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CommieGIR posted:We've covered this: Its a strategic position due to bridges over the river and substations for the Eastern Ukraine power grid. Nothing is going on with the plant itself other than that.
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CommieGIR posted:Yes, they are all shutdown and defueled. The only risk is Reactor 4 which, obviously you can't fully defuel. But other than that, you'd have to purposefully try to bomb the plant. Even bombing would take serious effort, the new sarcophagus is installed and is a fairly decent barrier, as an area that was probably lightly defended it likely is a good spot for a potential point to push through though.
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i am a moron posted:I'm not following either. They have boots and nice looking cold weather gear. They have gear but do not remotely look like hardened veterans or a professional military Is Russia throwing young conscripts at this? I thought they had a more professional military now?
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Feb 24, 2022 18:06
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TulliusCicero posted:Crossposting but extremely relevant: The uniform and layers all look fine for cold weather stuff. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make?
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cinci zoo sniper posted:This is a very bad look domestically, wow. Also wow that it’s happening in general. There was also this salient point underneath the tweet about the two conscripts... https://twitter.com/JillofAllTrad14/status/1496864128501227523?s=20&t=Mg9hyQttsVQqhphZ4_hPUQ MOD NOTE: Spoilered for POWs Somebody fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Feb 24, 2022 |
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fatherboxx posted:https://zona.media/news/2022/02/24/ksa winning hearts and minds! But for russia now! apparently!
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Baronash posted:This is an incredibly ancillary issue, but have Javelins ever been distributed in a conflict like this? Is it a reasonable concern that randos may end up with some if Ukrainian forces are pushed back? I think the russians probably have access to comparable ATGM systems anyway, and the US probably isn't planning to invade the region any time soon and so likely cares less about randos ending up with fancy ATGMs. And ultimately outside of a war they are just a very expensive way to blow up a vehicle you can see, just so happens that they work on vehicles up to and including main battle tanks. Honestly the bigger worry I would have about equipment going missing is MANPADS because those could absolutely be used to shoot down civilian airliners.
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UCS Hellmaker posted:Even bombing would take serious effort, the new sarcophagus is installed and is a fairly decent barrier, as an area that was probably lightly defended it likely is a good spot for a potential point to push through though. Now, worth noting Ukraine has a lot of other nuclear plants, however I doubt any attempt would be made to bomb the reactors themselves, much more likely they hit the substations and force them onto backup power to go offline. Right now, we have no indications Russia is hitting their online reactors.
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TulliusCicero posted:They have gear but do not remotely look like hardened veterans or a professional military Also wasn't there a bit reported that soldiers were trading their gear for random trade goods and writing it off as losses?
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TulliusCicero posted:They have gear but do not remotely look like hardened veterans or a professional military I went to war with dudes who looked like they were 12 years old, when you have a smaller frame and shave all your hair it happens. As you get older you kinda forget what an 18 year old looks like. This is the reality of it. edit: also that follow up tweet. If Russia is really massing a bunch of conscripts with 0 training they are going to get loving blasted in a lot of places. What a horrorshow.
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Baronash posted:This is an incredibly ancillary issue, but have Javelins ever been distributed in a conflict like this? Is it a reasonable concern that randos may end up with some if Ukrainian forces are pushed back? javelins are really good at being easy to use and killing the poo poo out of tanks. fourth generation ATGMs are fairly common, and you can get good ones from many different nations the US and other allied nations who use javelin don't want them to proliferate or be traded, because they are really good at just giving any rando the power to butcher heavy vehicles, that is a concern. however, when you're handing over stacks of them in anticipation that they will be used immediately, the chances are less that they will disappear from supply depots and end up on the black market if russian soldiers end up with them, eh. russians have komet and other similarly good weapons. you just don't want like, the taliban, getting their hands on a bunch of javelins
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i am a moron posted:I went to war with dudes who looked like they were 12 years old, when you have a smaller frame and shave all your hair it happens. As you get older you kinda forget what an 18 year old looks like. This is the reality of it. Yeah I look at old pictures and we look like children
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Feb 24, 2022 18:09
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TulliusCicero posted:They have gear but do not remotely look like hardened veterans or a professional military I mean, it's a safe bet that most Russian enlisted are going to be conscripts. That's literally how they and alot of other militaries maintain their manpower (and develop a reserve). These guys look young, could be anything from teens to early twenties, but that's typically what soldiers are, they're young. Also the concept that soldiers are automatically poor soldiers is facile. Unmotivated and demoralized conscripts obvioulsy would be, but they're not really different from other soldiers in that respect other than being recruiter from a broader portion of the population.
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Boris Johnson just said "...as for kicking Russia out of SWIFT... uhhhh... nothing is off the table", so I guess it's not happening.
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TulliusCicero posted:They have gear but do not remotely look like hardened veterans or a professional military I mean, what are they supposed to look like? They are random kids, scared on top of that. The kind that makes up pretty much every army in the world, I see plenty of similar looking young Russians and Ukrainians on the streets on a daily basis.
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i am a moron posted:I went to war with dudes who looked like they were 12 years old, when you have a smaller frame and shave all your hair it happens. As you get older you kinda forget what an 18 year old looks like. This is the reality of it. Not in the military myself but I do work in healthcare and it's the same way. Many of the amazing nurses I know are in their early twenties. It's wild. Also, I am 36 today and this is the worst birthday ever.
