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So far it doesn't seem like there's any evidence of those Turkish drones having any impact, is there?
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Feb 24, 2022 20:14
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Pook Good Mook posted:I don't know why Biden can't just answer honestly, "I want to get rid of SWIFT access, but several European allies said no." He basically said that when he was asked about it. I'm not sure how much more explicit he could be without naming names. I'd need to look at the transcript, but that was certainly my takeaway when I was watching him speak.
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khwarezm posted:This whole situation is highlighting how incredibly fast modern warfare has become in the 21st century. Talking about the fall of the capital of Ukraine less than 24 hours after hostilities began. Like even during the famously rapid fall of France in WW2 it took a few weeks before the Nazis were able to take Paris. That's because it's asymmetrical warfare, it's super hosed up but it's an easy way to diffuse your forces and settle in for intractable, unbeatable insurgencies.
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Feb 24, 2022 20:14
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FlamingLiberal posted:Presumably those cruise missile strikes at the start of the invasion were targeting those systems And if those systems are all gone it will be down the will of the Ukrainian people to fight block by block, etc, with no air cover and essentially insurmountable odds.
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Feb 24, 2022 20:15
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Kaddish posted:I was thinking earlier that we haven't even seen the typical videos posted of AA fire over a capital city like Kiev. It's certainly very possible Ukrainian air-power/defense has been neutralized at this point. I'm sure that was a major Russian objective. I mean, the stereotypical streams of tracers going into the sky are not a very effective way to shoot down jets anyway, and reveal your position a lot. Also they may conceivably be trying to... avoid fighting inside the capital city if at all possible. The most likely surviving holdout air defence systems in the wake of a successful suppression campaign would be small, man portable or vehicle mounted missile launchers, which are a lot less flashy.
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Feb 24, 2022 20:15
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Have the Germans announced a financial response or are they going to send more hats?
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ZombieLenin posted:I don’t think Putin understands that the United States, Great Britain, and France are also “powerful nuclear states.” Who does he think he’s threatening with that sort of talk? Pretty certain he is both of those things.
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Feb 24, 2022 20:15
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the popes toes posted:Have the Germans announced a financial response or are they going to send more hats? From the sound of it, Germany's financial response is "not boot Russia from SWIFT"
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Feb 24, 2022 20:16
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Vaginaface posted:Will someone answer the poor reporters? Why *NOT* sanction Putin directly? And what does that even look like? I watched the press conference - first time I've seen Biden talk in years I think - and I was wondering: what's the point of sanctioning Putin? He's obviously not going to any Western countries any time soon, and he won't have any meaningful assets in Western countries. I guess it's symbolic? He'd still be able to travel to New York and Geneva even if sanctioned, right? I'm not quite sure how that works though.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Presumably those cruise missile strikes at the start of the invasion were targeting those systems Those Twitter videos were the first time, hopefully the last, that I have seen Real Deal cruise missiles in flight whooshing along to their targets. Crazy to see. They sound just like an aircraft because of their jet engine. I start to get uncomfortable when I imagine what that might look like for an ICBM.
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Feb 24, 2022 20:16
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Yureina posted:Pretty certain he is both of those things. He's a man obsessed with restoring Russia to their USSR peak power. He's a megalomaniac.
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Feb 24, 2022 20:17
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Saladman posted:I watched the press conference - first time I've seen Biden talk in years I think - and I was wondering: what's the point of sanctioning Putin? He's obviously not going to any Western countries any time soon, and he won't have any meaningful assets in Western countries. I guess it's symbolic? He'd still be able to travel to New York and Geneva even if sanctioned, right? I'm not quite sure how that works though. Yeah, it's exactly this, there's a good recent WaPo writeup about The Trouble With Sanctioning Putin, and it boils down to "nothing we can do would really get to his personal wealth and you just look like a fool if you issue meaningless sanctions everyone knows can't do anything"
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Feb 24, 2022 20:18
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MANPADS are designed to take out helicopters and low flying aircraft, they won’t do poo poo against fighters and bombers.
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Feb 24, 2022 20:20
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https://twitter.com/StratcomCentre/status/1496922915954216962?s=20&t=KMOgkqZ7xoxDgOAAOKLtdA holy poo poo if this is true then that is absolutely embarrassing for the Russian armed forces.
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Feb 24, 2022 20:20
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Saladman posted:I watched the press conference - first time I've seen Biden talk in years I think - and I was wondering: what's the point of sanctioning Putin? He's obviously not going to any Western countries any time soon, and he won't have any meaningful assets in Western countries. I guess it's symbolic? He'd still be able to travel to New York and Geneva even if sanctioned, right? I'm not quite sure how that works though. His children live in the west and he has billions stashed away in secret accounts that they draw from, so it would impact him personally.
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Feb 24, 2022 20:21
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Solaris 2.0 posted:https://twitter.com/StratcomCentre/status/1496922915954216962?s=20&t=KMOgkqZ7xoxDgOAAOKLtdA https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1496927529910865928?s=20&t=eetSAKR_qybb8gj2lN0Mbg
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Solaris 2.0 posted:https://twitter.com/StratcomCentre/status/1496922915954216962?s=20&t=KMOgkqZ7xoxDgOAAOKLtdA I sure hope so!
