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Mazerunner posted:Rachel and Jake's families are Jewish anyway So if anything she should know the name is, too
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Capfalcon posted:Religion as a whole basically doesn't exist for the Animorphs, from what I can tell, so yes, it was pretty jarring. I seem to recall Michael Grant saying both he and Applegate were atheists, so when it came time to write Gone, he made one of the main characters a visible and practicing Catholic both for the sake of diversity among the characters and to challenge himself to try and write a character who was as ideologically opposite as he could think while still making them a sympathetic and heroic character.
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# ? Feb 22, 2022 21:19 |
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In Animorphs, Cassie and her parents are religious Catholics.
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# ? Feb 22, 2022 23:53 |
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So what's the Animorphs holiday special gonna be like?
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# ? Feb 23, 2022 01:38 |
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dungeon cousin posted:So what's the Animorphs holiday special gonna be like? The Animorphs need to get Ax home so he can celebrate an Andalite holiday with his family, but they're chased by the evil Visser Three. Also, for some reason, we find out that Ax's father is really into erotic VR of pop singers.
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Epicurius posted:The Animorphs need to get Ax home so he can celebrate an Andalite holiday with his family, but they're chased by the evil Visser Three. Also, for some reason, we find out that Ax's father is really into erotic VR of pop singers. The animated interlude with the Drode was really cool though, I hope it gets its own streaming service show one day
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# ? Feb 23, 2022 02:57 |
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Epicurius posted:The Animorphs need to get Ax home so he can celebrate an Andalite holiday with his family, but they're chased by the evil Visser Three. Also, for some reason, we find out that Ax's father is really into erotic VR of pop singers. Fuckin' Life Day...
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# ? Feb 23, 2022 03:46 |
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Chapter 5quote:<Councilor,> Ax said, his voice tight. <The inspector is a candidate member of the Council of Thirteen.> So, at least in this case, the author isn't ignoring previous books. What do you all think of Rachel's plan? Chapter 6 quote:“Crap.” Tobias doing a good job not answering the question....
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# ? Feb 23, 2022 04:29 |
Her plan, the idea at least, is sound. Putting ideas into action, though...
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# ? Feb 23, 2022 04:35 |
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If they don't want Visser 3 replaced I don't see the point of doing this at all.
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# ? Feb 23, 2022 05:46 |
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OctaviusBeaver posted:If they don't want Visser 3 replaced I don't see the point of doing this at all. If it were anyone else, getting replaced would end up getting removed permanently. But the prime issue with Visser Three is that he's infesting an Andalite. As far as leadership, they generally agree he's a net negative on the invasion. But, there's no way the council would execute Visser Three in his host, so they'd have the same problem of a morph capable opponent (with admittedly far less experience) and roll the dice on the leadership score. One alternative that they don't bring up is that cornering Visser Three is more likely to lead to a Yeerk Civil war than him quietly resigning to execution, but there's a lot of moving pieces there that the Animorphs don't have control over. Overall, I think the assassination was worth it, but this is too dangerous even if they were at full strength.
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# ? Feb 23, 2022 06:26 |
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I'm choosing to believe Ax saw someone making cinnamon buns on TV and went absolutely apeshit with the forbidden knowledge he had obtained.
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# ? Feb 23, 2022 06:30 |
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Chapter 7quote:“You know, before I started hanging with you people, I didn’t even know there was such a thing as sunrise. No, I mean it. I knew the sun set. And when I woke up each morning it was back in the sky. But the actual rising part …” I'm going to say right here. I'm not sure Rachel is a great leader. Chapter 8 quote:We demorphed from birds behind the massive stacks of cardboard boxes in the alley behind the local bookstore. I do feel bad about wrecking a bookstore. Also, I'm pretty sure that Animorphs counts as Intermediate Books.
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# ? Feb 24, 2022 04:41 |
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Cassie has a niece? I'm guessing that was meant to be cousin.
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# ? Feb 24, 2022 07:46 |
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WrightOfWay posted:Cassie has a niece? I'm guessing that was meant to be cousin. Have any siblings of hers been mentioned before?
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# ? Feb 24, 2022 08:07 |
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It feels a bit cavalier to have Ax in particular galloping around in front of a bunch of witnesses. Have they ever done that before? If you're worried about an old guy falling over maybe you should also be worried about the Controller-heavy police in your town forcefully infesting every witness to today's alien sightings.quote:The problem is, hubris usually results in some extremely nasty payback. Like being so horrified when you learn that something you did was really, really wrong that you pluck out your own eyes. It kind of scared me, reading about those heroes and warriors and kings. Oh, go on, we've already exposed the children of this series to plenty of horrors, do tell us what exactly it was Oedipus did!
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# ? Feb 24, 2022 08:46 |
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WrightOfWay posted:Cassie has a niece? I'm guessing that was meant to be cousin. I'm assuming it was meant to be cousin. But who knows....maybe she has a niece. Maybe her niece is a controller! She can fit in with everybody else's family.
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# ? Feb 24, 2022 15:09 |
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Sadly, intimidating the Yeerks is going to have to wait until tomorrow. Sorry about that.
