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College Rockout
Jan 10, 2010

new asl out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSHEHZDJWkw

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College Rockout
Jan 10, 2010

also, artosis's stream is an unwatchable meme but on occasion he'll have scan come to his apartment to coach him while he ladders and those streams are excellent. He tones down his raging because he knows you can't be like that around other people so it's generally chill and it's super interesting hearing the perspective of an ASL (previous season) player.

Aces High
Mar 26, 2010

Nah! A little chocolate will do




He had Scan do a tier list and it was great because I don't think anyone is sure if Scan is being dead serious with his choices or is just taking the piss

Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



Aces High posted:

He had Scan do a tier list and it was great because I don't think anyone is sure if Scan is being dead serious with his choices or is just taking the piss

You can't say this and not post/link the tier list

Khorne
May 1, 2002

Elyv posted:

You can't say this and not post/link the tier list
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMg_HT8asSc

It seems like a pretty serious tier list from a perspective that ignores how unit composition progresses through a game, timing windows, and overall utility in favor of raw unit strength. If a unit is very good at doing its job he ranks it highly. If a unit is used purely out of necessity or only good against 1-2 things he ranks it low.

Devourers really do wreck lots of air units. Although this is the choice I know the least about despite playing zerg, because devourers aren't a practical choice against things people actually do.

Science Vessels don't actually beat anything that can shoot them and are wildly ineffective against most units in the game despite being the only reason Terran has a chance in many TvZs. It's because they can skate around and rely on the strength of marine & medic to protect them that irradiate can generate immense value. Even so, lots of times science vessels are kind of break even and the real differentiator is that marines only cost minerals while the zerg is gas limited.

Dark Archons are stupidly powerful if you can afford to get them and generate energy for an eternity. They're not viable due to cost, energy regen time, and the alternative options protoss have. If you start having x vs y unit wars or some theoretical unit compositions with no regard for how to get there, suddenly the dark archon is a pretty beastly unit. When you're faced with how to spend gas you're thinking "I could make reavers" or "I could have psi storm" or "I could have carriers" or "how about a few more dragoons". That & requiring you to throw away dark templar are the dark archon's undoing.

Vultures are S+ tier at some points in the game but can't actually fight certain things due to damage/armor types and all races eventually have ways to deal with mines. Vulture A seemed the most controversial of all picks to me, but when you compare it to a mutalisk (a similarly broken unit) or templar it sort of makes sense.

Corsair in D is because it's only good vs mutas & overlords. "only" being quite a strong statement, but it's pretty similar to his ranking of the science vessel -- these are terrible units in most situations.

I don't think anything else was that controversial.

Khorne fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Nov 4, 2021

Heavy_D
Feb 16, 2002

"rararararara" contains the meaning of everything, kept in simple rectangular structures
3rd place match is out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObjBD2Q3E6g
Game three was a real corker, with a surprise twist in the tail

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
Really looks like Queen got psychologically hammered by that Mini loss first and then now from HerO. Really unfortunate

Mymla
Aug 12, 2010
Science vessel on C is straight up trolling lol.

Elephunk
Dec 6, 2007



ASL Finals - Tastosis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahnzlVnvdPE

rush's wife is super fine

animatorZed
Jan 2, 2008
falling down
Still watching, but Scouts!

e: nice series! definitely a fun one to watch.

animatorZed fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Nov 10, 2021

DTurtle
Apr 10, 2011


Not just scouts, but game-winning scouts!

Rush never really figured out how to beat those carriers. He won one game against them when they came out very late, but once a couple were out there, he had nothing to stop them with.

Definitely a very good series.

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!



i wanted rush to win until the scout game, then i wanted mini to win lmao

Khorne
May 1, 2002
I hate the youtube commenter that said the person who won wasn't the person they wanted to win

kidding, I thought he was talking about mini. I really wanted mini to win because getting second constantly sucks & he is ahead of the curve in pvz and apparently pvt as well although it seems like his T practice partner(s) were weaker at holding cheeses than Rush is or he underestimated rush's ability to hold them.

It seems like he 100% stuck to his match plan and didn't deviate and ended up pulling through despite some really close calls! The proxy 2 gate game was impressive.

