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Sanctum
Feb 14, 2005

Property was their religion
A church for one

Invalid Validation posted:

Is the company dumb for only hiring minimum staff or the person who works so much that they don’t see a reason to hire more people?
This is a valid criticism and I got see why when I left that position. I was working around the problem in a way I felt was fair by automatically approving overtime for anyone that wanted to come in early or stay late. On slow days management wanted me to send people working overtime home - leaving me with a skeleton crew. I would cite the union contract which specifies how many people I should have and tell management there's no way I'm sending anyone home. The guys deserved those easy days.

The supervisor who took over after me did not give one flying gently caress. :toot: Dude was awesome. He let that operation fall to pieces. Every time upper management came over to yell at him he'd shrug and say he's understaffed. Can't blame the supervisor for those delays when he is understaffed after all. After months of major issues, the company tripled the staff. But management dragged their feet too long before making changes, so the operation lost half their business to another company by the time they'd finally fixed staffing. Did letting things turn to poo poo and causing the company to lose business improve their working conditions? Yes, absolutely.

Don't be shy about letting your company crash and burn. The best way to fight a bad policy is not to work around it.

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Zil
Jun 4, 2011

Satanically Summoned Citrus


Azuth0667 posted:

Embrace the end times and declare yourself pestilence.

Praise papa nurgle!

Orvin
Sep 9, 2006




Sanctum posted:

This is a valid criticism and I got see why when I left that position. I was working around the problem in a way I felt was fair by automatically approving overtime for anyone that wanted to come in early or stay late. On slow days management wanted me to send people working overtime home - leaving me with a skeleton crew. I would cite the union contract which specifies how many people I should have and tell management there's no way I'm sending anyone home. The guys deserved those easy days.

The supervisor who took over after me did not give one flying gently caress. :toot: Dude was awesome. He let that operation fall to pieces. Every time upper management came over to yell at him he'd shrug and say he's understaffed. Can't blame the supervisor for those delays when he is understaffed after all. After months of major issues, the company tripled the staff. But management dragged their feet too long before making changes, so the operation lost half their business to another company by the time they'd finally fixed staffing. Did letting things turn to poo poo and causing the company to lose business improve their working conditions? Yes, absolutely.

Don't be shy about letting your company crash and burn. The best way to fight a bad policy is not to work around it.

Similar circumstance is going on where I work, a 24x7 utility operations. We have been short of staff since the start of 2021 when an HR change encouraged about 20% of our department to retire slightly ahead of schedule. The shift managers have been keep things patched together by themselves covering vacations and sick leave for the dispatchers. While we have a crop of trainees working their way up, at best they are going to replace the people it’s looking like we are going to loose this year.

I have been preaching for awhile that until there is pain for the rest of the company, nothing will change. I recognize that the shift managers care, and don’t want to deny people their time off (also, some people will walk if they can’t get their time off). And that the shift managers refusing to cover dispatcher shifts will absolutely suck and potentially require more OT or vacant desks (and more work for those on a shift). But until work starts getting cancelled because there is no one to do it, the direct can drag his feet on raises and/or finding other solutions to fixing the current problem.

I am just hoping I can hop ship to a day shift position before any one else leaves. It’s just that HR drags it’s feet on everything.

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

We finally axed the RSA tokens for the old domain in favor of the new one, and for months company-wide emails have been sent out saying "THESE tokens will not work after February 17th, you need to use THOSE tokens. If you don't have one of THOSE tokens, here's how to request one."

The deadline's come and gone, the cutover happened, so of course there's a ton of "My token won't work!" tickets and much "Well, I didn't get these multiple emails that were sent to literally everyone in our company!"

Also a ton of requests for the old tokens. Those we close with the text of the email that was sent out with full instructions on what to do... And pretty much everyone I've closed has prompted a "Why was this closed? What am I supposed to do?" email from the user who requested it. They also send the email by replying to the automated email saying that the ticket was closed... Automated emails that include the notes we put in saying why the request was closed....

Takes No Damage
Nov 20, 2004

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.


Grimey Drawer

Dr. Gargunza posted:

Welp, we just got the official "easing of COVID restrictions" email from HR and if they think that's going to stop me from wearing a mask in the office they're nuts. If I could turn my desk into a clean room, I would. I absolutely do not trust any of these motherfuckers not to get me sick with a cold, let alone COVID.

