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larchesdanrew posted:Guess who got an interview request for that IT Director gig Sending you good vibes!
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larchesdanrew posted:Guess who got an interview request for that IT Director gig  
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Feb 18, 2022 21:37
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Does anyone know if recruiters even read cover letters for apps applied for online, like, through Indeed?
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Feb 18, 2022 21:59
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Hey so remember how a couple years back, my employer canned the manager of our VMware team and the tech lead for the VMware team and drafted me to fill in, even though I had only been touching VMware for about 9 months? They went for the hat trick! That's right, they RIFed the boss of our UNIX team, the eminence grise of the UNIX team, the manager of the Windows team, a mid-level Windows engineer ... and drafted me to fill in! I also picked another manager and his entire org as part of this, meaning I am no longer just a line manager. Step 1: Drag this org out of its torpor and into doing poo poo cloud native and cool. Step 2: Update my resume to say that I dragged two legacy OS teams from being focused on on-prem poo poo to doing infrastructure as code in Azure or AWS Step 3: You know step 3.
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Feb 18, 2022 22:23
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larchesdanrew posted:Guess who got an interview request for that IT Director gig anyone give me odds on larches being head of a major T1 by Q4
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Feb 18, 2022 22:24
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Zorak of Michigan posted:Hey so remember how a couple years back, my employer canned the manager of our VMware team and the tech lead for the VMware team and drafted me to fill in, even though I had only been touching VMware for about 9 months? They went for the hat trick! That's right, they RIFed the boss of our UNIX team, the eminence grise of the UNIX team, the manager of the Windows team, a mid-level Windows engineer ... and drafted me to fill in! I also picked another manager and his entire org as part of this, meaning I am no longer just a line manager.
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Feb 18, 2022 22:58
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luminalflux posted:Surprisingly common unless you really hammer your ISP for it - asking for google earth KMLs for the whole fiber path is something our old head of global infra at twitch would do Really the one I'm waiting for is for a provider to sell part of another company's circuit back them as part of a larger circuit. I'm sure somewhere it's already happening.
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Feb 18, 2022 23:47
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Renegret posted:Really the one I'm waiting for is for a provider to sell part of another company's circuit back them as part of a larger circuit. Just get some finance derivatives guys involved, i'm sure they can make it happen.
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Feb 19, 2022 01:14
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GreenBuckanneer posted:Does anyone know if recruiters even read cover letters for apps applied for online, like, through Indeed? I personally stopped writing them because I felt they were ignored, would put a short summary at the top of my CV to compensate, and haven't had any complaints. For online forms that mandate a cover letter, I would usually upload my CV twice, and again, no complaints. I think a lot of these things are just requested by rote without any actual person wanting the information.
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Feb 19, 2022 07:32
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larchesdanrew posted:Guess who got an interview request for that IT Director gig Hell yeah, you've got this! 
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Feb 19, 2022 09:53
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larchesdanrew posted:Guess who got an interview request for that IT Director gig  bell jar posted:I think a lot of these things are just requested by rote without any actual person wanting the information. It's frustrating. For every modern recruiter giving advice that goes "I look at skills, not hiring ceremonies from the 1950s. Be sure to properly focus on your relevant strengths." there's some rear end in a top hat going "Why if there's not a gift wrapped handy in my post third interview thank you fruit basket, it's RIGHT IN THE TRASH. No professionalism anymore!"
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Feb 19, 2022 17:49
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PirateDentist posted:
I feel like its it managers doing the first, but HR people doing the second because they don't know the IT social niceties, like mocking people who are full of their titles
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Feb 19, 2022 19:05
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"why does nobody send thank you notes after interviews any more" gently caress you, that's why. I'm not going to be pathetically grateful that you'd even consider me, either employ me based on my demonstrated skills or don't.
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Feb 19, 2022 19:07
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I don't think thank you notes should be required, but we live in hell, so I send them. It doesn't hurt with the ones who don't care and it helps with the ones who still live in 1957.
