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the holy poopacy posted:Zelensky only turned down those terms before because he was convinced NATO would actually do something. Less than 24 hours in he was saying "NATO's bullshit and we're on our own, let's talk about that neutral status." He might be willing to drag out the fight to avoid unconditional surrender and widespread purges of Russia's critics, but he's not getting himself and his country killed over an alliance that he now knows will never defend Ukraine. NATO was never going to do anything and made that very clear for a long time. Zelensky was not actually expecting any help from them at any time. You've rather badly misinterpreted Zelensky's comments.
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NYC councilmember coming in hot with some really bad takes: https://twitter.com/Kristin4Harlem/status/1497233928310173698 Nenonen posted:Well duh, they already gave their hats. What's left, socks?
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the holy poopacy posted:Zelensky only turned down those terms before because he was convinced NATO would actually do something. Less than 24 hours in he was saying "NATO's bullshit and we're on our own, let's talk about that neutral status." He might be willing to drag out the fight to avoid unconditional surrender and widespread purges of Russia's critics, but he's not getting himself and his country killed over an alliance that he now knows will never defend Ukraine. My interpretation of that episode was that Zelensky was jawboning to get NATO members to do more. I do not think he was actually surprised and I do not think he would have accepted terms if he had greater knowledge on how NATO countries would react.
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This isn't like the hit TV comedy "The Office" where you can simply DECLARE ARTICLE 5 and war begins. A country doesn't just get up on their desk and proclaim article 5 and suddenly the nukes fly.
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Hear ye the words of wisdom from a Finnish professor of psychiatry about the recent public appearances of Putin:quote:Whether Vladimir Putin has lost his mind is a question that has been repeated due to recent events. Nenonen fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Feb 25, 2022 |
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TulliusCicero posted:This was posted like 4 hours ago dude And...? Randarkman posted:Oh shut up fetishizing that Soviet military doctrine crap. That's not even where Russia is anymore, they've moved on and IRIC their current military practice is essentially based around fire support. Also it's easy to advance quickly when your enemy has withdrawn. I will say that Ukraine, like most of the fmr ussr has an absolute surplus of mil vehicles, that said, that is still a lot of gear to leave behind. I feel like this guy's assessment is still fairly accurate for that front.
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ummel posted:Curious about this one. Is it a video? Negative, tweet. https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/1497260088293269505
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Zero_Grade posted:NYC councilmember coming in hot with some really bad takes: Super bad take because Zelensky was elected afterwords, and there's been multiple elections. Outright irresponsible take.
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ummel posted:Curious about this one. Is it a video? e;fb
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More busses rolling into the crossing, more people now coming in. There’s police and fire service to ferry folks to a nearby reception center, but from what I heard everything here is saturated. Also constantly someone like me offering to carry people to Warsaw. I think unless poo poo comes down, this place will be overwhelmed by tomorrow .
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CommieGIR posted:For those who want it or those who donated to the relief thread, we are working on a gangtag by goon Loden Taylor Ok a dumb question but how does one go about getting one of these gangtags?
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Randarkman posted:Oh shut up fetishizing that Soviet military doctrine crap. That's not even where Russia is anymore, they've moved on and IRIC their current military practice is essentially based around fire support. Also, it's easy to advance quickly when your enemy has withdrawn. Flat open terrain with highways is all of Ukraine until you hit the Carpathians anyways.
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the holy poopacy posted:Zelensky only turned down those terms before because he was convinced NATO would actually do something. Less than 24 hours in he was saying "NATO's bullshit and we're on our own, let's talk about that neutral status." He might be willing to drag out the fight to avoid unconditional surrender and widespread purges of Russia's critics, but he's not getting himself and his country killed over an alliance that he now knows will never defend Ukraine. Sorry but If he actually thought NATO would directly interfere he is not fit to be president of anything
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FishBulbia posted:This is still building, no Iskanders used yet have they? We have seen some hits that could’ve been that, but I don’t think we’ll ever be able to ascertain all those night explosions or the initial shock-and-awe blast attempt.
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bad_fmr posted:Ok a dumb question but how does one go about getting one of these gangtags? I've added you to the list, its done.
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Is there any chance of a good faith negotiation taking place? Russia have firmly lost the optics and international support battle here, could be a way out if Putin hasn’t actually lost his mind that is
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Zero_Grade posted:NYC councilmember coming in hot with some really bad takes: The Butterfly meme but with "Is this a Tankie?"
