Strike (triangle): stagger builder - Divekick (x): good move to cancel into after launchers, essential for shortcutting imo - Starshower (circle): great combo starter as it buffs the next move, hits multiple enemies For Barret and Arerith I mostly just use the menu because of their play style, but I do like Focused Shot and Maximum Fury for Barret and Soul Drain and Arcane Ward for Aerith shortcutted. Also I used to put the big damage abilities for stagger state on shortcuts (i.e. Infinity’s End for Cloud, True Strike for Tifa etc) but they aren’t used often so I just use the menu for those. Hope this helps! I love the combat in FF7R, it’s surprisingly in depth and is actually super fun to try solo VR mission runs with characters. Bahamut solo speed running is a trip with Cloud! Boy of Joy fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Feb 19, 2022 |
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Gaius Marius posted:Were not all the scars on the calm land caused by sin loving poo poo up. The Calm Lands' desolation is caused by Sin and the Final Aeons fighting there, but Sin also carves the world a new asscrack with a gravity laser in the FMV before you fight him with the airship
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imo "how well they accomplished their goals" is a bad way to judge whether a villain is good since it discounts things like "how well are they written" or most crucially, "how good is their theme music"
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Procrastine posted:imo "how well they accomplished their goals" is a bad way to judge whether a villain is good since it discounts things like "how well are they written" or most crucially, "how good is their theme music" You're right, but someone specifically brought up "Kefka succeeded at his plan" as evidence for why Kefka is good, so if that is the standard for what makes a good villain, then Kefka fails at that standard while other FF villains don't.
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Arist posted:It wasn't so bad under Kefka, at least the Phantom Trains ran on time
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Gologle posted:Ardyn is also a villain who got everything that he wanted. Sort of. He got most of what he wanted except sticking it to Bahamut. If the Episode Noctis DLC came out and was finished, he'd have done that as well though and then history recognizes him as the true first king but c'est la vie.
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Scalding Coffee posted:It no longer exists under Kefka. All the people who died since Kefka took over, their souls are still wandering the planet and haunting other people to this day. Everyone will eventually exist as some specter with unfinished business who cannot ever cross over. Well, I thought it was funny, at least...
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Procrastine posted:imo "how well they accomplished their goals" is a bad way to judge whether a villain is good since it discounts things like "how well are they written" or most crucially, "how good is their theme music" sephiroth stays winning
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Gotta be Kuja man, One Winged Angel is okay, Dark Messenger slaps
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The Extreme is a theme that I feel rarely gets brought up in villain music discussions and I was almost going to say it's better than Kuja's, but relistening to Dark Messenger it really is the gold standard for FF villain music I think.
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:sephiroth stays winning sephiroth is the best villain of all time. his sword is awesome and his hair is really cool too
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I meant "theme music" as in what plays in their cutscenes and not their battle theme fwiw. This is why Zeromus is a bad villain despite the FF4 final boss music being top tier.16-bit Butt-Head posted:sephiroth stays winning Sephiroth gets Birth of a God as well. You can't even compete with this guy.
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Twelve by Pies posted:The Extreme is a theme that I feel rarely gets brought up in villain music discussions and I was almost going to say it's better than Kuja's, but relistening to Dark Messenger it really is the gold standard for FF villain music I think. The Extreme is insanely good. The section that hits at about 2:40 in is one of my favorite moments in FF music.
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The FF villain who most successfully executes their plan and achieves their goal is Ilberd in FFXIV.
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Does Shadowbringer count as Emet's boss theme? There's also To The Edge.
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sephiroth has three banger themes and is unstoppable
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OhFunny posted:The FF villain who most successfully executes their plan and achieves their goal is Ilberd in FFXIV. 
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Yu Yevon is technically more successful in his goals of perpetuating his own existence forever via his dumb luddite church feeding him a constant supply of Final Aeons and suppressing knowledge of anything that could possibly fight them. He pulled that off for a thousand years to the point where he's a cultural establishment, while Kefka just aimlessly burns the world with a giant magnifying glass from atop his garbage tower until he got ganked after less than a year. That said, Yu Yevon can hardly be said to be enjoying his victory. He's deranged and senile and his personality is eroded to the point he's basically just a tick, an embodied chunk of cultural inertia who doesn't even have enough consciousness to really understand its own actions, just perpetuating the cycle of abuse on pure practiced instinct. Kefka at least seems like he's having fun, he derives actual satisfaction and glee from slowly burning civilization to the ground in a grand act of nihilism. Kefka burned bright and faded away, while Yu Yevon sold out and forgot why he he even got into the jrpg villain scene. It used to be about the villainy, man
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All the music in ff14 slaps. You get to some minor boss event and you get this insane prelude remixed track that blows the roof off
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