Big Same. We just got our dates, and while they say masks will be required when not at your desk we all know how that's going to go. The only thing I'm still on the fence about is if I'm going to narc people out to HR when I see them mouthbreathing all over the breakroom :zombie:

Cthulu Carl posted:

We finally axed the RSA tokens for the old domain in favor of the new one, and for months company-wide emails have been sent out saying "THESE tokens will not work after February 17th, you need to use THOSE tokens. If you don't have one of THOSE tokens, here's how to request one."

The deadline's come and gone, the cutover happened, so of course there's a ton of "My token won't work!" tickets and much "Well, I didn't get these multiple emails that were sent to literally everyone in our company!"

Also a ton of requests for the old tokens. Those we close with the text of the email that was sent out with full instructions on what to do... And pretty much everyone I've closed has prompted a "Why was this closed? What am I supposed to do?" email from the user who requested it. They also send the email by replying to the automated email saying that the ticket was closed... Automated emails that include the notes we put in saying why the request was closed....

Every time that happens spin off a new case, re copy/paste the same directions and close the new case, watch your numbers skyrocket. This is case metrics GOLD Jerry!

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

Takes No Damage posted:

Every time that happens spin off a new case, re copy/paste the same directions and close the new case, watch your numbers skyrocket. This is case metrics GOLD Jerry!

No need. No one bothered to tell the off-shored service desk (or maybe someone did, but they don't care, it's 50/50 which happened), so they've been sending us all the tickets for us to close with a canned response. Bing bong, so simple.

Dr. Gargunza
May 19, 2011

He damned me for a eunuch,
and my mother for a whore.



Fun Shoe

Takes No Damage posted:

Big Same. We just got our dates, and while they say masks will be required when not at your desk we all know how that's going to go. The only thing I'm still on the fence about is if I'm going to narc people out to HR when I see them mouthbreathing all over the breakroom :zombie:

I'd love to tattle on the superspreaders, but A] everyone would know it was me and B] there's not really anyone to narc to. Most of our management staff have been gleefully wandering around mask-free since last week, and apparently now some of the sub-managers have a floating-desk policy. Got to spend most of the day near one of them, and he's not only ecstatic about breathing all over the place, he's the kind of dudebro who hears that someone doesn't listen to Joe Rogan and listens twice as hard to make up for them.

On the plus side, we're in the glide path of a municipal airport runway, so maybe one of these days a Cessna will finally tear the roof off the sucker. Gotta have dreams, right?

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
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Azuth0667 posted:

Embrace the end times and declare yourself pestilence.

Nice try nurgle.\

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Zil posted:

Praise papa nurgle!

gently caress!

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT
Heard my boss reciting the new boomer mantra today. "No one wants to work anymore!" Out of all the dining halls on campus, ours is the only one with a staffing problem and it's because he's spent years pissing everybody off. Somebody that he pissed off in the office that decides where student employees get assigned has been loving with him all year, with no signs of relenting. This, in turn, fucks me and all my coworkers over.

With Covid having at least one person out each week, I wonder what happens when it gets worse and we simply have too many people out to even function.

DreadUnknown
Nov 4, 2020

Bird is the word.
Hey my FOM has been telling that exact thing to guests when they ask why the restaraunt isnt staffed, I wish I could get him to knock it the gently caress off.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:

DreadUnknown posted:

Hey my FOM has been telling that exact thing to guests when they ask why the restaraunt isnt staffed, I wish I could get him to knock it the gently caress off.

'Because you tip like poo poo and noone wants to serve you' is simple and easy to understand, but replace 'tip' with 'pay' and everyone* loses their mind.

*Over the age of 45.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




Animal-Mother posted:

Heard my boss reciting the new boomer mantra today. "No one wants to work anymore!" Out of all the dining halls on campus, ours is the only one with a staffing problem and it's because he's spent years pissing everybody off. Somebody that he pissed off in the office that decides where student employees get assigned has been loving with him all year, with no signs of relenting. This, in turn, fucks me and all my coworkers over.

With Covid having at least one person out each week, I wonder what happens when it gets worse and we simply have too many people out to even function.

If I know one thing about college dining halls it's that they never shut down no matter how dysfunctional they are.

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT

Fitzy Fitz posted:

If I know one thing about college dining halls it's that they never shut down no matter how dysfunctional they are.

That's certainly our current modus operandi, but we got a taste of freedom the last couple years. In April of 2020, we shut down after the school told all the kids to get lost. For various union contract reasons, they wouldn't lay us off, but they also wouldn't pay us to stay home, so we spent about a year coming to the dining hall to do nothing every day. Boomer boss was furious when we started bringing in video games to play. Video games, in particular, seem to make many of the olds uniquely furious.

boar guy
Jan 25, 2007

love 2 b on zoom calls with 65 people in 2022 where someone thinks it's appropriate to use the phrase "no homo" in an open meeting

tater_salad
Sep 15, 2007


boar guy posted:

love 2 b on zoom calls with 65 people in 2022 where someone thinks it's appropriate to use the phrase "no homo" in an open meeting

this is like just a bunch of ppl drinking in a non-work related happy hour call right?

if not it sounds like someone needs to be reported.

