Lostconfused posted:

Well, if Russia does invade, they could at least purge the nazis.

Homeless Friend posted:

they say the cubans whip out their sonic weapons only once every 17 years. the patience...

Flavahbeast posted:

Fat chance of that. Again, Russia has an even bigger anti-semitism problem than Ukraine

like, who's this pleasant feller?



It's Putin's pal Dmitry Utkin who founded the Russian version of Blackwater





Ukraine's most popular neonazi party, Svoboda, got 2.15% of the vote in the last national election. They occupy 1 out of 450 seats in the Rada. In the same election a Jew was elected to lead the country with 73% of the vote. Saying they should be invaded because of a nazi problem is like arguing for the 2003 invasion of Iraq because of a islamic terrorist problem

Justin Tyme posted:

Watch the camps thing be true, but its explicitly only for members of the Azov battalion

Flavahbeast posted:

Fat chance of that. Again, Russia has an even bigger anti-semitism problem than Ukraine

like, who's this pleasant feller?



It's Putin's pal Dmitry Utkin who founded the Russian version of Blackwater





Ukraine's most popular neonazi party, Svoboda, got 2.15% of the vote in the last national election. They occupy 1 out of 450 seats in the Rada. In the same election a Jew was elected to lead the country with 73% of the vote. Saying they should be invaded because of a nazi problem is like arguing for the 2003 invasion of Iraq because of a islamic terrorist problem

Frosted Flake posted:

lol did they do that in 2014?

Rich that that people who love Bandera are accusing Russia of having Generalplan Ost on file.

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The driver of this violence was largely the Ukrainian far right, which, while a minority of the protesters, served as a kind of revolutionary vanguard. Looking outside Kyiv, a systematic analysis of more than 3,000 Maidan protests found that members of the far-right Svoboda party — whose leader once complained Ukraine was run by a “Muscovite-Jewish mafia” and which includes a politician who admires Joseph Goebbels — were the most active agents in the protests. They were also more likely to take part in violent actions than any group but one: Right Sector, a collection of far-right activists that traces its lineage to genocidal Nazi collaborators.

[...]

Andriy Parubiy, the unofficial “commander of Maidan,” founded the Social-National Party of Ukraine — a barely even winking allusion to Nazism — that later became Svoboda. By January 2014, even NBC was admitting that “right-wing militia-type toughs are now one of the strongest factions leading Ukraine’s protests.” What was meant to be a revolution for democracy and liberal values ended up featuring ultranationalist chants from the 1930s and prominent displays of fascist and white supremacist symbols, including the American Confederate flag.

[...]

The same far right that had led the charge in toppling Yanukovych, including Parubiy, found themselves with plum roles in the interim government that followed, while the winner of the 2014 snap presidential election — Ukraine’s seventh-richest man, Petro Poroshenko — had a history of corruption. His interior minister soon incorporated the Azov Regiment, a neo-Nazi militia, into Ukraine’s National Guard, with the country now a Mecca for far-right extremists around the world, who come to learn and get training from Azov — including, ironically, Russian white supremacists who were hounded from their country by Putin.

Despite far-right parties ultimately losing seats in Parliament, ultranationalist movements successfully shifted the country’s politics to the extreme right, with Poroshenko and other centrists backing measures to marginalize the speaking of Russian and glorify Nazi collaborators. Even so, far-right candidates have entered Parliament on non-far-right tickets, and extremists like former Azov commander Andriy Biletsky have taken high-ranking law enforcement positions. While far-right vigilantism spread through the country, Poroshenko himself granted citizenship to a Belarusian neo-Nazi and engaged in some borderline anti-Semitism of his own.

[...]

In truth, the Maidan Revolution remains a messy event that isn’t easy to categorize but is far from what Western audiences have been led to believe. It’s a story of liberal, pro-Western protesters, driven by legitimate grievances but largely drawn from only one-half of a polarized country, entering a temporary marriage of convenience with the far right to carry out an insurrection against a corrupt, authoritarian president. The tragedy is that it served largely to empower literal neo-Nazis while enacting only the goals of the Western powers that opportunistically lent their support — among which was the geopolitical equivalent of a predatory payday loan.

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The role of radical nationalists in Ukrainian politics is significant, via direct pressure on the government and dissemination of narratives. If you look at the actual policies that were taken by the post-Maidan government, you’ll see the program of radical nationalist parties, particularly decommunization, banning the Communist Party of Ukraine, and Ukrainianization, which means pushing the Russian language out of the Ukrainian public sphere. Many things that the far right campaigned on before Maidan were implemented by nominally non-far-right politicians.

Nationalist radicalization is very good compensation for the lack of any revolutionary changes after the revolution. If you start, for example, to change something in the ideological sphere — renaming streets, taking away any Soviet symbols from the country, removing Vladimir Lenin’s statues that were standing in many Ukrainian cities — you create an illusion of change without actually changing in the direction of the people’s aspirations.

[...]

