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A big flaming stink posted:honestly im more concerned that the state department is operating from the realpolitik position of "the more damage ukraine inflicts on russia's army, the better" regardless of the consequences to the ukrainian people I seriously doubt this. Russia, on its own over the last 48 hours, has demonstrated very clearly that the United States armed forces is so much more capable than Russia’s its almost laughable. Russia is an obvious strategic threat now to the EU and NATO, but at the present time her conventional forces are not in the least. And the funny thing is Putin basically showed the whole world his military, while dangerous to smaller non-NATO states, cannot really threaten the West.
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Feb 26, 2022 02:07
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Weather the "mainstream left" wants to admit it or not, we have a huge putin apology problem. Left spaces are filled with insanity like this right now. Regarding the DSA coming out as anti-any-sanctions:
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Feb 26, 2022 02:08
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Zelensky warned of an all-out assault tonight. It seems the Russians have been p consistent about starting their assaults around 3 in the morning.
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Feb 26, 2022 02:08
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ZombieLenin posted:I seriously doubt this. Russia, on its own over the last 48 hours, has demonstrated very clearly that the United States armed forces is so much more capable than Russia’s its almost laughable. Yeah, that's the ironic part: The US did pretty well in Afghanistan and Iraq, but the problem was there was no real plan, so the DOD was stuck holding its dick in its hand for 10+ years. This....this is pathetic on the part of the Russian military.
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Feb 26, 2022 02:08
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Dapper_Swindler posted:it lingers loving here too. some NYC council woman was saying insane poo poo about it. I like how she insists on the KRJ acronym like she's desperate for attention and to be relevant as Ocasio-Cortez. Pathetic.
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Feb 26, 2022 02:09
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Bubbacub posted:It was a Ukrainian Su-27. They did well to keep that quiet as long as they did. Seems like a poor choice to be flying in an area of your own AA.
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Feb 26, 2022 02:09
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Baronjutter posted:Weather the "mainstream left" wants to admit it or not, we have a huge putin apology problem. Left spaces are filled with insanity like this right now. Regarding the DSA coming out as anti-any-sanctions: Authoritarians flock together.
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Feb 26, 2022 02:09
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Baronjutter posted:Weather the "mainstream left" wants to admit it or not, we have a huge putin apology problem. Left spaces are filled with insanity like this right now. Regarding the DSA coming out as anti-any-sanctions: yeah its depressing. i am seeing way less of it this time around outside certain areas.
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Feb 26, 2022 02:09
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A big flaming stink posted:honestly im more concerned that the state department is operating from the realpolitik position of "the more damage ukraine inflicts on russia's army, the better" regardless of the consequences to the ukrainian people it makes perfect sense that they would have this position. russia's military is embarrassed, and nato's position is strengthened.
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Feb 26, 2022 02:10
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Like holy poo poo these people believe the United States is the only country with any agency throughout human history
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Feb 26, 2022 02:10
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:His live tweets have been p accurate and he’s the ranking member of Senate intelligence, a role he actually takes seriously. He’s a dingus but he would be the first to know about almost anything the wider us government does. He’s coming off as clearly serious-posting about this whole situation, so I’m genuinely curious if there are videos of unearthed Ukrainian stockpile of RIM-174 missiles.
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Feb 26, 2022 02:10
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I’ll get probed again most likely, but one of the worst places I’ve seen folks making those mental leaps is fascinating in the mental gymnastics they pull off.
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Feb 26, 2022 02:12
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https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1497368313873133570
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Feb 26, 2022 02:12
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ZombieLenin posted:I seriously doubt this. Russia, on its own over the last 48 hours, has demonstrated very clearly that the United States armed forces is so much more capable than Russia’s its almost laughable. im not saying youre incorrect, but absolutely no one should be confident enough to make this sort of statement 2 days into a freaking war. nobody in this thread has the slightest idea how the fighting is truly going, not just due to propaganda on both sides, but also the fog of war Eggs posted:it makes perfect sense that they would have this position. russia's military is embarrassed, and nato's position is strengthened. then gently caress the state department for prolonging a war in order to score points against its geopolitical rival at the cost of another nation's people.
