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Feb 22, 2022 15:02
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Ardennes posted:I mean they are already recognized Russian proxy states with Russian troops in them. Sure if ukraine invades crimea or either pseudo independent area they're hosed but i think this is headed to like a decade long proxy terror war in all 3 territories
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Feb 22, 2022 15:02
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bold of them to admit that Kiev has long historically been a major cultural center of Russia long before modern dynamics such as Moscow's formation began.
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Feb 22, 2022 15:03
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Joementum posted:If anything, Kiev was just spending way too much on domed churches. You don't need that many! they never should have listened to the byzantines and stopped worshipping the old gods
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Feb 22, 2022 15:03
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Honest Thief posted:nordstream 2 is dead NS2 isn't online, right? So that means nothing will change right now in terms of gas prices for Germans. My other question though: I'm under the impression that Germans need Russian gas more than Russia needs to sell it to Germany. They currently are selling through Ukraine, correct? What's stopping the Russians of shutting of the valve to pressure Germany?
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Feb 22, 2022 15:04
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I love all the replies all 'OH SNAP'. Just the dumbest loving Americans with know historical knowledge treating this like a twitter beef.
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Feb 22, 2022 15:04
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What did DC look like at any of those dates? I always wonder about the thought process behind this tweet from the country that invaded and sacked Mesopotamia. U.S. admits military damaged Babylon ruins - A senior U.S. military officer said Friday he is willing to apologize for damage troops in Iraq caused to the ancient ruins of Babylon. 
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Feb 22, 2022 15:04
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sexpig by night posted:bold of them to admit that Kiev has long historically been a major cultural center of Russia long before modern dynamics such as Moscow's formation began. No Rus, no Rus, YOU ARE THE RUS!!!
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Feb 22, 2022 15:06
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Popoto posted:What's stopping the Russians of shutting of the valve to pressure Germany? Pressure them to do what?
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Feb 22, 2022 15:06
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If they really want to troll them they should make fun of how the mongols ruled the moscovy princes for hundreds of years with very little effort. There was even a revisionist history tendency in the ussr to pretend they were never under the tatar yoke. But i guess Kiev was also conquered but this is the us embassy so gently caress it
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Feb 22, 2022 15:06
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Joementum posted:If anything, Kiev was just spending way too much on domed churches. You don't need that many! someone who is good at the economy please help me budget this. my country is getting invaded
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Feb 22, 2022 15:08
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Honest Thief posted:nordstream 2 is dead So who are they going to buy gas from now? The USA?
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Feb 22, 2022 15:10
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Lyndon LaRouche posted:I also recognize their undeniable sovereignty. The rest of the based world shall soon follow.
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Feb 22, 2022 15:11
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Frosted Flake posted:What did DC look like at any of those dates? DC before it was cultivated by the nascent American state was a humid lowland. It's become a widespread myth that DC used to be a swamp, when really it's just that the climate is so unpleasant it gives you swamp rear end.
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Feb 22, 2022 15:11
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Cpt_Obvious posted:So who are they going to buy gas from now? The USA?
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Feb 22, 2022 15:12
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Frosted Flake posted:What did DC look like at any of those dates? Slam on native americans outta nowhere
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Feb 22, 2022 15:13
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smoobles posted:Pressure them to do what? To give in to NS2 and align towards neutrality instead of against their interests, effectively undermining NATO.
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Feb 22, 2022 15:14
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https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/st...n-border-threat
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Feb 22, 2022 15:15
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:i have serious doubts about the US being able to supply enough natural gas for Europe Even if they could it would be like triple the cost If only the centrist libs had continued to develop nuclear energy instead of going into reactionary panic when fukushima happened
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Feb 22, 2022 15:15
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gradenko_2000 posted:someone who is good at the economy please help me budget this. my country is getting invaded spend less on nazi militias
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Feb 22, 2022 15:17
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:DC before it was cultivated by the nascent American state was a humid lowland. It's become a widespread myth that DC used to be a swamp, when really it's just that the climate is so unpleasant it gives you swamp rear end. Yeah plus some presidents died since things like the local climate, constant flooding and water were so horrible back in the day.
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Feb 22, 2022 15:19
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Man I wonder what Washington DC was like then
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Feb 22, 2022 15:19
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ilmucche posted:Lol Seizing sympathetic areas of neighboring countries keeps those nations from meeting NATO admission requirements. It also reinforces Russia's status as protector of ethnic Russians both inside and outside Russia.
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Feb 22, 2022 15:20
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brugroffil posted:Imo Putin is a Bad Dude and not a friend of the left On the one hand, yeah, obviously. On the other: https://twitter.com/Louis_Allday/status/1496035535592300549
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Feb 22, 2022 15:22
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Popoto posted:NS2 isn't online, right? So that means nothing will change right now in terms of gas prices for Germans. My other question though: I'm under the impression that Germans need Russian gas more than Russia needs to sell it to Germany. They currently are selling through Ukraine, correct? What's stopping the Russians of shutting of the valve to pressure Germany? Oil futures will rise because the market expected NS2 to come online in time for winter and increase the supply and now they have to weight if it won’t. Germany receives a lot of oil through Nord Steam 1. I don’t know what the breakdown is between the different pipeline routes.