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# ? Feb 25, 2022 04:54 |
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...he typed from the wreckage of his house, trashed by the Animorphs during their blitzkrieg operation
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# ? Feb 25, 2022 05:31 |
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"average person suffers 3 gorilla attacks a year" factoid actualy just a statistical error. average person fights 0 rhinos per year. Falcon Georg, who lives in an affluent west coast city & fights half a dozen wild animals every week, is an outlier adn should not have been counted
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# ? Feb 25, 2022 06:34 |
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You guys ever feel like Falcon Georg is involved in a suspicious amount of exotic animal attacks for someone that runs a convenience store?
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# ? Feb 25, 2022 06:37 |
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If the FBI refuses to re-establish its exotic animal black market taskforce after all twenty agents declared "nothing to see here" after mysteriously long visits to The Gap and McDonald's, then I'm simply going to have to demand the Chamber of Commerce hire private investigators, I cannot operate a small business in this volatile environment
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# ? Feb 25, 2022 07:17 |
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Malpais Legate posted:You guys ever feel like Falcon Georg is involved in a suspicious amount of exotic animal attacks for someone that runs a convenience store? What? He's simply a very dedicated small business owner. In fact I can't remember the last time he took a holiday for longer than three days!
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# ? Feb 25, 2022 07:45 |
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Chapter 9quote:“Next stop, Style-a-riffic!” They are doing a good job keeping track of Controllers, who apparently are the backbone of the town's economy. Chapter 10 quote:We ruled! The old standbys - force and surprise - served us well. Put us totally in charge of the town! So i feel like, I dunno, Rachel never thought this threw if she didn't realize that this plan might have unexpected casualties. And. of course, she obviously didn't. She's been sort of high on her own plan. Epicurius fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Feb 26, 2022 |
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This still... doesn't make a lot of sense, which might be the point in a different book, but Marco and Cassie are just kinda going along with Rachel here.. In theory, if they were going to be offing prestigious Controllers to reduce their hold on the city, I'd get it, but no way would a series of targeted hits fly in kidlit. So, we're just running around, causing havoc. Maybe they're accomplishing keeping people away from known infestation sites by wrecking the place, but even the end goal of embarrassing Visser Three into a show trial and execution is specifically what they said they didn't want. Also, there's no way this doesn't become national news, even in the 90s. Wild animals go ape across bustling California town? Every reporter on the western seaboard wants a crack at that.
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# ? Feb 26, 2022 04:55 |
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Ax is going around all these places as an Andalite too. Dozens, maybe hundreds of uninfested humans have seen a knifedeer alien wrecking stuff. So this takes it from X Files “there’s something weird going on in this town but nobody knows what” to XCOM “it’s public knowledge that an alien is doing crimes with a gang of animals”
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# ? Feb 26, 2022 05:07 |
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Capfalcon posted:This still... doesn't make a lot of sense, which might be the point in a different book, but Marco and Cassie are just kinda going along with Rachel here.. So, let me start by saying that I agree with you that it's not a great plan. That being said, I understand what Rachel is trying to do here. There's a tactic among resistance movements sometimes, especially if they've been lying low for a while, to "show the flag"....engage in aggressive and showy operations, both to rally your own people and also to shake up the enemy. It's a way to say "We're still around., we're still fighting, don't get complacent", which is what I think she's trying to do here. The danger of that is that it usually leads to a crackdown, which is something these kids can't really endure.
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# ? Feb 26, 2022 05:13 |
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I'm not going to lie, without some kind of pretense for it, Rachel in I-Should-Be-In-Charge mode always felt out of character to me.
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# ? Feb 26, 2022 05:29 |
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Skellybones posted:Ax is going around all these places as an Andalite too. Dozens, maybe hundreds of uninfested humans have seen a knifedeer alien wrecking stuff. I do like the idea of Mulder holding a wanted poster of Ax, saying, "I know... I know you're out there." Epicurius posted:So, let me start by saying that I agree with you that it's not a great plan. That being said, I understand what Rachel is trying to do here. There's a tactic among resistance movements sometimes, especially if they've been lying low for a while, to "show the flag"....engage in aggressive and showy operations, both to rally your own people and also to shake up the enemy. It's a way to say "We're still around., we're still fighting, don't get complacent", which is what I think she's trying to do here. The danger of that is that it usually leads to a crackdown, which is something these kids can't really endure. Fair enough. I get the idea of running lots of operations to hit the Yeerks in the morale and cause general havoc in their operations. I'm still a bit stuck on the initial plan, but Rachel's probably lost the plot now that they're on a smashing spree. Rachel's shakey voice aside, I've liked the last few chapters as some good, effective action. Tunzie posted:I'm not going to lie, without some kind of pretense for it, Rachel in I-Should-Be-In-Charge mode always felt out of character to me. I can sort of see it in the "Wow, Jake makes this out to be way harder than it is, when I all I have to do is order people to go fast and break things. I must have a natural gift for this, never mind that hubris thing I was wondering about a few chapters back!" way. So, not leadership for control or power, but the ability to start missions so she can mainline adrenaline with no one restraining her.
