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Fruits of the sea posted:I was unaware Bethesda even had a launcher? Is it something that was introduced after Skyrim? They called it Bethesda.NET They mandated it for Fallout 76 at first, they tried for some other games (Doom Eternal I believe being one) but gave up due to public backlash. I only used it to play and laugh at the Fallout 76 beta, but it wasn't particularly bad. It was just a generic front end for a web store, kind of like the Rockstar one. No good reason for it to exist.
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If I remember correctly, they decided to do it after the fiasco of trying to monetize mods on Steam.
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Mordja posted:There weren't ever any exclusive games for the launcher, right, it was just another one of those vestigial front-ends? The original plan was for all their games to be exclusive to BETHNET but had to back off from that after the backlash.
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Jagged Jim posted:The original plan was for all their games to be exclusive to BETHNET but had to back off from that after the backlash. It didn't help that their launch title was a complete carcrash. At the end of the day, I'd probably have caved in for TES6, but then, by the time this releases, even Steam will have died and Star Citizen will be about to launch their beta.
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K8.0 posted:They called it Bethesda.NET I still have it for Doom Eternal and the coop Wolfenstein, it's just kinda there, like the half dozen others. Doesn't ask for permissions seven times like uplay does.
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Can't believe Gabe is sanctioning Russian CS|GO players by stopping them selling their fast knives.
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I think I bought Rage 2 on that launcher. That game was garbage.
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The Chad Jihad posted:Hero's Hour is a pixel Heroes of Might and Magic clone with real time battles https://store.steampowered.com/app/1656780/Heros_Hour/  
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If you're releasing a clone of a game nearly thirty years later, you drat well better have better graphics. I'm getting real sick of people using 'retro' as an excuse to shovel out stuff wouldn't have flown on the SNES.
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Serephina posted:If you're releasing a clone of a game nearly thirty years later, you drat well better have better graphics. I'm getting real sick of people using 'retro' as an excuse to shovel out stuff wouldn't have flown on the SNES.
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When it comes to the bottom end of Indie dev, it's just radically more economic to go low fidelity. If you're a 1 person team making your 'dream game' outside your full time job, do you want to spend 10 hours or 40 hours per week on art? On top of coding, testing, audio etc. Even if you're a 5-20 person studio with some funding, you're probably not spending a significant chunk of that funding on your art team. Also it's always nice to keep file sizes down, which admittedly is nowhere near as important as it used to be, but I still love seeing XX-XXX MB when I install random indie games on Steam. And actually if you are publishing on mobile, it is more of a concern there than on a PC.
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The United States posted:Those graphics would have flown on the SNES They wouldn't have. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1KU8WEagh4 Even gameboy games tried harder. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enkg2a-hPIg
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Wiltsghost posted:I think I bought Rage 2 on that launcher. That game was garbage. Rage 2 was actually pretty cool when it gave you mooks to kill... but whenever it had you drive anywhere at all the fun factor kind of plummeted for me the longer I was in a vehicle.
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The Wandering Village is pretty nice. Really good looking, great music. I spent a good amount of time playing simply watching my village walk around the map while waiting for my little hand-animated villagers to build things - and zooming in was a joy because it all tilts and you get lovely little diorama-style scenes. I got absolutely destroyed by toxic plants though - they are no joke. Nova Islands is Forager but a little jankier. Perestroika posted:I've just played through the demo and liked it a whole lot. The gameplay is solid and I appreciated how the tutorial isn't too handholdy. But I particularly enjoyed the story and its presentation. The idea of some self-aggrandazing techbro CEO deciding that only he is enough of a visionary to save humanity by some harebrained scheme, and then ending up making everything worse by literally blowing up the moon during an over-produced publicity event is just pitch-perfect.