The radical nationalist parties, by contrast, have ideology, they have motivated activists, and at this moment, they are probably the only parties in the real sense of the word “party.” They are the most organized, the most mobilized parts of the civil society, with the strongest street mobilization. After 2014, they also got the resources for violence: they got the opportunities to create affiliated armed units and a broad network of training centers, summer camps, sympathetic cafés, and magazines. This infrastructure perhaps doesn’t exist in any other European country. It looks more like 1930s far-right politics in Europe than contemporary European far-right politics — which doesn’t rely so much on paramilitary violence but is instead capable of winning quite a broad part of the electorate.

Flavahbeast posted:

Brogeoisie posted:

I think its this + competing interests in his administration that other poster mentioned. Basically you have the hawks pushing a narrative via pentagon leaks to push biden to do a John Bolton. Biden probably happy to go along with it because their internal polling probably shows a bump looking at Obama and George w comps lol. It's all flagrantly polling support, like Joe biden playing ww3 chicken to get his poll numbers up sounds insane but then you realize This Is the Democratic party

mila kunis posted:

russia's got its own far right problem but the ukrainian ultranationalists' lovely electoral performance gives dipshits like flavahbeast cover to downplay their influence in the country, to say nothing of the co-optation of their extremist nationalist bullshit and their policies by "normal" politicians:

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It does not describe the nature of the intelligence that undergirds its assessment.

Flavahbeast posted:

I think tacitly supporting an invasion of a country because "maybe they'll purge some nazis while they're at it" is a disgusting sentiment and I think the fact that 73% of voters chose a jew to lead them is cogent when arguing whether they deserve death

AnimeIsTrash posted:

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1495426769666510848

Flavahbeast posted:

I think tacitly supporting an invasion of a country because "maybe they'll purge some nazis while they're at it" is a disgusting sentiment and I think the fact that 73% of voters chose a jew to lead them is cogent when arguing whether they deserve death

Flavahbeast posted:

I think tacitly supporting an invasion of a country because "maybe they'll purge some nazis while they're at it" is a disgusting sentiment and I think the fact that 73% of voters chose a jew to lead them is cogent when arguing whether they deserve death

Flavahbeast posted:

Fat chance of that. Again, Russia has an even bigger anti-semitism problem than Ukraine

like, who's this pleasant feller?



It's Putin's pal Dmitry Utkin who founded the Russian version of Blackwater





Ukraine's most popular neonazi party, Svoboda, got 2.15% of the vote in the last national election. They occupy 1 out of 450 seats in the Rada. In the same election a Jew was elected to lead the country with 73% of the vote. Saying they should be invaded because of a nazi problem is like arguing for the 2003 invasion of Iraq because of a islamic terrorist problem

Flavahbeast posted:

Fat chance of that. Again, Russia has an even bigger anti-semitism problem than Ukraine

like, who's this pleasant feller?



It's Putin's pal Dmitry Utkin who founded the Russian version of Blackwater





Ukraine's most popular neonazi party, Svoboda, got 2.15% of the vote in the last national election. They occupy 1 out of 450 seats in the Rada. In the same election a Jew was elected to lead the country with 73% of the vote. Saying they should be invaded because of a nazi problem is like arguing for the 2003 invasion of Iraq because of a islamic terrorist problem

err posted:

https://twitter.com/LiveSquawk/status/1495563475569057792

PhilippAchtel posted:

What about Zelensky?

PhilippAchtel posted:

What about Zelensky?

PhilippAchtel posted:

What about Zelensky?

indigi posted:

you don’t have to be a nazi to hate Jewish people, in fact most people that hate them aren’t nazis. they’re just racists. the Russians could exterminate the Ukrainian nazis while not giving a poo poo about how it may impact antisemitism in the country.

I don’t think it’s particularly likely that Russia would do that in the also-unlikely event they invaded, though

HiroProtagonist posted:

IKs do your thing please

synapse posted:

The neonazis won 0 out of 435 seats in the 2008 United States Election and in that same vote a black man was voted in as President. Safe to say white supremacy is dead in America.

synapse posted:

The neonazis won 0 out of 435 seats in the 2008 United States Election and in that same vote a black man was voted in as President. Safe to say white supremacy is dead in America.

Flavahbeast posted:

I'm not going to keep poking at the thread, I'll even give myself an insulting title if I'm worried about nothing and Putin pulls back the battallions without attacking Ukraine. I'm just saying, there's more than one country that can beat a war drum and Vova's beating it pretty hard these last few weeks

HiroProtagonist posted:

However 438 seats were won by people representing stolen land, so in summary, the US Congress is a land of contrasts

Flavahbeast posted:

lmao at calling for the mods

I'm not going to keep poking at the thread, I'll even give myself an insulting title if I'm worried about nothing and Putin pulls back the battallions without attacking Ukraine. I'm just saying, there's more than one country that can beat a war drum and Vova's beating it pretty hard these last few weeks

fart simpson posted:

good news everyone, i can give out this gang tag now



supposedly i can get like 10-15 of these approved, so if you want one quote this post and it’s first come first served and ill get as many in as i can