MrQwerty
Apr 15, 2003

LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL
(づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ♥(‘∀’●)



Someone came to the smoking area over the weekend and tipped over/smashed to pieces all the concrete furniture where I hang out with skunks at 3:30 in the morning.

Like, a concrete bench, smashed to pieces. Whatever crackheads did this poo poo put in WORK.

We're shuttering around October so I guess that's that.



edit: all of that furniture is asset tagged lol

MrQwerty fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Feb 23, 2022

Zopotantor
Feb 24, 2013

...und ist er drin dann lassen wir ihn niemals wieder raus...

Dr. Gargunza posted:

I'd love to tattle on the superspreaders, but A] everyone would know it was me and B] there's not really anyone to narc to. Most of our management staff have been gleefully wandering around mask-free since last week, and apparently now some of the sub-managers have a floating-desk policy. Got to spend most of the day near one of them, and he's not only ecstatic about breathing all over the place, he's the kind of dudebro who hears that someone doesn't listen to Joe Rogan and listens twice as hard to make up for them.

On the plus side, we're in the glide path of a municipal airport runway, so maybe one of these days a Cessna will finally tear the roof off the sucker. Gotta have dreams, right?

Be the change you want to see, get a pilot’s license.

Scientastic
Mar 1, 2010

TRULY scientastic.
🔬🍒


boar guy posted:

love 2 b on zoom calls with 65 people in 2022 where someone thinks it's appropriate to use the phrase "no homo" in an open meeting

There've been some incredible things posted in this thread, but this is painful


Only one proper response

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

*coworkers hugging to celebrate return to office* this is beyond parody

boar guy
Jan 25, 2007

tater_salad posted:

this is like just a bunch of ppl drinking in a non-work related happy hour call right?

if not it sounds like someone needs to be reported.

absolutely not, monday (well tuesday this week due to the holiday) morning sales scrum, we in marketing sit in on it

previous iterations have included the sales guys joking about getting hit on by *gasp* dudes in bathrooms and other such uproarious tales

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:
Regardless of sexual identity, gender or preference it's not really cool to hit on people in the bathroom. That's a safe space you go to gently caress after you've hit on someone. Or to poo poo and piss if you're a shameless barbarian.

Lazyfire
Feb 4, 2006

God saves. Satan Invests

Trainee PornStar posted:

I feel the better answer is to know where IT hold their stock of poorly inventoried laptops.

It would be a bloody shame if some unauthorised/unnoticed person could access said laptops.

You would think that after the time someone had their company laptop disappear in a Chinese airport that we would have a tighter clamp on hardware, but somehow there are a dozen "spare" or "loaner" laptops that I know of that were never collected after they were refreshed. My boss has two and they are both still able to access the network. I no longer find that weird simply because the group I work for does all sorts of poo poo that should probably get people fired with regards to network access. One of the guys who took the retirement package when COVID hit always emailed me from "mark@mark.biz" which I thought was weird because 1) it's against company rules to use your personal email for work stuff and 2) who registers that domain? I found out after a few months that when the military sent us back a server to be decommissioned Mark decided that it would be a shame to trash all this hardware and instead turned it into a personal email server hooked into our company network. He apparently wanted to take it home with him when he retired and probably would have tried to wheel it out if anyone were allowed into the office at that time.

tater_salad
Sep 15, 2007


Lazyfire posted:

You would think that after the time someone had their company laptop disappear in a Chinese airport that we would have a tighter clamp on hardware, but somehow there are a dozen "spare" or "loaner" laptops that I know of that were never collected after they were refreshed. My boss has two and they are both still able to access the network. I no longer find that weird simply because the group I work for does all sorts of poo poo that should probably get people fired with regards to network access.

1. Corporate poo poo disappears from china all the time I've read at times that companies issue "China laptops" that are expected to be bugged / infected with keyloggers or other spyware, "stolen" etc.

2. Our company has a policy of if a laptop is not authenticated / and touches "home" via vpn within 30 days or something it gets a self-wipe / can't be used / is denied access to VPN etc.