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TulliusCicero posted:They have gear but do not remotely look like hardened veterans or a professional military russia seems to be throwing almost everything it has that isn't nuclear at ukraine which i guess maybe makes sense from a shock and awe perspective and end the war as quickly as possible perspective. it doesn't make sense in terms of making your already unpopular war popular or letting foreign militaries learn all about your fancy new weapons.
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i am a moron posted:I went to war with dudes who looked like they were 12 years old, when you have a smaller frame and shave all your hair it happens. As you get older you kinda forget what an 18 year old looks like. This is the reality of it. That's completely fair. I guess I'm just seeing an unexpected lack of fight or zeal in Russian troops from what all the propaganda says, and i interests me how popular the war actually is among the actual army. I was wondering if they had lovely supplies because they were selling them off like the report out of Belarus suggested. The cold weather gear though looks sufficient yeah.
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Just so that we're clear. Letting Russia have Ukraine = on the table. Swift = off the table.
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Young Freud posted:There was also this salient point underneath the tweet about the two conscripts... yeah. i suspect alot of these dudes are just conscripts who got hosed into "permenent service". also https://twitter.com/HannaLiubakova/status/1496893286522437635 We are in STALKER/call of duty territory now. Somebody fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Feb 24, 2022 |
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The problem is that using Swift like that is pretty dangerous for the entire global financial order. Obviously you can respond by saying Russia invading Ukraine is pretty dangerous for global order too, but maintaining that threat to use against China in the future is a pretty big US interest.
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BoldFace posted:Just so that we're clear. Letting Russia have Ukraine = on the table. Swift = off the table. Euros being cowards when it comes to actually confronting Russia? Say it ain't so.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah. i suspect alot of these dudes are just conscripts who got hosed into "permenent service". Yeah, their goal is likely to cut off electricity links to Eastern Ukraine that run through Chernobyl.  Hey guys, please try to also spoiler pictures of POWs as technically you are not supposed to share those photos
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https://twitter.com/ollybarratt/status/1496894106840276998?s=20&t=lwbLjlceQBFbNH9iMsElAw Financial freeze from UK banking, full asset freeze on VTB, and banning Aeroflot from the UK
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Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/ollybarratt/status/1496894106840276998?s=20&t=lwbLjlceQBFbNH9iMsElAw Can't go too hard and piss off your own donors right Boris? 
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[As if bending lips around unfamilair shapes] Thanks... Boris? Great job?
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah, their goal is likely to cut off electricity links to Eastern Ukraine that run through Chernobyl. An interesting fact here is that Ukrainian state energy operator did run, just a few days ago, a successful test of operating Ukrainian power-grid in self-sufficiency mode. Fake edit: https://tass.com/economy/1409149 quote:KIEV, February 24. /TASS/. The Ukrainian energy system cut itself off from energy systems of Russia and Belarus and is functioning independently, Ukrenergo company said.
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I don't know if it's better or worse if this goes longer. Putin might get even angrier and order more indiscriminate bombing as Russian planes are the only things that are unchallenged right now. Some rumblings of protests in Moscow on social media however it remains to be seen how many people feel safe enough to go. The small ones organized over the last couple of weeks had everyone immediately thrown in prison.
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Sinteres posted:The problem is that using Swift like that is pretty dangerous for the entire global financial order. Obviously you can respond by saying Russia invading Ukraine is pretty dangerous for global order too, but maintaining that threat to use against China in the future is a pretty big US interest. Sinteres posted:I'll be honest and say that even as someone who's not particularly sympathetic to Ukraine One may be related to the other
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Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/ollybarratt/status/1496894106840276998?s=20&t=lwbLjlceQBFbNH9iMsElAw that seems goodish? apperently Schiff is talking about cutting russia out of SWIFT and how that needs to be done. He is house intel head and big biden ally. so i expect biden to do that.
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Speaking as someone without finances I would not really be sad if the global financial order was a casualty in the war.
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TulliusCicero posted:Can't go too hard and piss off your own donors right Boris? I mean, if you read the list in the thread, it's about as much or more than I think anyone would've expected the Tories to do. SWIFT isn't just their call or the US's for that matter, but it's continental Europe you're going to need to blink on that one.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/HannaLiubakova/status/1496893286522437635 Googling whether parking your artillery near a nuclear station to prevent return fire is a war crime
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https://pravdaurfo.ru/polnotekst/36...-goskontraktov/ This is a russian article from last year that covers some of that tank factory embezzlement that I mentioned earlier. It gives you some background on how today's russian military industrial complex works. You can bet the government money for this factory probably turned into a nice apartmentment building in London etc. Google translate works ok with it.
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steinrokkan posted:One may be related to the other Digging through my post history from over a week ago is pretty sad. I obviously meant it in a different context from today, but congrats. How do you disagree with the actual analysis beyond scoring points in front of your online friends?
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External Organs posted:I'm also in a deep red state and the folks here are very much not into this war. What like he wasn't tough enough on Putin when Trump was President or something? I'm in Texas so it will be interesting to see how Abbot and his filth make statements about this in the next few days and week. Same with the candidates up for reelection this year.
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