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KitConstantine posted:I know, that comment was in response to the Kremlin saying Ukranians are "drawing out the war by refusing to negotiate" Seems their invasion plan was in large parts to rush Kyiv and force peace, considering that they have not really progressed far from the borders, except the for the area around Kyiv. https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1497540698899243011
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The thing that gives a little credence to the idea that Russia expected to be done by now is the reaction to sanctions. Either: 1. Russia didn't expect any escalation in sanctions for kicking off the largest shooting war in Europe in decades 2. Russia doesn't care about sanctions and went ahead with the war thinking they could eat the costs or 3. Russia hoped to win the war fast enough to present it as a fait accompli and avoid the worst of the sanctions because the shooting was done Any of the 3 is possible (and presumably Russian strategists entertained multiple possibilities) but the 3rd seems like the most reasonable one to rely on. U.S. intelligence thought Kyiv would have fallen by now too, so it doesn't seem unreasonable that Russia would have made the same calculation.
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Tuna-Fish posted:with two transport planes (probably full of troops) getting shot down. Have we seen evidence of this yet?
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TheCardhouse posted:Going to need a source on this Source on what?
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https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1497485623225200640 "Rando: Maybe we can haul you back to Russia? Soldiers: Lmao"
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Al-Saqr posted:Source on what? That the defenders of Snake Island were not killed
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TheRat posted:A lot of people involved have absolutely nothing to do with Russia, they're just somewhat misguided old leftists who hate any kind of imperialism which very much includes NATO. Sure there might be the odd Russian influence here and there, but don't for a second think that's the main force behind it. I don't know how one would square their anti-imperialist beliefs with supporting a major power retaking a territory that was historically part of their empire.
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Australia Pay TV just took Russia Today off the air!
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Hopescrolling Twitter from a small protest outside Valletta. 150-200 people, mostly Ukrainian flags, a few other countries too. Some chants every now and then.
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Al-Saqr posted:A good policy to have is to not believe anything you read online unless there’s definitive video or image evidence for it, that’s why for example I didn’t believe the ukranians took back hostomel airport because they never released images or that every defender of snake island died because later the Russians proved otherwise with video. Dude, I saw that video. I agree that we dont have clear confirmation of all the defenders being killed (a win in my book, they still told that ship to gently caress itself, and it's better if they're alive), but if you believe that one video that was posted as proof proved anything more than some dudes getting water bottles, then you are far more gullible than you believe yourself to be.
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Chewbacca Defense posted:I don't know how one would square their anti-imperialist beliefs with supporting a major power retaking a territory that was historically part of their empire. Oh they do condemn it. It's just frequently saying stuff like Russia must stop this but we must also etc etc. Like the stuff is anti NATO, but it's also anti invasion. The problem is that the latter is not as heavily emphasised as the former. It's using the idea of dialogue at the wrong time. Also in case this kicks up a load of comments I agree that Ukraine should not be subsumed into Russia or invaded at all.
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https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1497566426118463489?s=20&t=5ZzUffyfvSor05JxGP3TjQ Zelensky Just announced that Turkey Agreed to close the Bosphorous to russian warships, the problem is that Turks didnt agree to that at all. whoops. TheCardhouse posted:That the defenders of Snake Island were not killed https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1497467132950548486?s=20&t=HM8QjIXk7JyFfygCnsKz6g this was the first source I found but I found this footage on multiple other sources. 87 of the snake island garrison surrendered and they were sent to sevastepol.
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TheRat posted:A lot of people involved have absolutely nothing to do with Russia, they're just somewhat misguided old leftists who hate any kind of imperialism which very much includes NATO. Sure there might be the odd Russian influence here and there, but don't for a second think that's the main force behind it. Eh, Andrew Murray is at the top of the pyramid and he's a living carictature of a tankie so extreme people assume he's made up as a boogyman to scare children of the commies. Josef bugman posted:Oh they do condemn it. It's just frequently saying stuff like Russia must stop this but we must also etc etc. Like the stuff is anti NATO, but it's also anti invasion. The problem is that the latter is not as heavily emphasised as the former. It's using the idea of dialogue at the wrong time. Organisationally this is true, but you know, look at the positions of the people in charge outside of the organisation and it's pretty clear where their biases lie.