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Feb 19, 2022 19:32
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I just had an interview with a high-powered CEO lady who ended up not hiring me because we weren't going to have compatible remote schedules, but the conversation was otherwise an energetic fencing match where she led off by telling her story and then saying "I think the younger generation are just sooo entitled, they just don't have the work ethic of people as old as you and me" Gee thanks lady, now let me tell you how stupid and lazy I feel talking to the people entering my field at half my age
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Feb 19, 2022 19:33
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I'll start sending thank you notes if they actually start sending rejection notes instead of just ghosting everyone who isn't the person they pick.
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Feb 19, 2022 19:40
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Don’t send actual thank you notes. If you do wind up guessing my email because of how, like, the recruiters names are formatted or whatever and send me an electronic mail you’ll instantly vault into the ‘ehhh maybe’ pile because I almost certainly interviewed other people who couldn’t figure that out
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Feb 19, 2022 19:54
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Send a meat and cheese basket with a card after any interview
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Feb 19, 2022 20:20
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I've never gotten a thank you note. I've also never had contact info for the people interviewing me, unless it was someone I knew already.
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Feb 19, 2022 20:23
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Entropist posted:I'll start sending thank you notes if they actually start sending rejection notes instead of just ghosting everyone who isn't the person they pick.
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Feb 19, 2022 20:48
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Oh, I don't send physical thank you notes. That's borderline deranged in the modern era. I send thank you emails.
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Feb 19, 2022 22:24
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I presume the dude who got ratio'd on twitter for this also meant emails.
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Feb 19, 2022 22:27
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I was glancing thru LinkedIn and I saw a conversation (including a poll) started by a former employee of my company - I hesitate to use colleague or co-worker since I'm internal IT and he's 'sales' (recruiting firm). Anyway it was about thank-you notes after interviews and I thought of this thread, so I figured I'd share. The tweet in the middle is shown full size at the bottom. I did chuckle at the irony of one person posting a thank-you in the thread.
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Feb 21, 2022 07:08
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Sending a 'thank you' note after interviewing (or expecting one as a company) establishes a weird power dynamic where I should feel grateful and blessed for being considered for a job. Rather than say a meeting between people that want to see if their need for a professional to help achieve their business goals aligns with my need for money.
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Feb 21, 2022 08:26
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If they have the courtesy to say "sorry you didn't get the job", then I have the courtesy to say "thanks for letting me know", that's about it.
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Feb 21, 2022 10:14
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People who post on LinkedIn are psychopaths
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Feb 21, 2022 10:24
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sixth and maimed posted:Sending a 'thank you' note after interviewing (or expecting one as a company) establishes a weird power dynamic where I should feel grateful and blessed for being considered for a job. Rather than say a meeting between people that want to see if their need for a professional to help achieve their business goals aligns with my need for money. Yes, it's this. We have moved beyond the idea of a company as a 50s style fatherly figure that knows what's best, takes you in and will look after you from cradle to grave provided you behave. People expecting thank you notes are wanting to cover the nasty cracks in modern day capitalism (ie that businesses are inhuman monoliths that consume employee labour to excrete profit and will throw away people the second their cost outweighs their utility) with a veneer of decorum. I have come to accept that if I want money I need to exchange my time and skills for it, and that companies will ditch me as soon as someone needs to make some lines on spreadsheet balance. This relationship is entirely transactional, and I refuse to pretend otherwise.
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Feb 21, 2022 10:48
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Thanks Ants posted:People who post on LinkedIn are psychopaths  Man the number of bullshit facebook happy posts are nuts these days. THIS LITTLE GIRL WAS SELLING LEMONADE SO WE GOT 5,000 PEOPLE TO SHOW UP WATCH THIS DOG WITH ONE LEG PLAY FETCH
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Feb 21, 2022 13:37
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Thanks Ants posted:People who post on LinkedIn are psychopaths This is a guarantee. The people who post are also a lot of boomers who are retired or near retirement and have no idea wtf is happening anymore or completely fake profiles who are trying to drive engagement. I deleted my Facebook account in 2008 and have no other social media, but it’s still been jarring how idiotic and obvious the fake echo chambers are and how they drive the online outrage machine. I’ve been muting people and reporting disinfo for a while, which I’m guessing is why I keep getting ‘Do you feel your feed is positive?’ Surveys from LI when I use the app. once there’s a credible alternative I’m ditching LinkedIn for sure. i am a moron fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Feb 21, 2022 |
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Feb 21, 2022 13:41
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It’s the modern Rolodex, nothing more. I’m not gonna keep contact info for someone I worked with two jobs ago unless they get to a level when they get my personal number, which is rare because everyone at work gets my gvoice number by default. Even then it’s never used because Teams. If you are intentionally posting on LI then yeah, sociopath.