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Deakul posted:Rage 2 was actually pretty cool when it gave you mooks to kill... but whenever it had you drive anywhere at all the fun factor kind of plummeted for me the longer I was in a vehicle. Rage 2 is fun when it's Doom with superpowers and bad all the rest of the time edit: Especially when it's trying to be Borderlands
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The United States posted:Upcoming big-name Annapurna Interactive-published indie FPS by the maker of Donut County, NEON WHITE has a demo Fired up the demo and ended up getting all the gold medals in one sitting, and all the Ace medals in the next - game owns The screenshots/videos make the combat look like a bigger focus than it actually is, the actual game plays more like FPS Trackmania* - short levels with signposted routes where you quickly discover shortcuts and sicknasty movement tricks, and where you restart nearly instantly after failing (*Yes I know Shootmania exists)
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Det_no posted:They wouldn't have.
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It's more like PS2 graphics, really.
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The United States posted:Yeah they would, most SNES games didn't look that great I mean if we are judging by the metric of ugly games then yeah, I guess that's an argument. Ugly SNES games did, in fact, look ugly. Just like this new game.
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How many people are there who would have bought Hero's Hour if it had AAA graphics, but won't buy it because it just has pixel art? Obviously there will be some, but it's quite obvious why a small studio would assume this group of people is never going to repay the cost of upgrading the graphics. Probably the target audience for this genre of games also tend to not care as much about graphics as fans of some other genres might. I'm looking forward to The Iron Oath. The demo made it quite clear that it's Battle Brothers with some new ideas, and that's plenty for me to wishlist it. Hopefully the price setting is decent.
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Det_no posted:I mean if we are judging by the metric of ugly games then yeah, I guess that's an argument. And as pixel art indies go, Hero's Hour looks fine too. Sure they could improve it but it's not like some ugly abomination.  I will say the one thing that it does that always looks ugly no matter what is mix different pixel sizes/grids together, so you have stuff at entirely different scaling levels right next to each other. But it doesn't do it that much, it's barely there. Assepoester fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Feb 22, 2022 |
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It's not that Hero's Hour has pixel graphics, it's that it's butt fugly that's the problem. I'm actually looking forward to that Soul-diers game which is very heavily pixel stuff, except that it actually looks great. As for the Hero's Hour audience... well, HOMM2/3 where not very high res, but they where gorgeous. Even other titles such as the older Age of Wonders may not have been as polished but they where still dang pretty. I bought several HOMM remasters and spiritual sequels, but HH is a hard pass.
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Only thing that looks "wrong" to me are the absolute untextured patches of gray, green, and white there. Add a little detail just to break it up and make it more interesting! The mountains and trees and buildings all look fine IMO
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I don't think it looks too bad either. I like how colourful it is.
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Yeah I think it looks really nice? I get not liking the style but I think this is different than some pixel art games that don't try anything - this is at least a coherent style of some sort.
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gently caress I need to see if I still have this game its been too long
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it looks kind of Stardew Valley-ish to me, which isn't bad
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i agree that the pixel art is too busy. like each individual piece looks like it's great with a good amount of detail but together the whole map reads like it's a bunch of individual tiles placed together rather than a coherent landscape, so for me it's visually quite busy and slow to read due to a tree having the same graphical importance as a treasure chest.