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Feb 26, 2022 02:13
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You guys realize that the US taking a harder line bolsters Ukraine's position right? And that if I can figure that out I'm pretty sure the state department can
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Feb 26, 2022 02:13
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Eggs posted:it makes perfect sense that they would have this position. russia's military is embarrassed, and nato's position is strengthened. yeah like even when Kyiv falls(peace to the fallen) this will probably keep going long term. most of the sanctions wont stop until Putin strokes out because its very clear he won't stop with Ukraine now and nato is probably gonna get a couple new members.
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Feb 26, 2022 02:13
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Baronjutter posted:Weather the "mainstream left" wants to admit it or not, we have a huge putin apology problem. Left spaces are filled with insanity like this right now. Regarding the DSA coming out as anti-any-sanctions: As a life-long super lefty, this has always baffled me. The only explanation I can think of for where these apologists come from is that people really can't process the idea that being against one thing, in their case American imperialism, does not mean that the opposing side is suddenly your best friend. In simpler words, Tankies are baffling in their stupidity. Like honestly, those sorts of hot takes are indistinguishable from what I'd expect from a Russian troll farm agent. Worse since they're not even being paid by Putin to do it most of the time.
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Feb 26, 2022 02:13
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Baronjutter posted:Weather the "mainstream left" wants to admit it or not, we have a huge putin apology problem. Left spaces are filled with insanity like this right now. Regarding the DSA coming out as anti-any-sanctions: Yeah, we shouldn't just discard it as silly craziness. As progressive leftists we should be absolutely sensitive and highly vigilant to it so we can stamp it out. It's not a fringe belief, it's not just random ramblings. Mainstream figures partake in the putin apologia and in the "peace movement by appeasing Russia"-speech that pretends to value human life.
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Feb 26, 2022 02:13
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cinci zoo sniper posted:He’s coming off as clearly serious-posting about this whole situation, so I’m genuinely curious if there are videos of unearthed Ukrainian stockpile of RIM-174 missiles. Or maybe some A2A stuff they supplied for the ukr AF? I could also see targeting and vectoring just being a boon.
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Feb 26, 2022 02:13
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Having to ask Kazakhstan for help isn't a good sign, right?
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Feb 26, 2022 02:14
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cinci zoo sniper posted:He’s coming off as clearly serious-posting about this whole situation, so I’m genuinely curious if there are videos of unearthed Ukrainian stockpile of RIM-174 missiles. Ukraine announced that the US is giving 4.5 billion in support so I would wager he’s gotten briefed that some of the shipments have arrived. Whether we see them in action or not depends on how tonight goes since the Russian wake-up calls starting now.
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Feb 26, 2022 02:14
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah, that's the ironic part: The US did pretty well in Afghanistan and Iraq, but the problem was there was no real plan, so the DOD was stuck holding its dick in its hand for 10+ years. I had this crazy hope at the start that the invasion would be a complete face plant, Ukraine would counterattack and retake all of its land. That's still remote but substantially less crazy sounding that it was 24 hours ago.
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Feb 26, 2022 02:14
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Jarmak posted:You guys realize that the US taking a harder line bolsters Ukraine's position right? And that if I can figure that out I'm pretty sure the state department can i actually would like you to explain this perspective if you do not mind, because this interpretation did not occur to me
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Feb 26, 2022 02:15
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I’m really bummed out thinking of the future for all Ukrainians, and the LGBT-people in that country in particular.
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Feb 26, 2022 02:15
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Despera posted:Like holy poo poo these people believe the United States is the only country with any agency throughout human history There's a part of me that thinks most "true leftist" posters are actually working for the CIA to make the United States look more powerful than it is. Then I remember "Legacy of Ashes" and realize there's no way they'd pull something like that off.
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Feb 26, 2022 02:15
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Why are troops being requested from Kazakhstan at all? Something odd is going on.
