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DaysBefore posted:So the Ukranians held Kharkiv then? Haven't seen anything announcing it fell and there aren't any explosions on the livestream (that I see) Yes. There was heavy combat around its perimeter, but the city holds.
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Winning an invasion is one thing, if Russia tries to annex and occupy Ukraine and there is an insurgency that's a whole other kettle of fish.
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MLSM posted:Have you heard of Azov Battalion? That's a minister? Undersecretary?
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Randarkman posted:I thought I heard that it had fallen hours ago. That's in the south where the Ukrainians supposedly mostly retreated without a fight, though I don't know how far. The one from a few hours ago as the area north of crimea that had the water pumps, this is now a swing to creating a land bridge from Donetsk to crimea
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MLSM posted:Have you heard of Azov Battalion? Quick Russia invade the US
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khwarezm posted:I wonder how the average Russian Trooper is feeling about fighting Ukrainians? Like the two countries are incredibly close culturally. among other things, depends on how they ended up getting Conscripted and how long they've spent sitting around waiting for food, how much of the russian nationalism line they believed before, and how solid they might end up feeling about the cries and lamentations of others in their own language in opposition to the expectation they be greeted as 'liberators'
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steinrokkan posted:That's a minister? Undersecretary? Secretary of the interior A. Battalion.
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MLSM posted:Have you heard of Azov Battalion? Oh, amazing! Welcome to Ukrainian political chat!  I hope you learn something!Does anyone have any intel on consolidation points for Ukrainian citizens looking to evacuate by land? Aside from the obvious Lviv through yavoriv- I think maybe Chernivtsi into Romania? Martial law is making it difficult and the nature of the strikes is pretty wide ranging. Not sure how to advise my friends.
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TulliusCicero posted:Russian Command is so wierd strategically Classic Russian strategy, they've got more bodies that their opponent has bullets...
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Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1496947771546521604?s=20&t=M4WXLaS_x3Yq1FKOdQU8fg He dropped hints of threat of nuclear response. Going radio silent with other heads of state is going to make them incredibly nervous which is not in his best interest while they are trying to figure out responses.
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quote:Cool cool glad nuclear loving war is on the table. Reminding the insane douche bag who has literally threatened to use nuclear weapons twice in the last 24 hours that the people he is threatening also have nuclear weapons does not mean “nuclear war is on the table.” Quite the opposite, I think it translates to something like: “Hey, fuckhead, the side you keep threatening to use nuclear weapons on has not one, but three major nuclear armed states. Take a deep breath, dial the douchbaggary back down from a 12 to a 9 and stop acting like nuclear war is an option for Russia since we both know we would annihilate each other.”
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Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/olgatokariuk/status/1496945998475808769?s=20&t=icr6LFCkxtP1pPQCoRoLbw they are gonna destroy it now and probably hold the remnants.
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Kaddish posted:No, it wasn't a month. Forces were rolling across the desert from Qatar/Kuwait/Saudi Arabia immediately. In the Gulf War, there were bombardments starting on January 17, followed by a ground assault on February 24. So you're quite mistaken.
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Kaddish posted:Ukraine cannot win a conventional war against Russia, which this appears to be. It's a matter of time and how things escalate outside of Ukraine. Probably true, but maintaining supply lines even into a neighboring country can be shockingly difficult. The longer this drags on, the more difficult and expensive it will be for Russia.
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Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1496947771546521604?s=20&t=M4WXLaS_x3Yq1FKOdQU8fg Surprised Macron bothered. This invasion makes it 1000% clear that the only reason Russia didn't take over Ukraine after the 2014 revolution was that it wasn't ready to do so. There really isn't diplomacy to be had until Russia hits another wall either militarily or economically.
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uXs posted:In the Gulf War, there were bombardments starting on January 17, followed by a ground assault on February 24. So you're quite mistaken. My mistake.
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DandyLion posted:Classic Russian strategy, they've got more bodies that their opponent has bullets... I mean, if it's one thing Russia actually doesn't have alot of it's young people. The demographic situation is not good, though obviously we aren't going to be looking at WW2 casualty rates here.
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White House is hosting a news conference. I'm guessing it'll be about the war, but never know these days. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY1Vx89fxCw
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Orthanc6 posted:Surprised Macron bothered. This invasion makes it 1000% clear that the only reason Russia didn't take over Ukraine after the 2014 revolution was that it wasn't ready to do so. There really isn't diplomacy to be had until Russia hits another wall either militarily or economically. Macron is a real slut for humiliation, huh
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sean10mm posted:Winning an invasion is one thing, if Russia tries to annex and occupy Ukraine and there is an insurgency that's a whole other kettle of fish. Everything I've seen from Ukrainians who still have access to social media suggests that they are going to stand their ground till the end. Ukraine is huge and has a population nearly 1/3 of Russia's. Russia may take a pyrrhic victory but it will have a hell of a time keeping it.
