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TFA got by through writing a bunch of bad checks for major plotpoints that JJA was sure he wouldn't have to cash. TLJ saw the story debt, realized JJA had no plan, and instead of picking and choosing random plot hooks to pay off some of it, decided to burn down the house for insurance money. RoS is JJA coming into the smouldering ashes, and belatedly realizing that the series is a joke and he doesn't know the punchline, so he cribs from The Glove of Darth Vader, but only the boring parts. Tunicate has a new favorite as of 07:11 on Feb 24, 2022 |
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Tunicate posted:TFA got by through writing a bunch of bad checks for major plotpoints that JJA was sure he wouldn't have to cash. It's more like JJA grumbling about the house burning down and rather than moving on just starts picking up rotting and burned pieces to try and hammer it back together because the house needs to exist as it was designed. The front of the house survived intact and it looks fine from the outside, but the moment you step inside it's a burned out husk of a thing that you know is going to fall down if you look at it wrong and really wish he'd let you leave rather than have to sit down for dinner.
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Feb 24, 2022 07:10
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Neddy Seagoon posted:It's more like JJA grumbling about the house burning down and rather than moving on just starts picking up rotting and burned pieces to try and hammer it back together because the house needs to exist as it was designed. The front of the house survived intact and it looks fine from the outside, but the moment you step inside it's a burned out husk of a thing that you know is going to fall down if you look at it wrong and really wish he'd let you leave rather than have to sit down for dinner. A lot of the decisions made in TLJ made it harder to follow up than TFA. One of the more obvious was deciding to kill off Luke but keep Leia alive and involved. The hail mary should have been bringing in Zahn as the scriptwriter for the final movie and just begging him to fix everything, which already succeeded once when the EU got too dumb.
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Feb 24, 2022 07:22
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Tunicate posted:A lot of the decisions made in TLJ made it harder to follow up than TFA. One of the more obvious was deciding to kill off Luke but keep Leia alive and involved. You missed the point of the ending then; Rian Johnson clearly understood exactly what the format of the trilogy needed to be, and ended his contribution in a way that whoever followed had a clean starting point free of TFA's nonsense, and his own movie, to build whatever the hell they wanted from the ground-up for the third movie. And then JJA decided he'd rather jump back in the Original Trilogy hole that TLJ carefully and methodically climbed out of.
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Feb 24, 2022 07:30
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i've never watched the last jedi so i have no opinion on its quality but lmao at the idea that the best time for a slash and burn story reset is the second film in a planned trilogy
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Feb 24, 2022 07:32
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Alaois posted:i've never watched the last jedi so i have no opinion on its quality but lmao at the idea that the best time for a slash and burn story reset is the second film in a planned trilogy For what the trilogy was intended to be, it actually was; Remember it was meant to be an anthology with three different directors telling their vision of Star Wars. Cleaning house on TFA's bullshit means the guy in third place can actually do that and not have to carry water for the past two films on top of trying to write their own.
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Feb 24, 2022 07:36
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thats not what anthology means
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Feb 24, 2022 07:39
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"The entire resistance can now fit inside the falcon" is not how you set up the third act of any story. The ending of TLJ put the next writer into way more of a corner than TFAs dozen hanging threads. TRoS sucks on its own merits, but tossing away TLJ was almost assuredly the right thing to do.
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Feb 24, 2022 07:50
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Neddy Seagoon posted:The Force Awakens, on its own, is an okay safe film. The Last Jedi is anything but generic. It misses as much as it hits, but when its hits it lands solid and has some fantastic ideas to build upon. The Force Awakens is one of the most forgettable films ever made, more forgettable than Revenge of the Sith and even Attack of the Clones. It is greatly brought down and made worse by this forgettableness. The Rise of Skywalker manages to be equally as forgettable and, yet, paradoxically unforgettable in how soul-destroyingly bad it is, though you mercifully won’t remember any of the details. Together, looking back at watching the Disney sequels is like looking back and trying to remember the hazy, but decidedly unpleasant experience of having surgery. And each film in the trilogy can kind of be fit into a rough third of the process from beginning, middle, and end/start of recovery. The Last Jedi kind of fits there as the one sorta-bright spot. You don’t really remember a ton about that time you had surgery—you were on a bunch of anesthetics and drugs. Maybe they used nitrous oxide to bring you up/down. But you remember this one really trippy dream you had in the middle of it that was pretty weird and fun, and maybe there were some neat creative ideas expressed in it. But it’s not like worth the experience of having an impacted molar removed or whatever.
