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MrLogan posted:It's been a few decades since Ferrari made good looking cars. They still sell even if they are ugly. Honestly, I'll never be able to afford one but it's still a little sad they look like poo poo these days.
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Olympic Mathlete posted:There's butt. It's fine but we should have banned cheap looking plastics on cars decades ago. cool RX-7
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Maybe it’s just the lighting and paint color but the hood / fender gap looks really big, especially at the top of the wheel arch. I would have thought they would have disguised it in a body line like Audi has done.
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MrLogan posted:It's been a few decades since Ferrari made good looking cars. They still sell even if they are ugly. Tish and pish, cf. the 296GTB
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got off on a technicality posted:Tish and pish, cf. the 296GTB OK I'm listening.... 
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If it has wheel arch treatment, it’s an easy qualifier for being a “light truck” or whatever in the US so you don’t have to give a poo poo about emissions. Which is important since I assume Ferrari wants to sell boats of these.
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Russian Bear posted:If it has wheel arch treatment, it’s an easy qualifier for being a “light truck” or whatever in the US so you don’t have to give a poo poo about emissions. Which is important since I assume Ferrari wants to sell boats of these. Not a thing in the US. The dividing line is 8,500lb GVWR which a Ferrari will never touch. The PT cruiser is is in the SUV EPA class. The Rolls Royce Cullinan is classified as a mid-sized station wagon and this likely will be too. The Nissan Titan tried to stay under the 8,500lb GVWR mark and that resulted in top trim trucks having a hilarious ~1,100lb payload capacity because of their ridiculous curb weight. That's passengers + cargo. A Jeep Grand Cherokee is early 2,000lbs. Powershift fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Feb 22, 2022 |
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Powershift posted:Not a thing in the US. The dividing line is 8,500lb GVWR which a Ferrari will never touch. How is a PT cruiser an SUV? It's GVWR is nowhere near 8,000 lbs.
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Twerk from Home posted:How is a PT cruiser an SUV? It's GVWR is nowhere near 8,000 lbs. it's based on ride height
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Twerk from Home posted:How is a PT cruiser an SUV? It's GVWR is nowhere near 8,000 lbs. 8,500lbs is the point at which vehicles no longer have to be rated for EPA fuel economy, although they still have emissions standards and restrictions. It actually changed in 2011 so the limit for SUVs is 10,000lb gvwr, and pickups need a 71" bed to qualify which is why the Titan stayed under 8,500lbs. The SUV class is still anything under that. Manufacturers choose which class their vehicle is in, i'm not sure how it's determined beyond interior + cargo volume for the "compact/midsize/large" distinction. for example, the BMW M3 is a compact. The Bentley Continental GT is a subcompact. Powershift fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Feb 22, 2022 |
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Ranger Raptor coming to the US. https://twitter.com/jimfarley98/status/1495876695928324096?s=21
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400hp(likely in us spec), locking diffs front and rear, and a real transfer case with low range. 4 link rear with a watt's link Should be awesome. Probably $50k base for the raptor. probably be 5 years before you see one for less than that.
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Gonna anticipate seeing them go for 80k just like base model Broncos are right now.
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Tenchrono posted:Gonna anticipate seeing them go for 80k just like base model Broncos are right now. Could buying a Ranger Raptor for $80K and a regular Bronco for $80K end up being cheaper than buying a Bronco Raptor?
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Zero One posted:Ranger Raptor coming to the US. Ill believe it when someone takes a pic of one on the streets with actual plates. Didnt they say the same thing about the last gen Raptor Ranger? Also just want to throw out that any mid size truck that is due for a refresh soon that is NOT coming out with at least some form of hybrid powerplant or BEV is loving stupid and lazy. Nissan gets a pass on the Frontier. I feel like the world just didnt want them to fail the class after 15+ years and allowed them to turn in what they did just so they can say they tried and be done with it. Franco Caution fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Feb 22, 2022 |
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Apparently if you want an AlfaRomeo they're available. https://jalopnik.com/even-with-the-new-car-supply-shortage-no-one-wants-an-a-1848575002 quote:Alfa Romeos sold in January went for more than $3,400 below MSRP on average — an industry record for the month.
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I feel like the first comment on the article summed up my experience pretty goodquote:"I think this is more a recognition that their vehicles are overpriced. I remember building out a Stelvio Q4 the way I would want one and going "loving how much!?!?!" Its also borderline impossible to find one where I am so I just gave up and continue to jack off to my Porsche Macan GTS dream build 
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I mean I have no aversion to manual seats but the idea that something pitched as a "luxury" vehicle in 2022 wouldn't automatically have both front seats be power-adjust with memory settings is mind-boggling. That kind of thing was common in luxury cars 20 years ago.
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Wait, why wouldn't somebody want a higher power, RWD stripper model? 
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IOwnCalculus posted:I mean I have no aversion to manual seats but the idea that something pitched as a "luxury" vehicle in 2022 wouldn't automatically have both front seats be power-adjust with memory settings is mind-boggling. That kind of thing was common in luxury cars 20 years ago. I usually use my old E39 as a baseline and that had memory seats, auto-levelling xenon headlights and automatic wipers. Not to mention a big honkin' V8 with gobs of torque. If a modern luxury car can't match that, is it luxury?
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Tenchrono posted:Gonna anticipate seeing them go for 80k just like base model Broncos are right now. Ford is cracking down on mark-ups and flipping with the new lightning. It would be interesting if that spreads to other models.