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uXs posted:In the Gulf War, there were bombardments starting on January 17, followed by a ground assault on February 24. So you're quite mistaken. In 2003 though the ground phase started 1 day after the air bombardment. I think the lesson everyone took in that last 30 years is that an extended air campaign just has you blow through all of your precision stockpiles while given the opponent time to recover - better just to go with everything on day one and keep them off balance.
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Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1496947771546521604?s=20&t=M4WXLaS_x3Yq1FKOdQU8fg I wonder if it was a "VERY UNFAIR" Trump style rant but in Russian Wierd how Macron seems to be the point guy for NATO negotations with Putin at the moment.
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Shooting Blanks posted:Probably true, but maintaining supply lines even into a neighboring country can be shockingly difficult. The longer this drags on, the more difficult and expensive it will be for Russia. this. they had a chance to end it early and they hosed up and probably lost a bunch of special forces guys in the process because they tried to do what the US is an expert in. i think ukraine loses the conventional war but its gonna be dragged out awhile longer now.
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TulliusCicero posted:I wonder if it was a "VERY UNFAIR" Trump style rant but in Russian
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TulliusCicero posted:I wonder if it was a "VERY UNFAIR" Trump style rant but in Russian Idk, I get second hand embarrassment thinking of either Biden or BJ talking to literally anyone on the phone.
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Macron has wanted to be the point guy for European anything for some time, so makes sense.
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TulliusCicero posted:I wonder if it was a "VERY UNFAIR" Trump style rant but in Russian makes sense. France has always been a very very very strong nato partner despite what 00 era republicans act. its nice that they got short with him when he tried to feed him the stupid line bullshit. also Nessus posted:Macron seems to have been putting himself as the honest broker so to speak, and someone has to talk to the guy. Talking to Macron may be more politically acceptable than to the hated Nato or Joseph the Biden. this
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steinrokkan posted:Macron is a real slut for humiliation, huh He did marry his teacher after all
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TulliusCicero posted:Wierd how Macron seems to be the point guy for NATO negotations with Putin at the moment. France has the largest and best conventional army in Europe.
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They declared victory prematurely again? https://twitter.com/haynesdeborah/status/1496949767863255053
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TulliusCicero posted:I wonder if it was a "VERY UNFAIR" Trump style rant but in Russian Eh, it kind of has to be him at this point. The U.S. can't be seen leading this because let's be real, we don't have much credibility when it comes to not engaging in wars of choice. Germany has its issues with Russia, the UK under Boris has been too hawkish towards Russia to be a good point man in this, so that basically leaves France as the obvious choice. e: beaten like the Russian paras at Hostomel airfield!
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France has a long history of both hating NATO and wanting to run it.
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Thom12255 posted:They declared victory prematurely again? maybe, who knows. we won't get a clear picture.
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uXs posted:In the Gulf War, there were bombardments starting on January 17, followed by a ground assault on February 24. So you're quite mistaken. I believe the 2003 Invasion was different. There was that massive "shock-n-awe" aerial campaign and US/British forces moved in simultaneously. It still took a month before they reached Baghdad/Saddam was toppled and the US/British had as many troops for that invasion as Russia does for this one, though Iraq is much smaller. The Iraqi army was also in much worse shape than the Ukrainian military.
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Fragrag posted:He did marry his teacher after all No kinkshaming
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Thom12255 posted:They declared victory prematurely again? This looks like she’s just retracting the previous story, and is not up to speed with current news.
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Thom12255 posted:They declared victory prematurely again? Oh c'mon.
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khwarezm posted:I wonder how the average Russian Trooper is feeling about fighting Ukrainians? Like the two countries are incredibly close culturally. Based on the eight years of conflict in Eastern Ukraine, Russian nationalism is strong, and a lot of Russians consider Ukrainians to be "the other". youcallthatatwist posted:Very bad in the broadest sense, like "this should not be happening at all" bad Well, Russia seems to have tried a lot of ballsy things like going straight for a decapitation strike on Kyiv, and those don't seem to be going that well, but yeah, there's no way Ukraine can beat them in a conventional war. And this is if for no other reason than that Russia will, sooner or later, establish air superiority over the whole country. sean10mm posted:Winning an invasion is one thing, if Russia tries to annex and occupy Ukraine and there is an insurgency that's a whole other kettle of fish. But yeah there's also this. Eastern Ukraine may have enough people who identify as Russian to welcome the invaders, but most of the rest of the country definitely will not. They also have something like 900,000 reservists, so if even one-tenth of those turn into insurgents, that's a huge ball-ache for a Russian occupation.
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