[Asia/Oceania] Yellen says she hopes China wont mount retaliation against any steps Washington takes

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Atrocious Joe posted:

Jeffery needs to de-Nazify C-SPAM

DND rejects the separate forum treaty(Minsk 3) and wants to annex a few mega threads for denazification

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Mr Hootington: Jul 24, 2008; I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

In Training posted:

is the us even going to do anything beyond sending more military equipment.

Nato already "thoughts and prayers" Ukraine. Stick a fork in them

# ? Feb 24, 2022 16:10

WoodrowSkillson: Feb 24, 2005; *Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

Crusader posted:

https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1496863457513447424

if ukraine has even 2 brain cells there was never a way they could hold the east of the country, any strategy to try and make the war costly for Russia and thus get a more favorable peace deal would hinge on fighting elsewhere. i hope this ends quickly though, just to minimize lives lost

# ? Feb 24, 2022 16:10

lumpentroll: Mar 4, 2020

Atrocious Joe posted:

Jeffery needs to de-Nazify C-SPAM

# ? Feb 24, 2022 16:10

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

redneck nazgul posted:

holy poo poo, now that's bappin

# ? Feb 24, 2022 16:11

spacemang_spliff: Nov 29, 2014; wide pickle

we need to shut down CSPAM until we can figure this whole thing out

# ? Feb 24, 2022 16:11

sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

Stanley Pain posted:

Yes.

https://twitter.com/marceldirsus/status/1496852655918170119

Ah, hadn't seen them around Kyiv, yea I imagine they're just not feeling that urgent to 'take' things when there's just not much major resistance to deal with to begin with.

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Rip Testes: Jan 29, 2004; I never forget a face, but in your case I'll be glad to make an exception.

https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1496864266569330694

# ? Feb 24, 2022 16:12

Mr Hootington: Jul 24, 2008; I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

The beefsteak nazis ride again!

# ? Feb 24, 2022 16:12

redneck nazgul: Apr 25, 2013

Lastgirl posted:

DND rejects the separate forum treaty(Minsk 3) and wants to annex a few mega threads for denazification

is azathoth our zelensky

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vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

apparently Russian troops really are advancing through the exclusion zone and trying to capture Chernobyl, which is nuts

# ? Feb 24, 2022 16:12

Basic Poster: May 11, 2015; Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

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# ? Feb 24, 2022 16:12

redneck nazgul: Apr 25, 2013

vyelkin posted:

apparently Russia really are advancing through the exclusion zone and trying to capture Chernobyl, which is nuts

probably a smart move if you're concerned about something getting blown up there and you getting blamed for it

# ? Feb 24, 2022 16:12

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

Dreylad posted:

lol germany must be loving furious

Sholtz must have calculated that they could hold out for a couple months until heating fuel isn't needed any more, but weren't they already at like 4x baseline cost for the year?

# ? Feb 24, 2022 16:12

StashAugustine: Mar 24, 2013; Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Truga posted:

read somewhere they fled to poland lol

cool cool polish politics doesn't have enough fascist loons

# ? Feb 24, 2022 16:13

Stanley Pain: Jun 16, 2001; by Fluffdaddy

Rip Testes posted:

https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1496864266569330694

I think the majority of heavy fighting is still along the north, south and eastern borders.

# ? Feb 24, 2022 16:13

sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

Rip Testes posted:

https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1496864266569330694

I mean...okay let them have this one, it feels like that's fine to lose.

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Sherbert Hoover: Dec 12, 2019; Working hard, thank you!

putin and zelensky should meet and settle this via randori

# ? Feb 24, 2022 16:13

WoodrowSkillson: Feb 24, 2005; *Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

vyelkin posted:

apparently Russian troops really are advancing through the exclusion zone and trying to capture Chernobyl, which is nuts

its still an active power plant, and is a big strategic win for them to control so they can use power outages to get the locals cowed. wild they they are just going through the zone though

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Vernii: Dec 7, 2006

The exclusion zone has become a de facto nature preserve so hopefully it doesn't get hosed up much

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Zokari: Jul 23, 2007

why would they be trying to "capture" chernobyl

do they know something we dont

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BEAR GRYLLZ: Jul 30, 2006; I have strong erections for Israel.
Strong, pathetic erections.

vyelkin posted:

apparently Russian troops really are advancing through the exclusion zone and trying to capture Chernobyl, which is nuts

pretty sure it's still a major functioning power station so it makes sense

never mind i'm an idiot, it's been shut down

# ? Feb 24, 2022 16:15

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

WoodrowSkillson posted:

its still an active power plant, and is a big strategic win for them to control so they can use power outages to get the locals cowed. wild they they are just going through the zone though

it isn't active anymore iirc, it's in the process of decommissioning after closing the last reactor years ago

# ? Feb 24, 2022 16:15

Sherbert Hoover: Dec 12, 2019; Working hard, thank you!

sexpig by night posted:

I mean...okay let them have this one, it feels like that's fine to lose.

zelensky after signing ukraine' surrender: nice meltdown

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Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

ShallNoiseUpon posted:

free stopfascism, and let them post in cspam

# ? Feb 24, 2022 16:15

Stanley Pain: Jun 16, 2001; by Fluffdaddy

Easy enough to use Chernobyl as a weapon. Whooopsie we accidentally fired a rocket into something we shouldn't have.