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Feb 26, 2022 02:16
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Despera posted:Like holy poo poo these people believe the United States is the only country with any agency throughout human history Doesn't this comment from a Ukrainian member of parliament sound like they need the US to encourage their resistance to Russian occupation? https://twitter.com/amanpour/status/1497274941405814788?t=gy_5LxcJzoh5GU3K2O1CCw&s=19
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Feb 26, 2022 02:17
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Mustard Iceman posted:Having to ask Kazakhstan for help isn't a good sign, right? Could be a couple things, a multinational force also shows you are united/have allies willing to see it through. Its why everyone always plays up multinational colialitions If its the above it backfired pretty badily.
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Feb 26, 2022 02:17
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The DSA was for sanctions (against isreal) before it was against them
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Feb 26, 2022 02:17
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Mustard Iceman posted:Having to ask Kazakhstan for help isn't a good sign, right? Probably don't want to waste Russian troops on Peacekeeping and getting shot by urban snipers for the next however many months
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Feb 26, 2022 02:17
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah, that's the ironic part: The US did pretty well in Afghanistan and Iraq, but the problem was there was no real plan, so the DOD was stuck holding its dick in its hand for 10+ years. The US probably would struggled at least a little more if Russia had been handing out a bunch of military equipment to Iraq and training their forces for years before the invasion too, but I do agree with the analysis that Russia's military prowess has been pretty seriously overstated by anyone who saw them as a conventional peer competitor to the US.
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Feb 26, 2022 02:18
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Why are troops being requested from Kazakhstan at all? Most likely to try to take some heat off of Russia and provide extra 'legitimacy' by having other nations join the effort. Basically like the Coalition of the Willing during the Iraq War.
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Feb 26, 2022 02:18
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Mustard Iceman posted:Having to ask Kazakhstan for help isn't a good sign, right? It's probably not so much an indication of Russia needing Kazakh troops in a military sense as the Russians probably figuring that having them there would signal that Russia has allies (whether that would be succesful is another matter) and it would also draw Kazakhstan in closer to Russia and probably give Russia more leverage in the relationship considering what went down there around a month back.
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Feb 26, 2022 02:18
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Why are troops being requested from Kazakhstan at all? I’m guessing involving as many of your allies as possible might give the invasion a bit more legitimacy in a vacuum, but this isn’t a vacuum and everyone and their aunt knows the score so it seems like a pointless thing.
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Feb 26, 2022 02:18
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Russian attack heliocopter blowing up Ukranian AA platform and trucks. No bodies visible.  https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1497379389041958913?s=20&t=k3pA48sCxiT5990gCGSsUQ Let's keep driving towards it!
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Feb 26, 2022 02:20
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I feel like sending forces so they can get sanctioned too would be a pretty bad move on Kazakhstan's part. If they're looking for an off ramp to their relationship with Russia, I bet China would be willing to step in.
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Feb 26, 2022 02:20
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A big flaming stink posted:i actually would like you to explain this perspective if you do not mind, because this interpretation did not occur to me Have you ever been in an argument where one of your friends comes in to defend you way hotter than you were? It lends a whole lot of credibility to you by making you seem reasonable and moderated while still getting the more aggressive version out there (but you didn't say it).
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Feb 26, 2022 02:20
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A big flaming stink posted:im not saying youre incorrect, but absolutely no one should be confident enough to make this sort of statement 2 days into a freaking war. nobody in this thread has the slightest idea how the fighting is truly going, not just due to propaganda on both sides, but also the fog of war
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Grammarchist posted:There's a part of me that thinks most "true leftist" posters are actually working for the CIA to make the United States look more powerful than it is. Then I remember "Legacy of Ashes" and realize there's no way they'd pull something like that off. The CIA is both the most hyper competent and utterly dumb group of folks according to some folks. I just think their idiots. I have some reasonably unorthodox views on Mossadegahs overthrow and think that the cia and mi5 cocked the coup up and got lucky as hell that Mossadageh made some unforced errors that freaked folks out. He moved closer to the communists/Russia and that made the rural and religious leadership turn on him and gave the army brass popular support to come out of hiding to really coup him.
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