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Edmond Dantes posted:https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1497217148267253760 Yes but that means something entirely different when you are invading a country specifically to enforce such. AND the Dacia Sandero!
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Tigey posted:I think this is an important point. This thread is fast moving, so its difficult to keep track of everything that is posted, but most of the social media posts, videos, commentator pieces, etc, are posted either by the Ukrainian government, people, or by commentators sympathetic to them (understandably so). "Not getting the Russian side" doesn't really mean much. We know it's all going to be made up propaganda bullshit, so it wouldn't add anything to the picture. Ukranian + independent reports will give us as clear of an idea of what's going on as we're going to get. Any Russian disinformation will just make things worse.
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Honestly to the people saying Ukraine should just accept those ridiculous terms Putin offered, do you think they aren't viewing this as an existential conflict? Not like "Everyone is going to die" existential but "If we give in to these terms then there won't be a Ukraine in five years and we'll be back under the boot heel of a country that historically hasn't respected our language, culture, or nation". Like after Putin's wacky speech a few days ago it's a bit hard to disagree with that being a potential future.
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golden bubble posted:https://news.bloomberglaw.com/banking-law/chinese-state-banks-restrict-financing-for-russian-commodities If China doesn't figure out some workarounds for Russia pretty quickly, they're hosed.
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TheRat posted:What's happened there? Almost looks like shrapnel from something that got shot down landed on a building? Don't know. Haven't heard from host sister or family yet. It can be assumed that there is an intense battle taking place in and around the city. It seems that the battle for Chernihiv has Ukrainian forces holding the Russians from advancing to Kyiv, which is a very short route. You can go from Chernihiv to Kyiv in about 2 hours by marshrutka.
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wilderthanmild posted:My understanding is that a tankie is someone who is a big fan of the Soviet Union and authoritarian forms of communism. Ostensibly they are communists, but basically just big fans of tanks, soviet era propaganda, and authoritarianism. What's a Putinist Tankie called at this point? Are there Tankies that support Putin? Genuine question
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Zero_Grade posted:Kyiv being so close to the Belarus border is not doing them any favors, but it's not like they weren't aware of that. From a US/western european perspective that airspace is no where near permissive enough for either side to put up a lot of planes without first putting forth massive effort in SEAD, but most countries air forces don't expect to gain and win aerial supremacy on Day 1 (or ever), so it's probably just pretty normal war planning for both sides. Agree it favors the side with fewer air assets.
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Sir Bobert Fishbone posted:Germany is apparently now open to banning Russia from SWIFT. you're doing great putin! getting everything you want!
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TulliusCicero posted:What's a Putinist Tankie called at this point? A trumpet?
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TheRat posted:If it was hastily thrown together with no planning US intel wouldn't have been able to leak it all over a lengthy period of time. Russia reducing gas deliveries over the winter so European storage is relatively empty now makes sense as well, nothing about this seems quickly thrown together.
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Sir Bobert Fishbone posted:That'll show them USSR was definitely crippled after they were expelled from the League of Nations in 1939.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I would take that bet. The accuracy of U.S. intelligence does seem to indicate a bunch of Russian officers weren't happy with Putin's plans and had hopes this would keep him from giving the green light.
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https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1497240686961336327?s=20&t=o7MGAVW0YmpSsLaIFsYsPQ Seems like a newer development?
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TulliusCicero posted:What's a Putinist Tankie called at this point? a dumb piece of poo poo.
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Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1497240686961336327?s=20&t=o7MGAVW0YmpSsLaIFsYsPQ yeah i believe so, they were holding it up basicaly.
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:Honestly to the people saying Ukraine should just accept those ridiculous terms Putin offered, do you think they aren't viewing this as an existential conflict? Not like "Everyone is going to die" existential but "If we give in to these terms then there won't be a Ukraine in five years and we'll be back under the boot heel of a country that historically hasn't respected our language, culture, or nation". the terms are fairly mild. it creates a state totally unable to defend itself against russian aggression but is otherwise independent. that's pretty much cold war finland. i don't think ukraine really has much of a choice, it's that or extinction.
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TulliusCicero posted:What's a Putinist Tankie called at this point? I saw folks defending Putin in the build up to this war by describing Putin's Russia as "the Soviet Union's successor state", so...
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Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1497240686961336327?s=20&t=o7MGAVW0YmpSsLaIFsYsPQ if germany's on board everyone probably is. some analysts said that a Swift ban could cause up to a 5% contraction in Russia's GDP. RIP russian economy.