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Feb 24, 2022 20:22
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Vaginaface posted:Will someone answer the poor reporters? Why *NOT* sanction Putin directly? And what does that even look like? Saladman posted:I watched the press conference - first time I've seen Biden talk in years I think - and I was wondering: what's the point of sanctioning Putin? He's obviously not going to any Western countries any time soon, and he won't have any meaningful assets in Western countries. I guess it's symbolic? He'd still be able to travel to New York and Geneva even if sanctioned, right? I'm not quite sure how that works though. In particular there are some Europeans who are concerned that directly sanctioning Putin would close off critical avenues of diplomacy. I'd agree that it would be a largely symbolic gesture, and I'm not sure how much Putin would really care, but certainly it's worthwhile to consider the benefits and drawbacks of doing that as part of larger economic sanctions. Morrow posted:His children live in the west and he has billions stashed away in secret accounts that they draw from, so it would impact him personally. My understanding is that most of his children and grandchildren moved back to Russia years ago, though one of his daughters and a mistress now live in Monaco. Kaal fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Feb 24, 2022 |
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Feb 24, 2022 20:22
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Finnish foreign ministry has been illuminated with Sweden's colours or something, idk https://twitter.com/Ulkoministerio/status/1496892837451169792
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Feb 24, 2022 20:22
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It might not help the defence that much but it's certainly a big lol if they just got their special forces killed and achieved basically nothing.
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Feb 24, 2022 20:22
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Sir Bobert Fishbone posted:From the sound of it, Germany's financial response is "not boot Russia from SWIFT" As if the US would ever allow that https://www.spglobal.com/platts/en/market-insights/latest-news/oil/041621-us-reliance-on-russian-oil-hits-record-high-despite-souring-ties
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Feb 24, 2022 20:23
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Solaris 2.0 posted:https://twitter.com/StratcomCentre/status/1496922915954216962?s=20&t=KMOgkqZ7xoxDgOAAOKLtdA Yes it is, given what was pointed out with regards to their training and capability. It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things re: Ukraine falling to Russian forces, but still.
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Feb 24, 2022 20:23
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I'd assume "destoyed" in this case means "surrendered" rather than killed, which may be honestly more embarrassing
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Feb 24, 2022 20:23
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Solaris 2.0 posted:https://twitter.com/StratcomCentre/status/1496922915954216962?s=20&t=KMOgkqZ7xoxDgOAAOKLtdA https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1496927712312803329?t=xbjZQ3mLbw91X3Ipj89iVQ&s=19
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mightygerm posted:MANPADS are designed to take out helicopters and low flying aircraft, they won’t do poo poo against fighters and bombers. Helicopters and low flying ground support aircraft are basically the needed air support for urban assaults. Russia dropping high altitude bombs and missiling targets will cause a poo poo ton of damage and is going to make Russia look even worse. Its a non ideal application.
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Nenonen posted:Finnish foreign ministry has been illuminated with Sweden's colours or something, idk
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Assaults on airports like that were risky even when in the 40s where command/control was not as integrated. If true, it’s a spectacular tactical failure by the Russians.
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Feb 24, 2022 20:24
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There's already been footage of helicopters shot down outside of Kiev as well.
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Feb 24, 2022 20:25
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OwlFancier posted:It might not help the defence that much but it's certainly a big lol if they just got their special forces killed and achieved basically nothing. Can't imagine there wasn't a plan to drop in reinforcements that got disrupted. Whoever nailed that transport aircraft with a MANPADS might just have made a huge difference in how this works out.
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It would be like Delta/Seals/MARSOC or something being repelled from a major US objective. A huge black eye.
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They seized Chernobyl? That feels like a thing you do in a strategy game to get a bonus (with a trade off)
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Solaris 2.0 posted:holy poo poo if this is true then that is absolutely embarrassing for the Russian armed forces. Unless it was a special forces in-n-out to just cripple the airport equipment with no intention to hold it? OTOH if the task group was meant to hold it and either clear the way for heavier cargo planes or wait for land forces to connect then that would be a colossal failure. Strange that they haven't tweeted pics yet then.
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Feb 24, 2022 20:28
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I hope this isn’t against the rules but Ukraine is proving a lot more challenging to Russia than Georgia in 2008, and this is with the military reforms Russia underwent. Absolutely insane.
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Feb 24, 2022 20:29
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FishBulbia posted:https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1496927712312803329?t=xbjZQ3mLbw91X3Ipj89iVQ&s=19 That’s too bad , let’s remember to take news with a big grain of salt until video evidence, the Russians have total air superiority so it’s very likely a ukranian attempt to retake the airport could be repulsed.
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presumably those forces there are the most elite in the russian military, pretty disastrous (if true)
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Shifty Pony posted:Can't imagine there wasn't a plan to drop in reinforcements that got disrupted. Whoever nailed that transport aircraft with a MANPADS might just have made a huge difference in how this works out. https://twitter.com/arabnews/status/1496929516211605508 Not sure which is worse for Russia; losing it to a MANPADS or their planes just failing under pressure.
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Solaris 2.0 posted:https://twitter.com/StratcomCentre/status/1496922915954216962?s=20&t=KMOgkqZ7xoxDgOAAOKLtdA Yeah if this true that's a huge propaganda victory for Ukraine and honestly pretty demoralizing for the Russian forces. Your best special forces got splatted by the Ukrainian guard within hours and achieved nothing Again, this war does not seem to be panning out well for Putin at all
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ZombieLenin posted:I don’t think Putin understands that the United States, Great Britain, and France are also “powerful nuclear states.” Who does he think he’s threatening with that sort of talk? He's big on incendiary statements and brinkmanshippy threats just as a political strategy, but: crazy. I would not have taken "crazy" as an option before the events of the last week. I'm forced to change my mind in this regard. The general image of Putin as a canny manipulator with rational (if belligerent) long-term aims has effectively been ended by his most recent public meetings and speeches. He's poisoned by hypernationalist revanchism, and his resulting imperialism cannot be predicted by what a leader might do rationally. Normally, governmental systems have ways to blunt or entangle these expressions, but he's re-effected soviet dictatorship in practice and, as a commander, appears one way or another to have ensured he's surrounded only by those who will never disagree with him on Sacred Matters, nor tell him something he doesn't want to hear, if they value their own skins.
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