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Feb 24, 2022 08:43
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Alaois posted:i've never watched the last jedi so i have no opinion on its quality but lmao at the idea that the best time for a slash and burn story reset is the second film in a planned trilogy "Planned", that's the problem. poo poo clearly wasn't planned at all.
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Feb 24, 2022 09:06
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Groke posted:"Planned", that's the problem. poo poo clearly wasn't planned at all. well planned trilogy in the sense of "we know we are making 3 movies"
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Feb 24, 2022 09:11
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The Last Jedi had a lot of strong and interesting moments and hooks that Rise of Skywalker should have built on and that should have led the franchise into the future. Instead Disney got scared and had JJ spent most of RoS going back on most of those moments and now the franchise is stuck back in 'mine the hell out of nostalgia' territory. There's like a dozen big Star Wars projects in the pipeline and none of them are set post-RoS and honestly I can't blame them for that at this point. Whoever's the first to try and do a post-RoS project is going to have to figure out how to handle all of JJ's bullshit.
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Feb 24, 2022 09:20
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Ok Comboomer posted:Honestly, I wonder if George’s biggest sin with the prequels was trying too hard. Also the obsession with pushing green/blue screen filmmaking at the expense of the final product. Those movies would’ve probably been much better if they’d gone with a more Disney-style hybrid approach WRT practical effects. It’s not like they didn’t have the budget for it. One movie that did so much by mixing CGI and live action, was Jurassic Park. So much of what I thought was animated was actually animatronics. Like the famous scene with the kids in the kitchen used guys in suits. 
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Feb 24, 2022 10:47
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I miss 90's Star Wars, 3 non-ewok movies, a bunch of books, and our imagination
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Fantastic Foreskin posted:"The entire resistance can now fit inside the falcon" is not how you set up the third act of any story. The Trevorrow script does that with Finn leading the charge. Or maybe the whole "gently caress the past" speech flew over the audience's head on this one. Rebels, Empires, in the end the moral fights enrich the evil. How do you fight that? Err... I mean... "GUYS I got the Amidala Cup Topper from KFC! It'll go great with my Amidala Pepsi can!!!"
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As for me, Kylo Ren was such a lame whiny dork poorly cosplaying as a Sith that I couldn't be assed with the last two movies, I at least made it through Attack of the Clones before bailing on the prequel trilogy.
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Feb 24, 2022 14:31
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I guess I can't even call this a derail since I can't think of anything that takes me back to the late 90s more than obnoxious fanboys shrieking about Star Wars ad nauseum.
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Feb 24, 2022 14:40
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Iron Crowned posted:I miss 90's Star Wars, 3 non-ewok movies, a bunch of books, and our imagination And the WEG roleplaying game. That was tons of fun.
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Feb 24, 2022 14:48
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Groke posted:And the WEG roleplaying game. That was tons of fun. I had the second edition, never played it, but I loved looking at all the illustrations and imagining all the adventures I could be going on if I had friends. Some things never change
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Saucer Crab posted:As for me, Kylo Ren was such a lame whiny dork poorly cosplaying as a Sith that I couldn't be assed with the last two movies, I at least made it through Attack of the Clones before bailing on the prequel trilogy. To add another moron wrestling with the tar ball of Star Wars fandom, the point of Kylo was that he was a lame whiny dork poorly cosplaying past glory.
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Saucer Crab posted:As for me, Kylo Ren was such a lame whiny dork poorly cosplaying as a Sith that I couldn't be assed with the last two movies, I at least made it through Attack of the Clones before bailing on the prequel trilogy. Revenge of the Sith is worth watching.
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The sequel trilogy needs at least 7-10 more years before it can obtain cult like meme status. It’s future memes will be hilarious though, just gotta hold out till then.
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Cartoon Man posted:The sequel trilogy needs at least 7-10 more years before it can obtain cult like meme status. It’s future memes will be hilarious though, just gotta hold out till then. The Clone Wars show played a big part of making people go back and reevaluate the prequels. To make this a bit more 90s related, it’s fun noticing how the old EU books and stuff like the previously mentioned WEG sources talked about the Clone Wars before the prequels came out. The timeline and everything related to it was vague but very clearly different from what Lucas later went with. Also the Rogue Squadron and Battle for Naboo N64 games were cool.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:One movie that did so much by mixing CGI and live action, was Jurassic Park. So much of what I thought was animated was actually animatronics. holy poo poo i had no idea that rules
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Cartoon Man posted:The sequel trilogy needs at least 7-10 more years before it can obtain cult like meme status. It’s future memes will be hilarious though, just gotta hold out till then. the only people who are gonna have a cult fandom for the Disney sequels are the same people who have a cult fandom for it now—the more grown up version of the people who had a cult fandom for the movie version of the Onceler, ie maladjusted nerd women who wanna gently caress an angsty Adam Driver.