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davecrazy posted:Apparently if you want an AlfaRomeo they're available. I tried last year when they announced some great lease deals, and even though the deals were published on Alfa's website, and dealer lots were stacked with Giulias, every dealer within a few hundred miles said they couldn't offer the manufacturer's pricing or leases. I'm not surprised they don't move cars.
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Powershift posted:Ford is cracking down on mark-ups and flipping with the new lightning. It would be interesting if that spreads to other models. It will be interesting to see if it sticks with the Lightning. Because they basically said the same thing for the Bronco and then ends up watering down any rules or enforcement.
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BraveUlysses posted:it's based on ride height I think it's based on having a flat load floor, not ride height. Powershift posted:8,500lbs is the point at which vehicles no longer have to be rated for EPA fuel economy, although they still have emissions standards and restrictions. It actually changed in 2011 so the limit for SUVs is 10,000lb gvwr, and pickups need a 71" bed to qualify which is why the Titan stayed under 8,500lbs. The EPA classifies size based on interior volume, which is why the Bentley is a subcompact while the smaller and lighter BMW is a compact.
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PeterWeller posted:I think it's based on having a flat load floor, not ride height. I know that, as stated in the post, but i don't know what allows them to quality something as an SUV or wagon or what the benefits would be. As for flat load floor. there doesn't seem to be any consistency there, either. The rules changed in ~2011 which might make some difference, but most of the distinctions see arbitrary. The Dodge Caliber was classified as a station wagon at the same time the Pt cruiser was classified as an SUV The PT cruiser rear seats are level with the rear floor, the caliber they are lower, the cullinan are actually higher. The 5 door impreza is a wagon, the Crosstrek is an SUV Powershift fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Feb 22, 2022 |
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Franco Caution posted:Also just want to throw out that any mid size truck that is due for a refresh soon that is NOT coming out with at least some form of hybrid powerplant or BEV is loving stupid and lazy. I'm pretty sure Ranger isn't getting either of those until Ford can meet demand on the F-150 stuff.
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Oh Im sure of it. And its loving stupid and lazy.
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Franco Caution posted:Ill believe it when someone takes a pic of one on the streets with actual plates. Didnt they say the same thing about the last gen Raptor Ranger? You're not missing out on gently caress all with the current gen Ranger Raptor, it's some 33's, shocks, a bash plate and sports seats combined with the 157kw biturbo 2l diesel you guys get in a Transit. Supposedly the next-gen will have a PHEV version coming 2 years after initial (Edit: rest of world, US won't get the next-gen for a while) launch and maybe an EV version later but I'm skeptical of the latter.
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Franco Caution posted:Oh Im sure of it. And its loving stupid and lazy. I'm pretty sure building fewer electric F-150s so you can build electric Rangers is way stupider than the alternative
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This past weekend at the local auto show I discovered the most ineffectual branding effort ever when I didn't realize the French amalgamation of Chrysler, Jeep, Fiat and Dodge was named Stellantis. I swear, I've never heard that name before and to see all these signs up on the show floor for Stellantis rather than the individual marquees was really weird.
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If the world was cool, Stellantis would be working on bringing Citroen and the Ami over to America. Instead, the directionless amalgamation of brands has decided to starve Chrysler, Dodge*, and Ram of new product while launching awful body-on-frame SUVs and trying to convince Americans that they should want Alfa Romeo cars. * Dodge is getting a new compact CUV, but it is a rebadged Alfa Tonale. Who lets a word that can easily be mistaken for toenail be the name of a brand new model? The only possible silver lining is that the powers-that-be have figured out that American buyers are never going to be on board with Alfa. PBCrunch fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Feb 23, 2022 |
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Q_res posted:I'm pretty sure building fewer electric F-150s so you can build electric Rangers is way stupider than the alternative Not saying this needs to steal away resources from the F150 in order to exist. Just that the planning or option should be there. Ford shouldnt stop thinking about electric powertrains because doing so would result in fewer F150s. Thats dumb. All new vehicles should in some capacity have a Hybrid or BEV version planned or available.
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There is supposed to be a PHEV Ranger for Europe and Australasia 'by 2024'
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Powershift posted:I know that, as stated in the post, but i don't know what allows them to quality something as an SUV or wagon or what the benefits would be. My state's registration office classifies my Kia Soul EV as a "utility vehicle". No idea. Fueleconomy.gov says Small Station Wagon though. 
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PBCrunch posted:If the world was cool, Stellantis would be working on bringing Citroen and the Ami over to America. you should be grateful that it's a name and not some dumb alphanumeric garbage
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Ive always assumed that in 10 years or so there was going to be one of these deep dives investigations into just how this whole Alfa Romeo thing in the US happened. Money Laundering scheme? Did someone high up get a child kidnapped and the only way to get them back was to push the Alfa Romeo brand? Year after year it makes no sense. I think in all my trips to a poo poo load of cities I've maybe seen like 40 of them on the streets, tops. And that's me being generous because there was an outdoor mall plaza one time in Vegas where I saw like 6 of them at once. Every single "cars that you can get at a significant discount" post features them. They also have a stigma of being maintenance and problem nightmares even if that isnt 100% true. Manufactures get rid of models and brands all the time, and even with this it seems like the powers that be are still like "All in. More Alfa Romeo."
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bringing back Alfa made sense at a strategic level because it covers a segment that FCA did not cover in the US and the brand actually has fairly good equity as a sporty luxury brand now practically speaking did it make sense to bring back the brand with a single product in a dying, highly competitive segment? no
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I have to laugh - one of the lawyers that works in our building has 3 of the small Alfa suvs. Red, White, and Blue.
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