BOOTY-ADE
Aug 30, 2006

BIG KOOL TELLIN' Y'ALL TO KEEP IT TIGHT
Myself & 3 guys on my team had to work from home all last week due to exposure to someone with COVID (I got all 3 shots so I wasn't worried & was masked up but I'd been in close contact). Company sent out an email detailing what floor it was on & to be extra cautious, mask up, etc., the usual protocols.

A couple days later, another email comes out: basically since our city got rid of mask mandates, now everyone can go mask free on their floors. But please still mask up in the cafeteria & lobby if you're meeting up with anyone.

I just...I have no words :psyduck:

Lazyfire
Feb 4, 2006

God saves. Satan Invests

tater_salad posted:

1. Corporate poo poo disappears from china all the time I've read at times that companies issue "China laptops" that are expected to be bugged / infected with keyloggers or other spyware, "stolen" etc.

2. Our company has a policy of if a laptop is not authenticated / and touches "home" via vpn within 30 days or something it gets a self-wipe / can't be used / is denied access to VPN etc.

Our company has a specific China laptop policy. You register for one like a month in advance and get a fresh one and a USB drive to load whatever presentations or files you need on there (after they are reviewed and approved for export) and you drop off everything as soon as you get back so they can wipe it. The laptop lost in China had a bunch of documents and drawings for military programs loaded on it that shouldn't have been there. We now have such strict exporting procedures that if we need to move material between one site and another, literally two company offices in one city carried by a company employee, that everything from the part being moved to the bag it's wrapped in and any documents going with it need to be reviewed by an export representative and get approved by a team that will scrutinize the request to an insane degree.

This has led to people on my team just...not filling out the forms or doing any of the work they're supposed to because it takes too much time.

Takes No Damage
Nov 20, 2004

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.


Grimey Drawer
Can't steal my work if I don't do any bing bong so simple.

vyst
Aug 25, 2009



boar guy posted:

love 2 b on zoom calls with 65 people in 2022 where someone thinks it's appropriate to use the phrase "no homo" in an open meeting

I've been hearing a lot of "Silence is acceptance" which is real gross too

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Sanctum posted:

This is a valid criticism and I got see why when I left that position. I was working around the problem in a way I felt was fair by automatically approving overtime for anyone that wanted to come in early or stay late. On slow days management wanted me to send people working overtime home - leaving me with a skeleton crew. I would cite the union contract which specifies how many people I should have and tell management there's no way I'm sending anyone home. The guys deserved those easy days.

The supervisor who took over after me did not give one flying gently caress. :toot: Dude was awesome. He let that operation fall to pieces. Every time upper management came over to yell at him he'd shrug and say he's understaffed. Can't blame the supervisor for those delays when he is understaffed after all. After months of major issues, the company tripled the staff. But management dragged their feet too long before making changes, so the operation lost half their business to another company by the time they'd finally fixed staffing. Did letting things turn to poo poo and causing the company to lose business improve their working conditions? Yes, absolutely.

Don't be shy about letting your company crash and burn. The best way to fight a bad policy is not to work around it.

This is the reason I tell everyone on my team to never work overtime and if they work late one day then take the time back. Routine overtime crushes teams and is just unsustainable in the long term.

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost

Orvin posted:

I have been preaching for awhile that until there is pain for the rest of the company, nothing will change.

This is so true. Don't stress yourself out trying to keep a lovely system from failing. Failure is the best teacher.

Batterypowered7
Aug 8, 2009

The mist that chills you keeps me warm.

vyst posted:

I've been hearing a lot of "Silence is acceptance" which is real gross too

As in "silence is consenting"?

vyst
Aug 25, 2009



Batterypowered7 posted:

As in "silence is consenting"?

The rational side of me hopes they dont mean it that way, but in a very diverse group of people with varying experiences and what not you can pick better phrasing. Who knows maybe i'm reading too much into it because i'm terminally online.

marxismftw
Apr 16, 2010

vyst posted:

The rational side of me hopes they dont mean it that way, but in a very diverse group of people with varying experiences and what not you can pick better phrasing. Who knows maybe i'm reading too much into it because i'm terminally online.

So is there any context? That statement could mean so many different things....

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:
Yeah, I mean if we couldn't say 'do we pass the motion? Speak up or well assume you motion to pass' I think I'd literally start screaming at the webcam.

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost

marxismftw posted:

So is there any context? That statement could mean so many different things....

Most people are terrible at facilitating effective meetings. Tons of people will ask the question "Is everyone OK with this change?" and since tons of people are either barely paying attention because the meeting is boring or because they're messaging someone on the side or doing other work they don't say anything. What meeting facilitators should do instead is ask "Are there any objections to this change?" It's not perfect but it opens up space for people who are actually paying attention to voice concerns. When you ask "Is everyone OK with this?" it implies that there is an expectation that everyone says "Yes!" as a chorus or some weird poo poo.