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https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/1497260123315703811 https://twitter.com/ignis_fatum/status/1497329171646853127?s=20&t=0w4QE49CKo5kSI3OkBzmFQ
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Nenonen posted:Hear ye the words of wisdom from a Finnish professor of psychiatry about the recent public appearances of Putin: This is complete nonsense.
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Play posted:thank you, that's good information. I disagree. Commitments to mutual defense treaties should, in general, take longer than one election cycle, because if your government's opinion would change across one election cycle it might affect the credibility of such an alliance.
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FizFashizzle posted:This is complete nonsense. Body language analysis is bullshit, but especially bullshit when you dont have a baseline to go off of
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Public livestream of the UN Security council meeting starting soon. Video up, no talking yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfzvRN3FYDA Time to see if Russia's still the chair
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plogo posted:My interpretation of that episode was that Zelensky was jawboning to get NATO members to do more. I do not think he was actually surprised and I do not think he would have accepted terms if he had greater knowledge on how NATO countries would react. I mean he's explicitly trying to do both. He's entertaining whatever offer gives Ukraine the best odds. Cantide posted:Sorry but If he actually thought NATO would directly interfere he is not fit to be president of anything Deteriorata posted:NATO was never going to do anything and made that very clear for a long time. Zelensky was not actually expecting any help from them at any time. You've rather badly misinterpreted Zelensky's comments. I didn't specify NATO military intervention (although obviously he'd like that too.) He's been howling for more arms supplies and tougher sanctions from the start, though, and not bothering to hide his bitterness.
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FishBulbia posted:And...? Oh I'm sorry I didn't give the wanted response: RED ARMY THE STRONGEST THERE IS! Blah blah blah Dog Friday posted:Is there any chance of a good faith negotiation taking place? Russia have firmly lost the optics and international support battle here, could be a way out if Putin hasn’t actually lost his mind that is I suppose Putin could see this as an off-ramp and maybe push for an end to sanctions before Russia is locked out of SWIFT? Optics war and economically situation seems FUBAR for them
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TulliusCicero posted:The Butterfly meme but with "Is this a Tankie?" At very least she is deeply misinformed.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I'm about to invoke NATO Article 6hr if you will keep mentioning WW3 in every post.
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Cantide posted:Sorry but If he actually thought NATO would directly interfere he is not fit to be president of anything I think he hoped for deeper sanctions and more hardware, which may not have been realistic, but not as un-realistic as expecting NATO boots on the ground.
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Zero_Grade posted:NYC councilmember coming in hot with some really bad takes: Dude the number of US leftists fooled by Russian disinformation campaigns is blowing my loving mind
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Whatever he hoped for, his best strategy is to say anything that shames the West into doing more and should be read in that light. And I don't think there's anything cynical about following that strategy, it almost certainly is what he genuinely feels.
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Majorian posted:I think he hoped for deeper sanctions and more hardware, which may not have been realistic, but not as un-realistic as expecting NATO boots on the ground. I thought it was pretty obvious he was basically shaming them to increase aide or support in anyway. I don't think he had high hopes for NATO putting boots on the ground but he was probably correct that his urging/shaming is what got sanctions to increase and additional military supplies provided
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CommieGIR posted:I've added you to the list, its done. Me too, please?
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Epic Mount posted:Me too, please? Likewise.
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CommieGIR posted:I've added you to the list, its done. I'd also like one please.
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quarantinethepast posted:Dude the number of US leftists fooled by Russian disinformation campaigns is blowing my loving mind I have to say I was bamboozled by Vladmir Pozner's nonsense too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X7Ng75e5gQ Edit: Most of her points can be taken from Pozner's 'lawyer's defense' of Putin and the Soviet Union. Tezzeract fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Feb 25, 2022 |
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CommieGIR posted:I've added you to the list, its done. I would also love one <3
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfzvRN3FYDA The UN Security Council meeting is started.
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quarantinethepast posted:Dude the number of US leftists fooled by Russian disinformation campaigns is blowing my loving mind I mean, its just using bias against them, it how propaganda works. We're all susceptible to it.
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Dog Friday posted:Is there any chance of a good faith negotiation taking place? Russia have firmly lost the optics and international support battle here, could be a way out if Putin hasn’t actually lost his mind that is A way out of what? Putin probably see's the current situation as winning.
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