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Trump posted:I have no military background, but isn't that actually a lot? You don't commit 100%, you need reserves and logistics and units to guard rear areas etc.. of all the combat troops russia moved up to the ukraine border, 1/3 of them are actively engaged. 2/3 are still in reserve the military logic here is that if you outnumber your opponent, you can attack on a broad front probing for weaknesses and then push more troops into the gaps you find without a miracle, ukraine will fall. the surprising part is that ukraine hasn't been a total pushover, and has been giving russia some seriously painful counterblows
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Dapper_Swindler posted:a dumb piece of poo poo. Cspam poster? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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wilderthanmild posted:My understanding is that a tankie is someone who is a big fan of the Soviet Union and authoritarian forms of communism. Ostensibly they are communists, but basically just big fans of tanks, soviet era propaganda, and authoritarianism. As a Marxist, they are not even ostensibly 'big C' Communists. They are Stalinists, which not to get into a slap fight or derail about Marxist theory, is something completely different than being a communist. In many ways they are some sort of amalgamation of National Socialism and Totalitarian Socialism--in Russia they call themselves National Bolsheviks and their flag of choice is literally a Nazi ensign with a hammer and sickle instead of a swastika.
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Zero_Grade posted:Kyiv being so close to the Belarus border is not doing them any favors, but it's not like they weren't aware of that. If Kyiv does fall, would the most likely plan of action for Ukrainian defenses be to fall back west and dig in as much as they can?
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Concerned Citizen posted:the terms are fairly mild. it creates a state totally unable to defend itself against russian aggression but is otherwise independent. that's pretty much cold war finland. i don't think ukraine really has much of a choice, it's that or extinction. I’ll be polite and say that I disagree with your point that a Ukraine unable to defend itself from Russian aggression can be independent.
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Russians fired on a second ship https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/1497243376147648517?t=XtTak2HrEJ5TFFeuZ7tIkg&s=19 From the facebook link: the first ship under Moldovian flag was carrying 600 tons of oil and diesel, and the more recent ship is under Panamanian registration carrying grain.
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TulliusCicero posted:What's a Putinist Tankie called at this point? Honestly I think in this day and age the migrated usage is probably just more useful, there is no soviet union any more and you can make plenty of arguments that they weren't very communist anyway, the core element of stanning for any strong man daddy to crush your
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mmkay posted:Roughly it came from apologizing away Soviet Union rolling in tanks to provide 'brotherly help' to regimes under danger (I guess Hungary and Czechoslovakia mostly). Correct the term dates back to the 1956 Hungarian uprising when, in Communist Party circles there were two factions. Those who wanted a peaceful resolution, and those who "wanted to send in the tanks" and crush the opposition. Wikipedia claims it came from the British Communist Party. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanki...n%20%28CPSU%29. These days it tends to mean left-leaning authoritarian types who get off on the idea of police/military being used to crush dissidents who are supposedly pro-US. Such as the Hong Kong protests. But you also get extreme cases like people literally cheering on Putin's war with Ukraine, or loving Assad.
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https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1497244849824677889 Tracks with what I've seen a lot of previously anti-NATO Finish leftists say.
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Edmond Dantes posted:https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1497217148267253760 Holy poo poo could they possibly be dumb enough to invade Finland *twice*
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Regalingualius posted:If Kyiv does fall, would the most likely plan of action for Ukrainian defenses be to fall back west and dig in as much as they can? If Ukraine continues to fight, Kyiv is going to take weeks to fall. Its a huge city with a huge populous. If Putin's goal was to weaken NATO and eliminate NATO border members, at this point he has utterly failed.
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punishedkissinger posted:So it looks like we should see a really huge push for Kyiv today? Are we expecting Russia to roll right through or what? probably wait till nighttime for more shelling/missile strikes and airstrikes and see whats up in the morning, they probably won't enter the city, but dig in a bit closer.
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wetdela posted:I’ll be polite and say that I disagree with your point that a Ukraine unable to defend itself from Russian aggression can be independent. well, there is historical precedent for it. yes, it is an infringement of their sovereignty but that is preferable to being incorporated into russia or having your leaders hand-selected by the kremlin. i am not really sure how serious the russians are, but the ukrainian position is essentially lost at this point. they don't really have options.
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah this is gonna be received well as Russia actively invades a country.
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Grouchio posted:Sorry the Russians are in Finnish territory 1) ready to invade or 2) there to stop the Finns from any wise ideas? 6 ft down
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TulliusCicero posted:If SWIFT is on the table now the Oligarchs have to be getting nervous at this point right? now I just got to worry about whether it will muzzle Putin or just anger him moreso
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Grouchio posted:Sorry the Russians are in Finnish territory 1) ready to invade or 2) there to stop the Finns from any wise ideas? They're 6 feet under, not 6 feet in.
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Concerned Citizen posted:the terms are fairly mild. it creates a state totally unable to defend itself against russian aggression but is otherwise independent. that's pretty much cold war finland. i don't think ukraine really has much of a choice, it's that or extinction. I think it's supremely foolish to think that a demilitarized Ukraine won't just get rolled up by Russia at the next opportunity after Putin's rhetoric.
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