Karia
Mar 27, 2013

Self-portrait, Snake on a Plane
Oil painting, c. 1482-1484
Leonardo DaVinci (1452-1591)

Apparently my boss is trying to get cameras put into the shop from some machine-learning company to watch safety violations. Stuff like not wearing safety glasses or trips/falls, that sort of thing. The company claims they'll blur out the faces before doing any analysis, but A) that's wholly insufficient for respecting privacy, and B) gently caress if I believe they'll even do that. Even ignoring the fact that this is a slippery slope into a dystopian nightmare, it's a terrible idea: you can't automate your way into a culture of safety. If you're really that concerned about trips and falls, why not train your software to proactively look for spills or trip hazards, rather than texting upper management whenever somebody trips over an extension cord? What the gently caress.

InsertPotPun
Apr 16, 2018

Pissy Bitch stan

Karia posted:

Apparently my boss is trying to get cameras put into the shop from some machine-learning company to watch safety violations. Stuff like not wearing safety glasses or trips/falls, that sort of thing. The company claims they'll blur out the faces before doing any analysis, but A) that's wholly insufficient for respecting privacy, and B) gently caress if I believe they'll even do that. Even ignoring the fact that this is a slippery slope into a dystopian nightmare, it's a terrible idea: you can't automate your way into a culture of safety. If you're really that concerned about trips and falls, why not train your software to proactively look for spills or trip hazards, rather than texting upper management whenever somebody trips over an extension cord? What the gently caress.
then you can't penalize workers. i believe amazon trucks have the same system and they're constantly getting "dinged" for people cutting them off or reacting to emergency situations.

Baron Fuzzlewhack
Sep 22, 2010

ALIVE ENOUGH TO DIE
My boss is a textbook manipulator and absolutely loves to DM people in Slack instead using public channels so that she can isolate and gaslight people. She's done this consistently to the production manager for years, but they recently spun off part of that manager's responsibilities into a new personnel manager so the other one can actually focus on production.

The past two weeks she's been DMing both of them separately to discuss the same topic, but with slightly tweaked information/requests for each one. She ended up claiming the personnel manager signed off on something that the production manager was telling her they couldn't do, but she kept pushing back saying it was fine and the personnel manager said it could be done (he didn't, and of course these two managers talk to each other about this stuff).

It was only yesterday that she finally met with the personnel manager in person and realized... the production and personnel managers share the same office. They sit like ten feet away from each other.

SkyeAuroline
Nov 12, 2020

Karia posted:

Stuff like not wearing safety glasses

The company claims they'll blur out the faces before doing any analysis,

hmmm

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Baron Fuzzlewhack posted:

My boss is a textbook manipulator and absolutely loves to DM people in Slack instead using public channels so that she can isolate and gaslight people. She's done this consistently to the production manager for years, but they recently spun off part of that manager's responsibilities into a new personnel manager so the other one can actually focus on production.

The past two weeks she's been DMing both of them separately to discuss the same topic, but with slightly tweaked information/requests for each one. She ended up claiming the personnel manager signed off on something that the production manager was telling her they couldn't do, but she kept pushing back saying it was fine and the personnel manager said it could be done (he didn't, and of course these two managers talk to each other about this stuff).

It was only yesterday that she finally met with the personnel manager in person and realized... the production and personnel managers share the same office. They sit like ten feet away from each other.

I've had a VP like that. Her management style was "cage match" which I assume was to make sure none of us got together and ganged up on her weaponized incompetence.

It happens. I liked her and still do as a person. She was just a poo poo manager who was promoted beyond her ability.

(just like me right now, but I choose to just do nothing rather than make chaos)

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Sanctum
Feb 14, 2005

Property was their religion
A church for one
When my company wanted to put GPS trackers in all company vehicles (which are only used on the airport tarmac) the union pushed back hard against GPS tracking and blocked it. I just wanted to know where equipment was so I don't have to search the whole airport looking for one piece of equipment that's due for routine maintenance. I didn't get the privacy concern until I talked to my old union bros. You're at work in a company vehicle that cannot leave the worksite, what's the problem?

Turns out in europe the same company uses a program to monitor the average speed of all vehicles using GPS data and integrate that with the dispatching software so when you speed it will report: the employee ID, vehicle ID, time, location, and estimated speed. Then makes a log of incidents and well yeah... all that metadata that totally wont be used against employees whenever it suits the company. :allears:

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