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Cartoon Man posted:The sequel trilogy needs at least 7-10 more years before it can obtain cult like meme status. It’s future memes will be hilarious though, just gotta hold out till then. Future memes brought to you by Disney There’s an article describing the theory that: now that Disney owns the prequels, they’re paying off sites to right favorable articles to try and rehabilitate those movies. Probably true. I’ll always think of them as the worst of all of the SW movies, but im not a movie critic
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Ok Comboomer posted:the only people who are gonna have a cult fandom for the Disney sequels are the same people who have a cult fandom for it now—the more grown up version of the people who had a cult fandom for the movie version of the Onceler, ie maladjusted nerd women who wanna gently caress an angsty Adam Driver. namlosh posted:Future memes brought to you by Disney The barrier to astroturf anything on social media is really low-- it just requires a lot of labor hours and people willing to shut up and do their jobs-- two things which most monolithic institutions have in spades.
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Saucer Crab posted:As for me, Kylo Ren was such a lame whiny dork poorly cosplaying as a Sith that I couldn't be assed with the last two movies There was so much they could've done with that -- initially it seemed like a pretty great and relevant modern take on the villain concept, where a whiny little shut-in can still develop his own weird cult following and become the next Hitler. Unfortunately they didn't have the guts or at least the clear direction to really explore that, and he was ultimately just a different faceplate on top of the usual villain thing.
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mind the walrus posted:Dude you've got loving issues. lmao what ok boss
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Ok Comboomer posted:lmao what Ok Comboomer 
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no broccoli please posted:gently caress yes. I've been listening to a podcast about 90s CanRock (Rave and Drool) and bought a book on the history of Big Shiny Tunes because of it, and the encyclopedia on aforementioned CanRock Have Not Been The Same. Loved that poo poo. Yea, as I said these were big for people with not a huge amount of money to buy the actual cds for the hit songs, so you could get the big hits right then and there. And it let you avoid the trap where the big hit is the only decent song on the album. Though I do find it funny how often you'd have a medium sized hit by a Canadian band because you need that CanCon requirement to meet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkN_qkN5JLQ Some great tropes of 90s indie music videos in their video for Underwhelmed. Ok Comboomer posted:RLM is great and their plethora of content is so much better and bigger than Plinkett There's something about RLM that rubs me the wrong way. Its not just Plinkett which was reprehensible framing device for movies. I remember the guy who told me about the RLM review of Ep1 was legitimately getting excited about "its so funny, its presented by this serial killer and he's got a woman tied up, its really funny!" Like, gross dude, you're probably on a watchlist somewhere. Like they're not CinemaSins bad, but i dunno, there's just something about how they present stuff that doesn't appeal to me. Anyways, brutalmoose has some good found VHS stuff. Just the weird stuff people taped off tv because they might want it. It made sense if some big movie was on TV, like i recorded Jurassic Park the first time it was on TV, also the Dark Crystal was another tape i watched over and over. I also had a tape of music videos i liked recorded, which was a real task because you'd have to sit through tons of Amy Grant and other dentist office waiting room music just to grab Smells Like Teen Spirit or Evenflow.
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Wikipedia claims as of 2020, Big Shiny Tunes 2 is still the 4th best selling album in Canada. I know my family still has a copy somewhere, and it's a guarantee you'll find at least one at any given thrift store. It's got a Smash Mouth song on it. But the cancon on it is pretty good, as least with nostalgia goggles on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtG4FfXB7zk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MdBU1wgk6c Not a Big Shiny Tunes track, but Matthew Good got a lot of play in our house as well. It looks like the music video got taken off youtube but Everything is Automatic is a banger. Looks like it charted in Canada and nowhere else? Everywhere else was missing out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF5vF-v0Wtc
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The only thing to live for is today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cdvbOPpFwY
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Iron Crowned posted:I miss 90's Star Wars, 3 non-ewok movies, a bunch of books, and our imagination And Shadows of the Empire
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love it when my Star Wars heroes are canonically named Kyle
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Ok Comboomer posted:love it when my Star Wars heroes are canonically named Kyle
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8T-88 is definitely not a lazy droid name.
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Even as a kid I was always confused at how there were so many Jedi, dark or otherwise, in Jedi Knight. I was keenly aware of the Star Wars lore. Fortunately I didn’t give a gently caress ultimately because that game was bad rear end.
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Moms and Dads, junior can Race Car! Build City! Fly plane! Junior: Electrocute Sweaty Punch Man with Green Vampire Ape!
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