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# ? Feb 26, 2022 06:12 |
Yup. I forget what happens next, but the text is certainly setting her up for a nice little 'quit while you're ahead' moment.
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# ? Feb 26, 2022 06:55 |
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quote:Jake would be proud of me when he got back. Or maybe a little jealous. Maybe even a lot jealous. That was okay, too. Things changed. People changed. Situations changed. Jake had been the leader for a long time. Maybe it was time he took a well-deserved rest. Way out of character. Something David or Mean Rachel from the dumb starfish book would think.
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# ? Feb 26, 2022 09:50 |
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I was just thinking that - are we sure this isn't Mean Rachel who is literally unable to conceptualise the future? I mean even if it was resistance flag waving, there's no one to rally!
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Chapter 11quote:We met up in part of the dense wood surrounding the Community Center and its playground and picnic areas. Still in our traveling bird morphs, mostly for security. Scattered on perches within several yards of one another. So, Animorphs leadership lesson. Rachel is doubting herself here, which, you know, is natural. However, unfortunately, the way she's dealing with her self doubt is taking it out on the rest of the Animorphs. They're scared, they're uncomfortable, they're also freaked out the old man died, and they need reassurance. But Rachel, because she's already doubting herself, is treating this as an attack on her leadership, and in response, she's bullying them to accept her leadership. That's how I see the polar bear line at the end. Rachel is afraid she's weak, so she's reassuring herself by taking on one of the biggest, toughest, most aggressive morphs she has, but because she doesn't want to admit she's weak, she's projecting. "If YOU GUYS are that worried" This lets Rachel feel altruistic. Chapter 12 quote:“Did I hear you correctly?” Marco, almost totally demorphed, cupped his hand to his ear. ‘“Cause I don’t see anything wrong with our usual battle morphs.” So, Marco and Cassie have good points here. This is a dangerous mission, so they should go with the morphs they're most comfortable with, instead of morphing polar bears, which is something they don't do a lot, and you can see them having to fight the polar bear instinct there. But Rachel is nervous and she's afraid to back down. Also, good description of morphing here.
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# ? Feb 27, 2022 03:52 |
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I will say, that as bad as the plan is, Rachel does have a solid point in that using new morphs does imply there's more of them.
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# ? Feb 27, 2022 04:20 |
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I do think this book is built around a good idea. I do think teenagers in this situation would eventually attack individual Yeerks. That may not be best strategy, but it would happen. It’s truly interesting concept, and I don’t know if it happens in this book but would like to seem some Yeerks responses to this.
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# ? Feb 27, 2022 05:32 |
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Cassie is definitely right that they use their regular morphs for a reason, but I always enjoy it when they crack out the more obscure morphs in their arsenal because the situation happens to call for it again. But that's why this specifically annoys me: polar bears are not the rarely-used firepower in your arsenal. Four of you have elephant morphs and Marco has a rhino.
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# ? Feb 27, 2022 08:58 |
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Also wouldn't polar bears overheat like hell outside of the arctic climate they're evolved to handle?
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# ? Feb 27, 2022 17:46 |
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Chapter 13quote:We were in! Rache; is right. It was clearly time to pllaaaammmph. Also, a more general thing. The Animorphs have met the free Hork-Bajir and befriended them....Toby, her parents, etc. They know that naturally, the Hork-Bajir are friendly, peaceful, timid, and harmless, and victims of the Yeerks. In the last book, they were justifiably horrified by the experiments conducted on them and visibly affected by watching one of them die in front of them. So how come when they're fighting Human-Controllers, it's always, "I knocked the weapon out of her hand and knocked her out", but when they're fighting Hork Bajir-Controllers, it's "My jaws closed on the Hork Bajir as I disemboweled him."? I could in a way understand this difference in the past, where the Hork Bajir were just this general threat and they didn't think of the personality behind the Yeerk, but now....is it just human chauvinism that they seem to value Human lives more than Hork Bajir lives? Chapter 14 quote:I swung my head around. So they lost Cassie. This is bad. Meanwhile, Visser Three apparently acquired a Great Unclean One in his adventures. And points to CidGregor for pointing out the problem with the Polar Bear morph.
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# ? Feb 28, 2022 04:23 |
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I really can't imagine how they're gonna get out of this one. They're all incredibly injured and succumbing to heat exhaustion. Cassie is completely surrounded and likely has no opportunity to demorph. Feels like they might not even be able to run away since they're so close to the enemy base and are probably easy to keep up with.
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If this wasn't a filler book I'd be way more worried too that Rachel is breaking kayfabe and talking to yeerks all the time in what is clearly not the way an andalite would ever choose to communicate. Imagine the yeerk water cooler talk? "Yeah so then the andalite stood over me and instead of killing me or capturing me it told me to go home. Like, yeerks go home." "Weird! This one polar bear disarmed me and said 'this is for the old man.' What do you think that's about?" "So they're definitely morphing humans, right?" "Obviously." "We can't tell Visser 3 about that without him getting angry and killing us, right?" "Obviously."
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