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Dapper_Swindler posted:maybe, who knows. we won't get a clear picture. https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1496950008339484672?s=20&t=xhoLmHZjuOJLz1X4sDuAEA
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Franks Happy Place posted:France has the largest and best conventional army in Europe. Genuinely surprised: I thought for sure that was Germany Do they have the biggest nuclear stockpile of the European powers as well? TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Feb 24, 2022 |
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Dapper_Swindler posted:maybe, who knows. we won't get a clear picture. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if the VDV units have dissolved into small cells and switched to guerilla tactics to be a thorn on the Ukrainian forces
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For what it’s worth, some of the biggest Ukrainian nationalists you’ll ever meet live in Eastern Ukraine in cities like Kharkiv, Poltava, and Dnipro.
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TulliusCicero posted:Genuinely surprised: Germany's is probably, relative to size, one of the most decrepit.
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TulliusCicero posted:Genuinely surprised: Germany’s army is so underfunded the soldiers have been photographed doing rifle drills with painted brooms. It’s the running joke, that Poland could trounce Germany in conventional warfare.
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BigRed0427 posted:So how are you guys following all this? Just twitter? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgdw2vseGqo Good indpendent news live stream if you wanna be ahead of CNN etc as they cover social media posts and videos (verified as best as they can). They do the twitter lookups and verifications live for you, so easier to keep in another tab while doing other work. Rad Russian fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Feb 24, 2022 |
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Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1496946293947899909?s=20&t=exe0rzWFRk-gmt4mCCqVYw Click his name so you see his feed in chronological order.  According to this the battle is over. But, who knows. It's night and there could be a lot of confusion. Let's hope it holds. e: ah sorry, I misread your post  Yeah, that's possible.
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TulliusCicero posted:Genuinely surprised: Europe doesn’t generally feel comfortable with Germany having a big army
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bad_fmr posted:From finnish perspective, following the news and discussion in the recent weeks have been really perplexing. Leftists especially in USA seem to have absolutely massive blind spots about Russia in general and Putin in specific. Modern Russia is and has been an aggressive ethnonationalist authoritarian state committing war crimes and assassinating people wherever they choose. That you would choose to give benefit of doubt to Russia seems insane. Yes I understand that CIA is bad and NATO/USA has done dumb poo poo, but these do not change the facts. Ironically it's a form of American exceptionalism turned on its head; in any conflict involving the US in any way the US is uniquely evil and wrong, and we must focus completely on the US and its faults and ignore or pardon what any other country is doing. In fact the US is so evil it justifies by whataboutism the most wretched behavior by any country because the US has done it worse, up to and including genocide. America Inc. fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Feb 24, 2022 |
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TulliusCicero posted:Genuinely surprised:
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Once they provide us with a video of ukranian soldiers in the airport we’ll know for sure
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Maybe the airport got shelled so hard it opened a rift in reality, one where the Russians occupy the airport and one where the Ukranians repulsed them exist at the same time
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Germany’s army is so underfunded the soldiers have been photographed doing rifle drills with painted brooms. It’s the running joke, that Poland could trounce Germany in conventional warfare. Hitler's skull is spinning in some jar somewhere
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Germany’s army is so underfunded the soldiers have been photographed doing rifle drills with painted brooms. It’s the running joke, that Poland could trounce Germany in conventional warfare. It's less underfunding and more mismanagement. Germany has still the 7th highest military budget in the world.
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BigRed0427 posted:So how are you guys following all this? Just twitter? I'm using the Reddit live feed which is surprisingly good at aggregating twitter sources: https://www.reddit.com/live/18hnzysb1elcs/
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Majorian posted:Eh, it kind of has to be him at this point. The U.S. can't be seen leading this because let's be real, we don't have much credibility when it comes to not engaging in wars of choice. Germany has its issues with Russia, the UK under Boris has been too hawkish towards Russia to be a good point man in this, so that basically leaves France as the obvious choice. Partly beaten, but this ties back into this quote: Dapper_Swindler posted:makes sense. France has always been a very very very strong nato partner despite what 00 era republicans act. its nice that they got short with him when he tried to feed him the stupid line bullshit. Unless you mean a strong partner in terms of military strength, this is patently untrue. France has always been one of the most independent of the NATO members, to the extent that they actually withdrew from NATO for a number of years starting in the late 1960s. I don't remember the details of when and how they fully rejoined, but it was quite a long time. This is significant because it gives France and, by extension, a certain amount of credibility to be acting on behalf of the EU but not NATO. And since it is accurate to say that they're probably the closest thing to a peer adversary in Russia, Putin likely took the call in case Macron's statement was going to be "gently caress NATO, we're going to support an independent Ukraine in any way we can of our own accord."