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Feb 22, 2022 15:22
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   the Instagram propo is up
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Feb 22, 2022 15:23
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Popoto posted:NS2 isn't online, right? So that means nothing will change right now in terms of gas prices for Germans. My other question though: I'm under the impression that Germans need Russian gas more than Russia needs to sell it to Germany. They currently are selling through Ukraine, correct? What's stopping the Russians of shutting of the valve to pressure Germany? Theoretically, not much. Shutting off the gas also does major harm to Ukraine because of the way the pipeline works, in addition to the loss of transit revenue. Actually doing so, however, would be a major escalation in economic terms, since they never shut off the gas before (in the past they have reduced it to minimal contractual requirements, but that was interpreted as a blow against Ukraine, not against Europe, because they were still meeting the contractual exports to European consumers). Not bringing Nord Stream 2 online doesn't actually change the current gas status quo the same way Putin recognizing DNR/LNR and deploying peacekeepers doesn't actually change the current military status quo. Shutting off the gas supply to Europe would be a big change in the status quo. On top of that, it probably isn't something that Russia wants, because it would be further evidence for those who say Russia is just an inherently malign actor that wants to dominate all of Europe, and it would push Europe into closer ties with the US which is offering to make up for any shortfalls in Russian gas supplies. Right now one of the things stopping Europe from going all-in on the US's anti-Russian strategy is their relatively close economic ties to Russia, including reliance on gas imports (as well as oligarch money laundering, etc.). If Russia starts loving with those ties from its end, it takes away Europe's incentive not to respond more harshly to Russian actions, and pushes them towards closer economic ties with the US instead.
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Feb 22, 2022 15:25
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Cpt_Obvious posted:So who are they going to buy gas from now? The USA? RWN guest says USA's LNG, which might mean shortages for asia
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Feb 22, 2022 15:28
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vyelkin posted:those who say Russia is just an inherently malign actor that wants to dominate all of Europe, and it would push Europe into closer ties with the US which is offering to make up for any shortfalls in Russian gas supplies.
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Feb 22, 2022 15:29
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I doubt they'll actually kill Nordstream 2. Energy prices are hosed as is in Europe and this would make it worse. I reckon once the dust has settled after a week or two of posturing to look tough on Russia, it'll be back to business as usual.
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Feb 22, 2022 15:29
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isn't the natgas export of both usa and qatar (2nd biggest exporters after russia) less than what just eu imports from russia lol there's no loving way they sanction the natgas. eu actually needs it while russia can just sell it to china a bit cheaper if eu deal falls through lol
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Feb 22, 2022 15:30
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etalian posted:Yeah plus some presidents died since things like the local climate, constant flooding and water were so horrible back in the day. They died because all of those factors combined backed up their lovely sewage system, and they all caught gut diseases from the doo doo water.
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Feb 22, 2022 15:31
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https://twitter.com/bneeditor/status/1496129485359439888?s=20&t=9xQC18OZZS7yr456MqhL2Q
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Feb 22, 2022 15:31
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vyelkin posted:Theoretically, not much. Shutting off the gas also does major harm to Ukraine because of the way the pipeline works, in addition to the loss of transit revenue. Actually doing so, however, would be a major escalation in economic terms, since they never shut off the gas before (in the past they have reduced it to minimal contractual requirements, but that was interpreted as a blow against Ukraine, not against Europe, because they were still meeting the contractual exports to European consumers). Not bringing Nord Stream 2 online doesn't actually change the current gas status quo the same way Putin recognizing DNR/LNR and deploying peacekeepers doesn't actually change the current military status quo. Shutting off the gas supply to Europe would be a big change in the status quo. Yeah, this makes sense. Thanks 
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Feb 22, 2022 15:31
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https://www.intellinews.com/breaking-german-government-removes-key-document-kills-off-the-nord-stream-2-gas-pipeline-235771quote:The Germany government has withdrawn a key document needed to certify the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, making it impossible to complete the process, AP reported on February 22.
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Feb 22, 2022 15:33
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Mr Hootington posted:Uk sanctions are a joke par for the course
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Feb 22, 2022 15:34
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Truga posted:isn't the natgas export of both usa and qatar (2nd biggest exporters after russia) less than what just eu imports from russia lol they don't have the infrastructure ready to just turn the tap to China. ns2 is a direct link from the field to Germany. to go to China would require years of building new pipes
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Feb 22, 2022 15:34
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My assumption is that Nord Stream comes back online if the crisis ends here, because otherwise it seems pretty disproportional to what meaningfully changed yesterday. And Russia's running out of things to lose if they feel like grabbing more territory if there aren't incentives to stop now.
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Feb 22, 2022 15:35
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antipattern posted:I doubt they'll actually kill Nordstream 2. Energy prices are hosed as is in Europe and this would make it worse. I reckon once the dust has settled after a week or two of posturing to look tough on Russia, it'll be back to business as usual. Don't think we're talking about a matter of weeks, but I'd assume the German gov will try to sneak it back in in time to fill the tanks for (next) winter. Truga posted:isn't the natgas export of both usa and qatar (2nd biggest exporters after russia) less than what just eu imports from russia lol There's no pipe from those fields to China I'd thought?
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Feb 22, 2022 15:35
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Truga posted:isn't the natgas export of both usa and qatar (2nd biggest exporters after russia) less than what just eu imports from russia lol The Puppet Master posted:they don't have the infrastructure ready to just turn the tap to China. ns2 is a direct link from the field to Germany. to go to China would require years of building new pipes yeah, was about to post this. Pipeline capacity is a big deal for natgas exports. These are Russia's export pipelines:  Export capacity to China is a fraction of export capacity to Europe even without NS2, they can't simply turn the tap to China on higher because the pipelines aren't there.
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Feb 22, 2022 15:36
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