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Feb 21, 2022 13:48
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What gets me about LinkedIn is how many people post as if it's Facebook or Twitter. I get that you care very strongly about the Israel/Palestine situation, but unless you're actively employed by a relevant government agency or charity then you should probably STFU about it on the jobhunt site, rando IT nerd.
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Feb 21, 2022 13:54
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My CFO posts on LinkedIn a lot. A whole lot of #Jesus posts from him. Its networking for me, I log in once a year if that.
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Feb 21, 2022 13:58
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Put it on hibernate for now. Got sick of vendors just guessing your new email is first.last@newcompany.com and spamming my email or calling for me. When I'm looking for a job again I'll turn it back on.
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Feb 21, 2022 14:03
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Fil5000 posted:Yes, it's this. We have moved beyond the idea of a company as a 50s style fatherly figure that knows what's best, takes you in and will look after you from cradle to grave provided you behave. People expecting thank you notes are wanting to cover the nasty cracks in modern day capitalism (ie that businesses are inhuman monoliths that consume employee labour to excrete profit and will throw away people the second their cost outweighs their utility) with a veneer of decorum. I ask people that talk about being loyal to the company as en employee if they truly believe their company would not fire them if it jeopardizes the profitability.
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Feb 21, 2022 14:12
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BaseballPCHiker posted:Put it on hibernate for now. Got sick of vendors just guessing your new email is first.last@newcompany.com and spamming my email or calling for me.
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Feb 21, 2022 14:26
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BaseballPCHiker posted:Put it on hibernate for now. Got sick of vendors just guessing your new email is first.last@newcompany.com and spamming my email or calling for me. Got one this weekend for a Canadian hair salon franchise. I lol'd. Re: thank you notes/emails/etc - sure, it's a courtesy, and I feel like some people appreciate it, but expecting or requiring it is a legacy of the old "you're lucky I'm GIVING you this opportunity to serve me" mentality. It really does need to be the other way around in a low-unemployment market. And I think a lot of interviewers (and interviewees) forget that the audition is a two-way street. I've had more than a couple of interviews where I knew by halfway through that I absolutely didn't want to work there and turned down offers because of it (there's a large insurance company that most people I talk to after the fact tell me I dodged a big bullet).
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Feb 21, 2022 14:34
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Thank you mail/messages is something i will send if the staff is helpful/courteous in addressing some special condition(like if i asked them a unusual timezone for them for the meet and they change their usual HR flow) but otherwise i will only reply to their contact. Double so for big globocorps which expect me to learn their values or whatever to do any kind of selection. I run on mercenary values, provide me cash and you will buy my morals and so on but don't expect i will listen to your corpo spiel nonsense.
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Feb 21, 2022 15:34
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SlowBloke posted:I run on mercenary values, provide me cash and you will buy my morals and so on but don't expect i will listen to your corpo spiel nonsense. This 100%.
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Feb 21, 2022 15:53
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I once did a phone screen type interview with someone, and they sent me a thank you note on professional letterhead in a large manila envelope to the wrong office. They didn't get hired, and the weird thank you note had no impact on that other than just being weird.
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I'll play the corporate politeness game, and exactly as SlowBloke said, my performance and acting is for sale to the highest bidder. Is that sociopathic? Probably. But it's the way the game is played.  The "thank you" letters are also a good place to reiterate a point from the interview if it's something I want to hammer.
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