# ? Feb 24, 2022 16:16

Starks: Sep 24, 2006

how do SWIFT sanctions work? can the US government even force them to cut Russia off, or is it up to the board?

# ? Feb 24, 2022 16:16

spacemang_spliff: Nov 29, 2014; wide pickle

vyelkin posted:

people I know in Russia are doing things like going out to antiwar protests where they are almost certain to be beaten up and arrested and maybe worse, and writing and signing open letters calling for the war to stop and Putin to resign even though they know doing so might risk them losing positions like being professors at Russian universities, because they know they should stand up and do something and these are the avenues open to them

Russian leftists are very, very brave people but the state does not listen to them and actively represses them whenever they stick their head above water. Please, everyone posting in this thread, remember that neither of these countries is a monolith. Putin does not represent all Russians, the Azov Battalion does not represent all Ukrainians, and actual good people are going to suffer and die because of what is happening right now

yeah I do sorry if my posts seem glib or I don't have sympathy for people who will be hosed for doing the right thing, but there's also absolutely nothing I can do about anything. I can only hope that this ends quickly with the fewest amount of innocent people getting harmed as possible

# ? Feb 24, 2022 16:16

WoodrowSkillson: Feb 24, 2005; *Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

Zokari posted:

why would they be trying to "capture" chernobyl

do they know something we dont

they don't want ukrainian locals housing soldiers that can cause problems. shutting the power off for days on end can help with that.

also, their goal is likely to try and have this be as bloodless as possible to avoid more international interference, so capturing key infrastructure early so it remains undamaged is important.

vyelkin posted:

it isn't active anymore iirc, it's in the process of decommissioning after closing the last reactor years ago

in that case im wrong, but then wtf does Russia want with it?

# ? Feb 24, 2022 16:16

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

Sinteres posted:

This isn't me, someone posted it in D&D:

I have become convinced that C-Spam has essentially become infiltrated by fascists who use left wing talking points and ideology to push people towards fascism.

The invasion of the Ukraine by Russia has no excuse under any leftist frame of thought. Putin�s Russia is not a leftist state in any way or form. It functions as a far-right Oligarchic Kleptocracy where the power of the capitalist Oligarchic corporations are protected completely by the state and by all rule of law. It is in no way an effective Democracy, and opposing party members are poisoned or arrested on trumped up charges.

Within the school of leftist thought you may claim that functionally the United States is the same, I believe there are quite big differences in terms of having somewhat more open elections and allowing freedom of opposing party members. Eitherway, leftists all agree that nothing about the United States political and economical system is �Good.� How you could point to a foreign economic and political system, which is much more unequal, and extremely worse for the proletariat masses as somehow being better because it opposes Westernism is the height of hypocrisy.

The invasion of Iraq was extremely illegal and wrong, but for all it�s bad, at the core of it�s government Sadam Hussein was a dictator that ruled without any elections and without the will of the masses. The only person that directed the nation's policy was him. Alternatively, Ukraine is a nation with an elected president, who represents at least marginally the will of people. The majority of Ukranians want to ally themselves with the west and NATO. Their right to self-determination means they should have every right to do so, just as much as Mexico should have every right to ally itself with China and Russia if its people so desired and elected politicians who would enact such a policy.

Beyond that the justification for war is grossly wrong. There may be Neonazi�s active in Ukraine. There are also Neonazi�s active in Russia, in the US, in nearly every country in Europe, in pretty much every country on the globe. The ideology of Russia is not far from the Neonazi, Putin and the Russian Military differ little from Hitler in their overarching ideology, and only in how willing he is to voice his beliefs publicly. Their concepts come directly from fascist books such as The Foundation of Geopolitics. Fascist politicians are extremely influential in Russian politics. Their main goal has been to push fascism throughout the world. On the world stage there can be no doubt. Beyond the Bourgeoisie, Russia represents the old system - From Monarchism to Imperialism to Feudalism. They are not a friend of the working class in any way or form, and the goal of Russia is to retrench the world back towards reactionary ideologies and nationalism by creating an alliance of fascist nationalist states similar to their own.

