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Sinteres posted:Just speaking as an American I think it's hugely embarrassing for my country to be putting out troll memes that insult an entire nation (as opposed to just its political leadership) in the middle of a serious crisis, and I don't care if other countries do it too. I think the concept there is poking at Putin's speech, given how much the speech acted like Ukraine was some recent invention that was artificially spun out of Russia. Europeans should be used to that kind of thing anyway, that's basically every single Greek meme ever aimed at Germany.
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Sinteres posted:Just speaking as an American I think it's hugely embarrassing for my country to be putting out troll memes that insult an entire nation (as opposed to just its political leadership) in the middle of a serious crisis, and I don't care if other countries do it too. I'm inclined to agree, it comes of as immature at best.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:What was insulting about it? It seems pretty factual to me. It's just showing that Kiev was a prosperous civilization before Moscow was even a thing. It's a visual counter argument to Putin's assertions in his speech. I feel like the implication when stuff like that gets posted is generally 'lol you people were savages,' and that comes across even if it's not the specific intent here. But maybe I'm reading too much into it. Either way, it misses the point that Russia considers Kievan Rus to be part of its history, which is part of the problem.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:What was insulting about it? It seems pretty factual to me. It's just showing that Kiev was a prosperous civilization before Moscow was even a thing. It's a visual counter argument to Putin's assertions in his speech. Kiev was the capital of Rus. And I had to hear about it from my very russian ex soviet party member father on the phone last night. He used to like putin back in the day bit he was saying how unhinged what putin said was. I bet a lot of proud russians like him were like what the gently caress did putin just say?! Honestly I think the Russian people are just as terrified as Ukrainians
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Meme game is good, particlarly if the aim of the meme is to show support for the host country. This meme is awkward because the US is not particularly well placed to step into the middle of a 'thousand years of history and culture' conversation between European states.
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Preoptopus posted:Kiev was the capital of Rus. And I had to hear about it from my very russian ex soviet party member father on the phone last night. He used to like putin back in the day bit he was saying how unhinged what putin said was. I bet a lot of proud russians like him were like what the gently caress did putin just say?! Honestly I think the Russian people are just as terrified as Ukrainians the idea that putin was just yanking nato/western europe/ukraine's chain and wasn't going to do poo poo really seemed pretty pervasive among, like, a lot of russians of all ends of the political spectrum. It was surreal seeing people from all sides politically yesterday just recoiling simultaneously. You never really see that.
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GABA ghoul posted:I can't emphasis enough how much people here are freaked out by that unhinged Putin rant. Everyone expected the Donbas recognition but not this. If he had just skipped the meltdown video, that might have saved NS2
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US embassy could always get creatively inspired by some local memes. https://twitter.com/rupolitics_nc/status/1496055364915273731
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Alchenar posted:Meme game is good, particlarly if the aim of the meme is to show support for the host country. Just replace all the "Moscow" subtitles with "Washington DC" and its easily countered.
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CommieGIR posted:Just replace all the "Moscow" subtitles with "Washington DC" and its easily countered. Thats really not the point of the meme. It would just prove that Kiev is older than DC which literally everyone would agree with. The point is to counter Putin’s claim that Ukraine didn’t exist before 1920.
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Sinteres posted:Either way, it misses the point that Russia considers Kievan Rus to be part of its history, which is part of the problem. It is part of its history, similar to how England is part of American history: it doesn't make Englishmen Americans nor give the US right to rule England, but is one of many things that influenced the culture. Except, well, the comparison breaks down since US Presidents never took the title of "President of all the Anglos" and never renamed the country for that.
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 Pictured: the original sick Ukrainian memes
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Zephro posted:They've got maybe 10 months tops to build a whole shitload of LNG import infrastructure (plus the matched export capacity in Qatar / America) but better late than never. I have seen estimates that those take 2 years to build or so - probably an optimistic estimate normally, but who knows what resources will actually be mobilised now.
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Saladman posted:Thats really not the point of the meme. It would just prove that Kiev is older than DC which literally everyone would agree with. The point is to counter Putin’s claim that Ukraine didn’t exist before 1920. It's Kievan Rus, not Kievan Ukraine, QED 
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Alchenar posted:Meme game is good, particlarly if the aim of the meme is to show support for the host country. Responding to ethno-nationalism with insults based on ethno-nationalism doesn't exactly defuse it. The US position is ostensibly based on universal principles of sovereignty and liberty and everything, and going down in the mud to post troll memes about how Russia's ancestors were primitives isn't helpful, regardless of who it's in support of. It's not that I think the US is genuinely better than this, it's just not appropriate and I don't want to see it.
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A rational actor like Putin won't pay any heed to a bit of petty ribbing, surely. I like how Russia can be literally flooding soldiers into a neighbouring country, and the refrain is " it's just symbolic posturing, grow up" but when American Embassy posts a stupid meme, then it's the time to become gravely concerned about decorum. steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Feb 22, 2022 |
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https://twitter.com/medvedevrussiae/status/1496112456858574849 No need to be salty now, Mr. Medvedev.
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Sanctions are pointless while the UK allows endless washtrading in London properties for Russian banks and oligarchs
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Going after Russian assets will ruin Brian's economy! We should instead begin thermonuclear war to save the landlords
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steinrokkan posted:A rational actor like Putin won't pay any heed to a bit of petty ribbing, surely. So it's okay to insult an entire country's culture or history if you don't like their leader who you don't even think represents the people, got it.
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Deteriorata posted:Somebody's feeling a bit trollish this morning: Vaguely racist memes will help calm tensions.
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Sinteres posted:So it's okay to insult an entire country's culture or history if you don't like their leader who you don't even think represents the people, got it. I don't think now it's time for the naiveté of idealism.
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steinrokkan posted:I don't think now it's time for the naiveté of idealism. I thought your entire position was based on idealism. If not for idealism, why should countries outside of the immediate neighborhood care about Ukraine? Throwing away your principles in favor of a stupid troll meme is a weird stand.
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steinrokkan posted:I don't think now it's time for the naiveté of idealism. It's a bad meme
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E: Oops nvm someone already posted it.
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Dammerung posted:Does anybody have that list of charities in Ukraine that was posted earlier in the thread? I forgot to save it and I have friends and family asking what they can do to help. https://twitter.com/JaneLytv/status/1495926609194500104
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Quorum posted:
They're so gosh-darn happy
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Going after Russian assets will ruin Brian's economy!
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The meme is bad because it accepts Putin's stupid framework of policy through surface historical analysis.
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Paladinus posted:The meme is bad because it accepts Putin's stupid framework of policy through surface historical analysis. Or... it underlines its banality.
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This made me go and re-read the original letter they supposedly wrote to the Turkish sultan - pretty good troll: Ivan Sirko posted:Zaporozhian Cossacks to the Turkish Sultan!
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Awesome, thank you!
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https://twitter.com/NewsfeedUkraine/status/1496075061568151553 bandwagoners
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Gotta admit, I only learned about Transnistria yesterday when I saw a video of someone simulating a Russian/NATO war in Ukraine using Hearts of Iron IV.
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Drone_Fragger posted:Sanctions are pointless while the UK allows endless washtrading in London properties for Russian banks and oligarchs
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sticksy posted:This made me go and re-read the original letter they supposedly wrote to the Turkish sultan - pretty good troll: Definitely a higher-effort act of memetic diplomacy than the US embassy's, but I guess they don't make them like they (apocryphally) used to.
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Sinteres posted:Just gonna say that I don't think US embassies should be posting poo poo like that. Why?
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