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The United States posted:
I don't think the game looks particularly awful but I'm a real stickler about pixel art, this is my biggest pixel art pet peeve and it's actually pretty bad about this in the demo. Here's the menu when starting a new game:  I added the pink squares to highlight the six different pixel scales visible on this screen, and I noticed a seventh after posting it (there are two different pixel scale sizes for the 'large' units, the brown humanoid in the top right and the big dragon thing below it highlight it pretty well) e: Oh, and the attack/slash animation particles in the bottom right arguably make #8 since they're 'natural' pixel sizes but not part of the UI, which is the only other place natural pixel sizes are used. e2: to the game's credit, there's some neat visual stuff going on, like bigger flying units picking up smaller units, carrying them in to the air and dropping them. deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Feb 23, 2022 |
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rather than play the demos i installed, i went looking for more demos. here's some more interesting stuff i saw https://store.steampowered.com/app/1769980/Mask_of_the_Rose/ - new failbetter game, a romance/murder investigation VN in the Fallen London universe https://store.steampowered.com/app/1687960/The_Wreck/ - time-travel story game by the Bury Me My Love dev https://store.steampowered.com/app/1709870/Spirited_Thief/ - turn-based stealth game with a ghost pal who can scout ahead for you https://store.steampowered.com/app/1501610/Nova_Islands/ - forager-style game by the dev of Mana Spark https://store.steampowered.com/app/1841380/Writers_Block/ - Bookworm Adventures style roguelite by the dev of Adventures of Pip https://store.steampowered.com/app/1424690/Hatchwell/ - zelda-like https://store.steampowered.com/app/1655890/Sokobos/ - Sokoban meets Greek tragedy https://store.steampowered.com/app/1703610/I_Just_Want_to_be_Single/ - anti-dating sim with an ace NB protag (note: set in high school) https://store.steampowered.com/app/1746590/Crystal_Story_Dawn_of_Dusk/ - SNES-style action RPG https://store.steampowered.com/app/1651030/Dandy__Randy_DX/ - seems to be a modern take on the SNES co-op Goof Troop game https://store.steampowered.com/app/1724770/Castle_Of_Alchemists/ - 2D orcs must die? https://store.steampowered.com/app/1126210/the_machine_that_BREATHES/ - RE-style pixel art game with a e s t h e t i c https://store.steampowered.com/app/1219240/BioGun/ - Hollow Knight but with guns and inside a dog's body https://store.steampowered.com/app/1596350/Spiritlink_Tactics/ - another isometric pixel tactics game. ppl have high standards for these so i have no idea if this is any good or not https://store.steampowered.com/app/1553140/Where_The_Heart_Leads/ - narrative adventure by, of all devs, the Recore team. was previously a ps4 exclusive
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The 7th Guest posted:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1596350/Spiritlink_Tactics/ - another isometric pixel tactics game. ppl have high standards for these so i have no idea if this is any good or not I want a good new isometric pixel tactics game very badly but ugh  A 60 second trailer that shows nothing but extremely generic, glacially slow attack animations. A "deep multi-class system" that lets you pick two different classes which have three skills each, and a narrative focus.Why do indie devs keep making such soulless isometric pixel tactics games that have no effort put into the parts that makes isometric pixel tactics games fun  Something squarely in the middle between FFT and Disgaea would be rad as hell but we'll never get it. Somehow Xenonauts will forever remain the only good indie isometric tactics game 
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deep dish peat moss posted:I want a good new isometric pixel tactics game very badly but ugh There is going to be a FFT remaster soon if the leaked are to be believed (they’ve been correct so far) so I’d just wait for that.
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There have been so many bad FFT / Ogre tactics clones on Steam, having an actual proper sequel will splatter the market for the next half decade, kinda like how nuXCOM did for all the lovely X-com wannabes.
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Serephina posted:There have been so many bad FFT / Ogre tactics clones on Steam, having an actual proper sequel will splatter the market for the next half decade, kinda like how nuXCOM did for all the lovely X-com wannabes. Why hasn't there been a FFT sequel anyway? It is not like Squenix is shy about releasing FF titles.
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More modern looking 2D sprites rather than "pixel art" IMO, but I did play Fel Seal: Arbiter's Mark 2 years ago and felt like that was a pretty solid Tactics game.
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Sab669 posted:More modern looking 2D sprites rather than "pixel art" IMO, but I did play Fel Seal: Arbiter's Mark 2 years ago and felt like that was a pretty solid Tactics game. Yeah it seems pretty neat. Honestly the only one I enjoyed. I tried Fae Tactics but it didn't click with me for some reason.
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ZearothK posted:Why hasn't there been a FFT sequel anyway? It is not like Squenix is shy about releasing FF titles.
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