Saying you are invading Ukraine to denazify it is like saying you are invading Chile to decommunize it. Recent elections there did involve a coalition with communist parties, for example.

Russians activity in Syria leaves little imagination or justification to the effect that they represent the entrenched upper classes. The Syrian war was essentially a class conflict, brought on by a famine in the countryside that pushed the poor impoverished agricultors into the cities who were summarily ignored by the Syrian Dictator Bashar-Al Assad. The war started due to class conflict between the poor impoverished masses and the capitalist Dictatorship rulers. Russia could have supported left-leaning groups such as the YPG and other organizations focused on improving the conditions of the poor in Syria via socialism. They did not because they do not represent leftism nor are friends of leftists in any way or form. Russia will always side with the bourgeoisie and ruling classes and if you continue to support them and they win they will be happy to enact fascist dictatorships throughout the world.

When you defend the invasion of Ukraine you are essentially defending fascism. You are defending a reactionary response to democracy. You are defending Russian Imperialism, Russian Oligarchy, Nationalism and Fascism. There is no way around it.

For as much as you may hate NATO and the US or the West there is no defense for Russia and their actions here. There is nothing leftist about this and if members of C-Spam are defending the Russian invasion of the Ukraine they are defending fascism and inviting its spread through Europe, the US and the rest of the world. I have serious doubts that any of the posters who defend these things are actual leftists, if anything I believe they are fascists who have infiltrated the forums long ago and use left-wing talking points to push fascism. We can see that throughout the internet this has been a common tactic used by Fascists on other social media networks and forums.

In the days pre-internet, when thought was printed, the spread of news took forever - and the quantity of opinions was limited. Freedom of speech was essential. Just as with guns, we have evolved, in the past we had invented simple revolvers, and they may be acceptable for some self defense use. But as technology has advanced so have weapons, instead of revolvers we have AR-15s and semi-automatic weapons in the hands of common people who use them in ways that are irresponsible and dangerous. These weapons of mass war don�t belong in the hands of common people. As weapons technology has advanced so has the internet and social media. In this day and age freedom of mass speech and spread of misinformation from groups with very little actual power is as dangerous as a machine-gun.

I call on Jeffrey and the rest of SA to either shut down C-SPAM or investigate and ban potentially subversive fascist posters in that forum. They are not doing anyone any good and they are in fact potentially pushing people down a pigeonhole that radicalizes them towards far-right ideologies. I say this from personal experience. This is dangerous.

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/skz9odeewpc

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sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

Sherbert Hoover posted:

zelensky after signing ukraine' surrender: nice meltdown

# ? Feb 24, 2022 16:17

Dante80: Mar 23, 2015

WoodrowSkillson posted:

they don't want ukrainian locals housing soldiers that can cause problems. shutting the power off for days on end can help with that.

also, their goal is likely to try and have this be as bloodless as possible to avoid more international interference, so capturing key infrastructure early so it remains undamaged is important.

What power? Isn't the whole thing closed now?

# ? Feb 24, 2022 16:17

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

getting my BTR exploded into a million pieces in the exclusion zone because my crewmate painted the Z on wrong so it looks like a 2

# ? Feb 24, 2022 16:18

DiscountDildos: Nov 8, 2017

Sherbert Hoover posted:

zelensky after signing ukraine' surrender: nice meltdown

# ? Feb 24, 2022 16:18

WoodrowSkillson: Feb 24, 2005; *Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

Dante80 posted:

What power? Isn't the whole thing closed now?

yeah im wrong

# ? Feb 24, 2022 16:18

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

spacemang_spliff posted:

yeah I do sorry if my posts seem glib or I don't have sympathy for people who will be hosed for doing the right thing, but there's also absolutely nothing I can do about anything. I can only hope that this ends quickly with the fewest amount of innocent people getting harmed as possible

dont worry man i get it, this is cspam and lolling at the world is part of how we cope with awful things, this one is just hard for me to lol at

# ? Feb 24, 2022 16:18

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

The last reactor at Chernobyl went offline like two decades ago I think.

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brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/1496846438093012992

:thunk:

# ? Feb 24, 2022 16:19

Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

vyelkin posted:

apparently Russian troops really are advancing through the exclusion zone and trying to capture Chernobyl, which is nuts

Hey now there's some good loving maps in that area.

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void_serfer: Jan 13, 2012

Basic Poster posted:

https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1496628750716485636?t=JlWnACnSwnq1zTc5013Pdg&s=19

drat putin's using the elden ring on mbs

# ? Feb 24, 2022 16:19

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