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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:That'd be the Geneva Conventions. The day before Russia also broke the Minsk agreement by recognizing Donetsk/Luhansk as indepedent republics. The overall point is that pieces of paper are useless if one of the parties has no intention of being bound by them. It also makes a big difference whether said party is a nuclear power with a UNSC veto or not.
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Sir Bobert Fishbone posted:Where are you generally located? poo poo I dropped a few words that would make that make more sense, my bad. Jaxyon posted:Running into quite a few people on social media who seem to be under the impression that Russia has entered Ukraine to bravely fight the immense nazi forces of the azov batallion. I have never met anyone in person who believes that.
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Gripweed posted:Literally nothing in that linked article says that the criminals were working at the behest of the Russian government. That you assume they are, based on nothing, is... interesting. Russian cybercrime is enabled and encouraged both to dev tools and to increase load on strategic opponents. Most APT groups in Asia and EE are either intel agencies or shielded by the state in exchange for not striking local targets. The Russian state is deeply tied to organized crime at basically every level. State vs crime gang is a sliding scale.
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Mokotow posted:... Be safe! https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...f0838031a70055e The UK is to impose its “largest ever” set of economic sanctions on Russia, including pushing to end Russia’s use of the Swift international payment systems, freezing assets of all major Russian banks, limiting cash held by Russian nationals in UK banks and sanctioning more than 100 individuals and entities, our chief political correspondent, Jessica Elgot, reports. Guardian Reporting: "Boris Johnson has urged European leaders to agree that Russia’s use of the major payments system should be suspended, making the argument in a call with the German chancellor, Olaf Scholz, and in a meeting of G7 leaders. The move is likely to be resisted by EU countries" Or is Boris just putting on a performative show with no intention of really going after SWIFT? Unless perhaps Biden does something of equal measure? Somebody fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Feb 24, 2022 |
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Threat Maps have been lighting up more than I've ever seen today. At least since I've been in the cybersecurity world. Please be mindful over the next few months folks.
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Barrel Cactaur posted:Russian cybercrime is enabled and encouraged both to dev tools and to increase load on strategic opponents. Most APT groups in Asia and EE are either intel agencies or shielded by the state in exchange for not striking local targets. The Russian state is deeply tied to organized crime at basically every level. Wasn't there a whole thing where someone figured out you could prevent a whole bunch of ransomware floating around from attacking your computer by just installing a Russian language pack in Windows?
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:That'd be the Geneva Conventions. The day before Russia also broke the Minsk agreement by recognizing Donetsk/Luhansk as indepedent republics. The overall point is that pieces of paper are useless if one of the parties has no intention of being bound by them. You're ignoring that those "pieces of paper" are meant to hold a former world superpower, and a nuclear state, in check. It's not exactly a trivial thing to get them to the table and sign a treaty like that.
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Nenonen posted:Maybe Nato should send troops to secure western Ukraine, also western part of Kyiv. Divide it into US, British and French sectors maybe. I think you know this is insane and is pretty much openly going to war right? SourKraut posted:Wouldn't SWIFT suspension lead to Russia declaring more open war? No, Putin had almost certainly studied all possible economic actions possible and is prepared to eat all of them over this. Otherwise, if cutting Russia from the financial system was a red line, it would have been explicitly stated in the speech where he warns against interference MikeC fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Feb 24, 2022 |
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Random Integer posted:The thing that always struck me about cyberattacks on infrastructure is, why is critical infrastructure even connected to the internet? Like most power stations have been around for decades, presumably they were able to operate just fine without an internet connection in the past, what advantage was there in hooking them up? Id have thought most govts would mandate no public network connections for critical infrastructure given how obviously vulnerable it makes them. It's also possible to take things down that are never Internet connected, like the Iranian centrifuges. The computers were on an intranet and the Israelis (and CIA?) were able to take them out anyway. Cylons don't need the Internet to gently caress poo poo up; an Intranet will work just fine. I guess you could try running without even an Intranet, but that sound pretty complicated and any time outside of cyberwarfare would be way more expensive and probably more error and damage-prone.
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External Organs posted:Not in the military myself but I do work in healthcare and it's the same way. Many of the amazing nurses I know are in their early twenties. It's wild. Also, I am 36 today and this is the worst birthday ever. Keep your chin up, happy birthday 
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MikeC posted:I think you know this is insane and is pretty much openly going to war right? I'm pretty sure that was a historical joke...
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SourKraut posted:Wouldn't SWIFT suspension lead to Russia declaring more open war? It would lead to a number of countries more seriously looking for an alternative to Swift if nothing else. If they succeded, it would end up being a pretty big L for the US and Europe.