Khorne fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Nov 11, 2021

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
Insane series, oh my god. Glued to my seat for the whole ride.
super happy for Mini!! Absolute innovator, top of his game, bringing new stuff to the strategy side is legit galaxy-brain stuff that I have insane respect for. Especially in a 20-y.o. game like BW. There's so many stand-out moments too! Like the shuttle ferrying up 5 dragoons and killing the starport, the SCOUTS!!! and all that. One for the annals to be sure

mortons stork fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Nov 11, 2021

Heavy_D
Feb 16, 2002

"rararararara" contains the meaning of everything, kept in simple rectangular structures
Also a fan of that carrier and tons of zealots build on Lemon. Is that a map-specific strategy because you have a poo poo-ton of minerals in the main, or a counter to the double-armoury play, or something else?

Elephunk
Dec 6, 2007



Heavy_D posted:

Also a fan of that carrier and tons of zealots build on Lemon. Is that a map-specific strategy because you have a poo poo-ton of minerals in the main, or a counter to the double-armoury play, or something else?

I think that's a style of PvT pioneered by Mini. The casters kept describing "zealot-heavy" as his trademark style on the Scan/Nyoken channel.
Makes sense to me. Looks like muta/ling for a different matchup from a different race!

Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



Heavy_D posted:

Also a fan of that carrier and tons of zealots build on Lemon. Is that a map-specific strategy because you have a poo poo-ton of minerals in the main, or a counter to the double-armoury play, or something else?

Generally Carrier plays have Dragoon heavy armies, the idea being that Carriers kill the tanks and then the dragoons can kill goliaths and vultures while being covered by carriers. I think Mini recognized that Rush was going to try to take a third instead of building vultures with his minerals so he could just smash tank/goliath by going heavy zealot.

Khorne posted:

kidding, I thought he was talking about mini. I really wanted mini to win because getting second constantly sucks & he is ahead of the curve in pvz and apparently pvt as well although it seems like his T practice partner(s) were weaker at holding cheeses than Rush is or he underestimated rush's ability to hold them.

It seems like he 100% stuck to his match plan and didn't deviate and ended up pulling through despite some really close calls! The proxy 2 gate game was impressive.


Cheeses like proxy 2 gate or DT drop are usually callouts on what your opponent is going to do so he probably thought Rush would do something like a gasless expand on Polypoid and skimp on detection on Ascension

Elyv fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Nov 11, 2021

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>
god that was so fuckin hype

Ocean of Milk
Jun 25, 2018

oh yeah
The tournament we've all been waiting for: https://tl.net/forum/bw-tournaments/580987-2800-fs-mania

$2800 Fighting Spirit Mania posted:

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All rounds are bo7 bo7 - this means that each won bo7 gives you 1 point towards the total bo7. This will require you to win 4 bo7s and will result somewhere between 16-49 games per round.
Example: 4-2, 3-4, 4-2, 4-3, 2-4, 4-1
Final score: 4-2 (total score of 21-16 -> 37 games played)
Each round lasts 2 weeks
[...]
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Heavy_D
Feb 16, 2002

"rararararara" contains the meaning of everything, kept in simple rectangular structures
Some news from the off-season. Jaedong's military service is done, and he's back playing on the ladder. Couple of casts from Artosis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2PjcYw5oPw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J18kSJ-e8rI

Elyv
Jun 14, 2013




That is a lot of Fighting Spirit

Nostalgamus
Sep 28, 2010

Artosis has been casting BSL on his channel (Ro. 8 and up)
Just finished the 3rd place match, which is some really good TvZ:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDjaLPKSNIY

Nostalgamus
Sep 28, 2010

One of the weirder TvZ games I've seen (preceded by an extremely short PvZ):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM-BxI-sG9w

anchorpunch
Mar 30, 2006
ASL 13 has started and Scan and Nyoken are casting pretty well. ( https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCkbs-ojM-c_SXsarGvYErcw ). Group D is live now: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MdQCranbvWI

Fozzy The Bear
Dec 11, 1999

Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud

anchorpunch posted:

ASL 13 has started and Scan and Nyoken are casting pretty well. ( https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCkbs-ojM-c_SXsarGvYErcw ). Group D is live now: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MdQCranbvWI

Group D is live and Tastosis has not even posted group A? drat they are slow.

Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



Group D has all the first good games of the tournament

abuse culture.
Sep 8, 2004
Sorry but no tastosis = no watch. Nothing personal, scan

animatorZed
Jan 2, 2008
falling down
They just put up group A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qFtmMct4vQ

e: They mentioned delays were due to travel and they should be caught back up soon.
The actual matches in group A seem... not great so far.

animatorZed fucked around with this message at 08:31 on Feb 17, 2022

Heavy_D
Feb 16, 2002

"rararararara" contains the meaning of everything, kept in simple rectangular structures
Round of 24 tends to be a bit weak - can't be too surprised given that it rotates out the top four seeds for eight lower ranks. Liked watching Barracks at least attempting a hail mary with marines and medics when the early-game harass put him far behind.

Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



There's good games in both group D and E but offhand I don't remember anything that stood out in A-C

animatorZed
Jan 2, 2008
falling down

Heavy_D posted:

Round of 24 tends to be a bit weak - can't be too surprised given that it rotates out the top four seeds for eight lower ranks.

Yeah, makes sense. Probably just had whiplash since the last time I was thinking about starcraft at all was the last season finals which was awesome.

Fellis
Feb 14, 2012

Kid, don't threaten me. There are worse things than death, and uh, I can do all of them.
I’m annoyed barracks got knocked out with a 4-pool, I’ve really liked his play in the race survivor series

Heavy_D
Feb 16, 2002

"rararararara" contains the meaning of everything, kept in simple rectangular structures
Group B
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4tjgq9jwU8
Game 1 thoughts: Real showcase for Light here, the moment he sees the third Nexus he cancels two supply depots to get a four factory timing push out. Not a nailbiter, but a strategic clinic.

animatorZed
Jan 2, 2008
falling down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvj1T1Uyc7g

Not all the way through but group D seems fun so far.

Fozzy The Bear
Dec 11, 1999

Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud
I think it was the third game, group D, it was funny listening to Tastosis basically say "Protoss has the advantage here. Terran now has the clear advantage. The nexus didn't die, I'm scared for the terran. What an odd game."

Brood War is just the best. I feel like these back and forth wars are more common than in any other game.

Heavy_D
Feb 16, 2002

"rararararara" contains the meaning of everything, kept in simple rectangular structures
Group E is out as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRyWJYCtc-8

Game 5 is absolutely crazy! Love to see it.

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!



final group

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRbeFZjak6k

hell of a last match for ro.24 :eyepop:

Fozzy The Bear
Dec 11, 1999

Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud

Heavy_D posted:

Game 5 is absolutely crazy! Love to see it.

drat! You weren't kidding. That map is so huge.

Fellis
Feb 14, 2012

Kid, don't threaten me. There are worse things than death, and uh, I can do all of them.
I'm a little bit behind yeesh

Group D game 1- was incredible great game. Didn't know ggaemo before this but he played near perfect, just a little bit of an overreaction near the end of the contain to a decoy shuttle. But the damage was done already and he had the momentum to follow through. I don't even mind the overreaction, last thing I'd want to do is lose to a hail mary DT drop after playing so well

Group D game 2-

Fozzy The Bear posted:

I think it was the third game, group D, it was funny listening to Tastosis basically say "Protoss has the advantage here. Terran now has the clear advantage. The nexus didn't die, I'm scared for the terran. What an odd game."

Brood War is just the best. I feel like these back and forth wars are more common than in any other game.

Group D game 3- really great back and forth, started by some early game aggression and midgame pickoffs that really make the game play out a little different than expected. recommend!
Group D game 4- matchup is PvP yawn
Group D game 5- just a solid game and again a really interesting transition out of earlygame aggression

The first game definitely sets the tone for this group, highly recommend anyone watch this day for some good starcraft
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvj1T1Uyc7g

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Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



Fellis posted:

I'm a little bit behind yeesh

Fortunately you have a week to catch up, ro16 doesn't start until March

basically my summary is groups a-c are pretty bad and d-f are pretty good for ro24

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