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Genghis Cohen posted:What's the 'Fake Irishman' thing? O'Brian spent much of his life implying he was Irish when he actually wasn't https://www.irishtimes.com/news/famous-non-irish-irishman-left-questioners-at-sea-when-they-asked-about-his-origins-1.231500
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Jack Aubrey -- Sam Eagle Stephen Maturin -- Kermit Lt. Pullings -- Gonzo Lt. Mowett -- Fozzie Captain Howard - Rowlf the Dog Peter Calamy -- Scooter Mr. Allen -- ??? Mr. Hollum -- Walter William Blakeney - ??? Barret Bonden -- Animal Killick -- Pepe the Prawn Awkward Davies -- Bobo the Bear fill in the blanks
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Dec 27, 2021 03:55
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that needs to happen
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Dec 27, 2021 04:01
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If anything, Jack has Fozzie's sense of humor.
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Dec 27, 2021 04:05
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Do you think Fozzie is ready for a lead dramatic role?
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Dec 27, 2021 04:17
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Sweetums could play Padeen.
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Dec 27, 2021 04:17
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My favourite answer to the "turn the entire cast into muppets except one character remains human" meme is for everybody on the Surprise to be a muppet except the midshipman who gets bullied to suicide
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Dec 27, 2021 04:23
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Jack is miss piggy.
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Dec 27, 2021 04:25
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builds character posted:Jack is miss piggy.
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Dec 27, 2021 04:30
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Muppet discussion rocks but the idea of Maturin's loyalties vs actions isn't as terribly off base as it seems. The idea of national pride was very different in early 19th century (pre Napolean, pre 1848, barely outside the French revolution). If the idea of "Irish national who wants Independence or Home Rule sailing with the British Navy" is hard to swallow, then the truth would be worse. Nelson's own fleet was about a quarter Irish. It wouldn't have been considered a conflict to be fighting for Irish Independence while also fighting FOR His Majesty against Napoleon. Napoleon wasn't going to help Ireland so why not fight him for some coin? I'd imagine it was pretty common for men to be sailors their entire life for the British while harboring those views. The fact that Maturin came to the Navy from destitution and a lack of prospects due to his political situation and, uhh, general airheadness makes it even more believable. Now, Maturin as a character who just happens to be in the middle of all these situations that clearly exercise these loyalties is kinda tough to believe but that's pretty common for a literary character.
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freebooter posted:My favourite answer to the "turn the entire cast into muppets except one character remains human" meme is for everybody on the Surprise to be a muppet except the midshipman who gets bullied to suicide 
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Dec 27, 2021 04:51
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Welp, time to watch Muppet Treasure Island again
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Dec 27, 2021 05:19
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Perfect. Maybe it's because I always found most of the non-Sesame Street muppets frightening and offputting as a kid, but it's comedy gold to me to imagine the scene where he's making his way through the lower decks on the verge of a panic attack while they're all staring at him malevolently, and it's just all those horrible little puppets.
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Dec 27, 2021 05:37
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freebooter posted:Perfect. Yeah, the below decks scene they'd all be played by the goblins from Labyrinth. 
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Dec 27, 2021 05:53
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freebooter posted:O'Brian spent much of his life implying he was Irish when he actually wasn't Thank you, very illuminating. TBH, while it raises interesting questions about the author, why he changed his name, how he saw himself etc, it doesn't really affect my view of the characters. I don't think you need to be from Ireland to write about an Irish character, especially not one from outside your own lifetime - the past is a different country and they do things differently there, after all.
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builds character posted:Jack is miss piggy.
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builds character posted:Jack is miss piggy. This and no other.
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Arglebargle III posted:Stephen Maturin -- Kermit Movie Stephen is Kermit, book Stephen is either Gonzo or Dr. Bunsen Honeydew.
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TerminalSaint posted:Movie Stephen is Kermit, book Stephen is either Gonzo or Dr. Bunsen Honeydew. Does this make Padeen an exceptionally large and muscular Beeker?
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Genghis Cohen posted:Does this make Padeen an exceptionally large and muscular Beeker? I am down to watch a montage of Giga-Beeker's descent into opium addiction and withdrawal-fueled rampage.
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Sinatrapod posted:I am down to watch a montage of Giga-Beeker's descent into opium addiction and withdrawal-fueled rampage. Dear god, what have we wrought?
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builds character posted:Jack is miss piggy. Blonde, stout, enthusiastic about violence It's perfect
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Phy posted:Blonde, stout, enthusiastic about violence This makes Stephen Kermit, which... works surprisingly well. (Edit: I forgot how thoroughly that was covered already, but yeah. Kermit is definitely Stephen)
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Laudanum Stephen Cocaine Stephen  Sober Stephen  Stephen stepping off the boat at Pulo Prabang after practicing with a rifle for the entire sailing 
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Phy posted:Laudanum Stephen
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Still on my first-time read through and just finished The Commodore and it's almost sort of sad, from a reader's perspective, that Jack's now a commodore commanding a squadron. It's like in the later seasons of a sitcom when the carefree 20-something housemates become 30-something adults and pair off and get married and have kids. Makes you miss the simpler times of being a POW in Boston. Thought I do admire that O'Brian managed to drag out his just-a-captaincy for a full 17 books, and the four-book circumnavigation feels like a last hurrah for those youthful adventurous days.