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TulliusCicero posted:Genuinely surprised: The French army is smaller than America's but is a legit no-loving-around murdering machine that still to this day enforces a global colonial empire (aka lots of practice shooting people). They have a core of incredibly well trained professional soldiers, a functional aircraft carrier group, and a first rate air force. And yes, a buttload of nukes. Like several hundred operational warheads, including second-strike capacity. I actually don't think Russia could beat them in a conventional war in a vacuum.
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Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1496950008339484672?s=20&t=xhoLmHZjuOJLz1X4sDuAEA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzrYgDnewSI lol putin just wasted the lives of a bunch of elite soldiers because he felt small.
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Zalinsky needs, for the duration of this conflict (and thereafter), to put on his old hat and deliver all public statements in the medium of standup comedy, a thing Russia hates even more than western democracy.
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GaussianCopula posted:It's less underfunding and more mismanagement. Germany has still the 7th highest military budget in the world. It's really easy to have a top 10 military budget if you are a European army paying a competitve wage. It's really misleading to look at top line $ amounts: this is particulary true if you are comparing the US and Russia and don't take into account the purchasing power disparity that exists because Russia pays for everything in Roubles.
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I'ma gonna go on weekend to demonstrate with local Ukrainians. Hope you all will. THAT'LL show Putin 
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If this is true, were most of them captured? Or did they just get surrounded and hammered to death with conventional arms fire?
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TulliusCicero posted:Genuinely surprised:  This is just precious. Why the hell did you think that? Did you somehow manage to miss every single news about Germany, all your life? For some actual content: Our commander-in-chief just had to confess that our army is currently so weak, we can't even properly fulfill our treaty-obligations anymore. If it were us instead of Ukraine, we'd all be dead now (and not because of nukes, to be clear).
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Kavros posted:If this is true, were most of them captured? Or did they just get surrounded and hammered to death with conventional arms fire? https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1496951654645747723 Not sure I 100% believe this though
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TulliusCicero posted:Genuinely surprised: Germany is a massive exporter, but has a really pitiful military. They don't even have enough machineguns to arm their already small ground forces.
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Sir Bobert Fishbone posted:Just caught what appear to be at least three small but separate groups of troops moving into downtown Kharkiv from the north: Are those Russians? Is there any indications that the Russians have broken into downtown Kharkiv?
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just catching up but wow, Putin is going to try and ride this out on his stolen billions and throw the rest of Russia to the wolves https://twitter.com/TimOBrien/status/1496867400117014533
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EvilHawk posted:https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1496951654645747723 They can always provide us with video of them strolling into the airport, i don’t want to wake up tomorrow to daylight footage of the Russians still holding the airport
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Franks Happy Place posted:The French army is smaller than America's but is a legit no-loving-around murdering machine that still to this day enforces a global colonial empire (aka lots of practice shooting people). They have a core of incredibly well trained professional soldiers, a functional aircraft carrier group, and a first rate air force. Russia could 100% beat France in a conventional war. They have massively more manpower, tanks, and combat aircraft. Remember how the UK and France were at their limit bombing Libya before the US took over?
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Europe doesn’t generally feel comfortable with Germany having a big army Neither do the Germans. It's an article of faith in Germany that anyone in an army is an idiot.
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Logistics wins wars and all of Western Europe combined doesnt have the airlift capability to fight a big boy war outside of it's own borders for more than a week or two
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TulliusCicero posted:Genuinely surprised: France is no joke. It's just been a really long time since they properly hosed someone up. But they absolutely could.
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Nenonen posted:Click his name so you see his feed in chronological order. Congrats to proud Ukrainian tools
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Kavros posted:If this is true, were most of them captured? Or did they just get surrounded and hammered to death with conventional arms fire? We have no details. We (kind of) know it was 31st VDV, so almost literally the best infantry brigade Russia has, think Russian MARSOC. We also know that they held the airfield for half a day, and that Ukrainians ended up escalating to tanks and artillery fire. If I had to make a guess, they got blow up alongside their cover.
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Sinteres posted:Russia could 100% beat France in a conventional war. They have massively more manpower, tanks, and combat aircraft. Remember how the UK and France were at their limit bombing Libya before the US took over? They most likely couldn't, in a war where the French were on the defensive, in prepared positions.
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The economic damage this is going to do in the long run to Russia really does not seem worth it for fairly minor territorial gains unless I'm missing out on some vitally important reason for Russia to want to occupy Ukraine. Like did Putin just hope this would go over the same as annexing Crimea and no one would really care?
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Sinteres posted:Russia could 100% beat France in a conventional war. They have massively more manpower, tanks, and combat aircraft. Buddy I promise you, if GIGN was the one taking an airport, everyone in possession of a rusty musket for 500 miles around the point of attack would have been warcrimed into oblivion the night before. Call me the next time Russia is launching air strikes halfway across the world like a proper empire.
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