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MikeC posted:I think you know this is insane and is pretty much openly going to war right? read it again and think about to history class, lmao
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Sinteres posted:It would lead to a number of countries more seriously looking for an alternative to Swift if nothing else. If they succeded, it would end up being a pretty big L for the US and Europe. Yeah, I'm sure countries would love to find an alternative to the current international banking standard that connects them to the rest of the world.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:That'd be the Geneva Conventions. The day before Russia also broke the Minsk agreement by recognizing Donetsk/Luhansk as indepedent republics. The overall point is that pieces of paper are useless if one of the parties has no intention of being bound by them. The Minsk agreement wasn't a legally binding treaty, and had already fallen apart in 2015, though. As for the Geneva Conventions, you're correct there, but that's a set of treaties that has unfortunately been put through the shredder many, many times over the past century, by basically every major power. My point is not to suggest that a treaty "guaranteeing" Ukraine's neutrality would definitively stop further Russian interference; it almost certainly wouldn't. But at the very least it would hopefully constrain it more in the future than a non-binding "gentleman's agreement," which is what Budapest was, ever could. Really the best Ukraine can hope for at this point is Finlandization. That sucks. It's grotesque, it's atrocious, it's a genuine war crime that a country would deprive another country of its ability to set its own policies in such a way, and rob its people of their sovereignty. gently caress the Russian state, gently caress Putin, gently caress their imperialist aspirations. But we need to be realistic about the possible outcomes from this conflict. There are no good and likely ones to be found.
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Sinteres posted:It would lead to a number of countries more seriously looking for an alternative to Swift if nothing else. If they succeded, it would end up being a pretty big L for the US and Europe. Ah, that makes more sense, thanks!
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MikeC posted:I think you know this is insane and is pretty much openly going to war right? They're doing a bit.
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You can watch the Biden speech here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/live/
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Terebus posted:Yeah, I'm sure countries would love to find an alternative to the current international banking standard that connects them to the rest of the world. China in particular would love to replace it with a standard not dominated by the US, yes. And if a country like Russia could be dropped, so would a bunch of other countries. It wouldn't be easy or overnight, but using organizations the rest of the world relies upon to conduct US foreign policy obviously reduces their legitimacy in much of the rest of the world.
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Majorian posted:https://twitter.com/antontroian/status/1496892255805878280 This reaaaallly was not in the plan for old Vlad Things seem to be going belly up real fast What is "gently caress about, Find out?" In Russian?
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Ukraine embassy Warsaw. Few hundred people, lots of Ukrainians and Belorussians. 
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Jaxyon posted:I have never met anyone in person who believes that. Yeah if I met somebody in person who started going off about "Ukrainian nazis" or NATO I would walk away pretty loving quick.
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Sinteres posted:Do you think that would be likely to remain contained and not lead to blowback against innocents in both countries? Like the US could also launch missiles at only the Russian elites but I suspect it wouldn't end there, so why would launching cyber attacks against them end there? Is there any possible way that you think that places like the UK and the US should retaliate against what Russia is doing in Ukraine?
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Well, those were some weak-rear end sanctions. Looking forward to the Russian stock market bouncing back tomorrow.
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SourKraut posted:Wouldn't SWIFT suspension lead to Russia declaring more open war? Russia as in the country that just brazenly invaded a neighbor in a land grab?
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Hey all. Sorry to ask for a brief break in people arguing what is and isn't a cyber war and such but being all the way in North America and seeing the hosed up poo poo happening in Ukraine got me wondering if there are any agencies or charities in Ukraine worth donating to at the moment. I am guessing Red Cross will probably be the best one to send a little bit of money to but are there any others to send a donation to, just to give the appearance of helping at least.
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Madkal posted:Hey all. Sorry to ask for a brief break in people arguing what is and isn't a cyber war and such but being all the way in North America and seeing the hosed up poo poo happening in Ukraine got me wondering if there are any agencies or charities in Ukraine worth donating to at the moment. I am guessing Red Cross will probably be the best one to send a little bit of money to but are there any others to send a donation to, just to give the appearance of helping at least. There's another stickied thread in the forum with charities. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3994478
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Madkal posted:Hey all. Sorry to ask for a brief break in people arguing what is and isn't a cyber war and such but being all the way in North America and seeing the hosed up poo poo happening in Ukraine got me wondering if there are any agencies or charities in Ukraine worth donating to at the moment. I am guessing Red Cross will probably be the best one to send a little bit of money to but are there any others to send a donation to, just to give the appearance of helping at least. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3994478 If you haven't already seen it, there's a thread stickied to the top of D+D. If those aren't to your liking I'm sure quite a few people will chime in with some orgs of their own.
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Madkal posted:Hey all. Sorry to ask for a brief break in people arguing what is and isn't a cyber war and such but being all the way in North America and seeing the hosed up poo poo happening in Ukraine got me wondering if there are any agencies or charities in Ukraine worth donating to at the moment. I am guessing Red Cross will probably be the best one to send a little bit of money to but are there any others to send a donation to, just to give the appearance of helping at least. There's a stickied thread for it. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3994478
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Sinteres posted:China in particular would love to replace it with a standard not dominated by the US, yes. And if a country like Russia could be dropped, so would a bunch of other countries. It wouldn't be easy or overnight, but using organizations the rest of the world relies upon to conduct US foreign policy obviously reduces their legitimacy in much of the rest of the world. China is economically intertwined to the US to the point that they would probably create a system to exclusively bank with the US if anything happened to SWIFT. It's not like Russia is just being dropped randomly, or "to conduct US foreign policy". This is an international agreement in response to an aggressive state invading a sovereign nation. The US isn't the sole nation that is responding to this, and a US centered view on this situation is... short sighted at best.
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