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Just finished my first read-through of these books with Blue at the Mizzen today. I think I'll leave the unfinished one for a few years down the road, as other goons have suggested. Is there a standard recommendation for physical copies of these books? I think I recall some goons saying that a recent collection was not very good quality and I'd like to avoid that.
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Sarern posted:Just finished my first read-through of these books with Blue at the Mizzen today. I think I'll leave the unfinished one for a few years down the road, as other goons have suggested. I have read the box set. It's fine. It has some typos and the paper is extraordinarily thin but it has nice bookmark ribbons attached to each book and neat cover art and it doesn't take up a whole shelf. I generally prefer reading the series as ebook though these days, if only for larger type.
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Sarern posted:Just finished my first read-through of these books with Blue at the Mizzen today. I think I'll leave the unfinished one for a few years down the road, as other goons have suggested. The unfinished one is incredibly short, like a few chapters maybe, if at that, but a nice reminder that Jack and Stephen kept on sailing. It gives you an idea of where O'Brian was headed with the story; it has been a long time since I looked at it but I think he was mining Cochrane's life again but at this point https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Cochrane,_10th_Earl_of_Dundonald#Chilean_Navy
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This was linked in this (or its predecessor's) thread, and it was a nice read about the unfinished 21 and feelings about finishing the series: ***do not read if you have not finished the series*** https://www.tor.com/2011/02/28/forever-bailing-patrick-obrians-last-unfinished-novel-and-the-end-of-the-aubrey-matrurin-series/
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hey! new fan here. master and commander is the gayest maritime novel i have ever read, and i have read moby dick. five stars
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SEX HAVER 40000 posted:hey! new fan here. master and commander is the gayest maritime novel i have ever read, and i have read moby dick. five stars Wait until you find out there's more
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Phy posted:I'm going to read these again sometime. It may take a while, but I'll be back. Well, that didn't take very long. A little longer than it feels like, though.
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On my first read-through and just finished The Yellow Admiral and absolutely loved that ending. Bringing the timeline back out of its frozen-in-amber status and ending with a letter bearing that sentence - "Napoleon has escaped Elba" - was genuinely as shocking to me as it would've been to Jack and makes it feel like the series suddenly has stakes beyond the characters' personal lives again. Not that I ain't invested in the characters' personal lives, but it's a certainly fresh take after 17 or 18 books, and was a genuine frisson-inducing ~Moment~.
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Sarern posted:Just finished my first read-through of these books with Blue at the Mizzen today. I think I'll leave the unfinished one for a few years down the road, as other goons have suggested. The Norton hardcover edition, I believe out of print now, is probably the "easiest" to acquire second hand if you live in north America. The Harper Collins was the bookstore softcover standard for the last decade or so, and there are also the smaller, pulp style paperback editions that I have never seen brand new. I have about half the series in the norton and half Harper Collins, and the latter (softcover) tend to fall apart after a half dozen reads. I check every used bookstore in every city I go to and it has taken me about sixteen years to replace half my softcover with used hardcover editions. I also have several books on my Kindle app for travel reading and its super comfortable to read on my phone. I think there was a short-lived Folio edition.
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Pages from the end of Master and Commander and I'm looking up the battle of Algeciras, and from there Lord Cochrane, and drat, this book really is Cochrane, isn't it? If I'm reading this right there's even an engagement or two that Cochrane has, but Jack misses, due to getting pulled away from his cruises. (Like, seriously, right down to when Cochrane was boarding Cacafuego's counterpart, the ship's surgeon really was the only man left aboard Speedy)
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Yes Cochrane's life forms most of books 1 and 11.
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Huggybear posted:The Norton hardcover edition, I believe out of print now, is probably the "easiest" to acquire second hand if you live in north America. The Harper Collins was the bookstore softcover standard for the last decade or so, and there are also the smaller, pulp style paperback editions that I have never seen brand new. I have about half the series in the norton and half Harper Collins, and the latter (softcover) tend to fall apart after a half dozen reads. I check every used bookstore in every city I go to and it has taken me about sixteen years to replace half my softcover with used hardcover editions. I also have several books on my Kindle app for travel reading and its super comfortable to read on my phone. Thank you!
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I’ve got the first book as a Folio Society version but those are all now long sold out. As with most FS editions, they are very nice objects but not necessarily the most convenient choice for actual reading.
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Aaaah this had never occurred to me until now but they have to use expensive copper structural bolts because iron bolts in the hull would be corroded by the electrical connection with the sea through the ship's copper sheathing. I wondered why they used copper pins in the keel that incentivized the dockyard stealing it like with the Polychrest or the Worcester. They can't use iron in anything that might touch the copper sheathing!
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