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TheRat posted:A lot of people involved have absolutely nothing to do with Russia, they're just somewhat misguided old leftists who hate any kind of imperialism which very much includes NATO. Sure there might be the odd Russian influence here and there, but don't for a second think that's the main force behind it. “Hate any kind of imperialism” except the kind where a much larger country attempts to seize its poorer smaller neighbors through overwhelming force, fitting the possibly simplest definition of “empire”. That’s not being somewhat misguided, that’s being willingly ignorant of the reality of the situation. I think there’s been a lot more Russian money thrown around for favorable opinions than people realize. And it really is as simple as that, publications and NGOs get Russian funds and all of a sudden they’re following their line. You can’t seriously call yourself anti imperialist while simultaneously accepting the idea that Ukraine is somehow responsible for being invaded.
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ZombieLenin posted:Any photographic proof of the IL-76 claims from last night? yeah IL-76's are monstrously big planes there should be some form of phone footage at this point.
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Josef bugman posted:Oh they do condemn it. It's just frequently saying stuff like Russia must stop this but we must also etc etc. Like the stuff is anti NATO, but it's also anti invasion. The problem is that the latter is not as heavily emphasised as the former. It's using the idea of dialogue at the wrong time. When they make their perfunctory, mealy-mouthed "condemnations" of Russia, they are usually just couching their words before they get to the main thrust of their rambling.
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TheRat posted:Have we seen evidence of this yet? Other than both hearing Ukrainian claim it and Marco Rubio shitposting about it on twitter, no.
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the holy poopacy posted:or 3. Russia hoped to win the war fast enough to present it as a fait accompli and avoid the worst of the sanctions because the shooting was done I also think this was the plan. Installing a puppet regime before sanctions would come in, and then the new Ukrainian government saying “Sanctions? What sanctions? We’re fineeee”
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raverrn posted:https://twitter.com/RihoTerras/status/1497537193346220038?t=Wa-4YVEhX9Krs3e5TldzEg&s=19 Getting some real hitler tirade meme vibes off of this.
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fnox posted:“Hate any kind of imperialism” except the kind where a much larger country attempts to seize its poorer smaller neighbors through overwhelming force, fitting the possibly simplest definition of “empire”. https://international.dsausa.org/statements/no-war-with-russia/ Something that’s making me seriously consider my support for DSA. This article never mentions Putin or Russian military buildup in the border. It just goes off on railing against US and NATO.
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Grouchio posted:Morning folks what did I miss since last night EST? In addition to being removed from Eurovision by the EBU, Disney has announced the removal of all Russian themed animatronic dolls from the various "It's A Small World" rides at their parks.
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ZombieLenin posted:Any photographic proof of the IL-76 claims from last night? Ukraine is not showing any images because that would reveal the US Space Lasers shot them down. 
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Al-Saqr posted:https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1497566426118463489?s=20&t=5ZzUffyfvSor05JxGP3TjQ Finally a source we can trust, "Russians with Attitude."
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Al-Saqr posted:https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1497467132950548486?s=20&t=HM8QjIXk7JyFfygCnsKz6g This is the one I was referring to, tell me, in your own skeptical mind, how exactly this video on its own proves anything concrete at all? again Randarkman posted:Dude, I saw that video. I agree that we dont have clear confirmation of all the defenders being killed (a win in my book, they still told that ship to gently caress itself, and it's better if they're alive), but if you believe that one video that was posted as proof proved anything more than some dudes getting water bottles, then you are far more gullible than you believe yourself to be.
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A repost, but apropos to the current topic of discussion: On the Russian FSB and polling: https://twitter.com/lymanstoneky/status/1497302149486858241 quote:According to the polling data, Ukrainians in early February were, by and large, pessimistic about the future and apathetic about politics, and did not trust politicians, political parties or the majority of Ukraine’s domestic institutions. Their main concerns were overwhelmingly inflation and the cost of living, with both perceived to be rising. As I remarked previously: important not to huff one's own farts about kinetic strikes validating a political outcome fait accompli too much. This element does seem to be something that some Russian thinkers, even those not deep in the neo-Euroasian-empire buffoonery, seem to take seriously - 1) that Ukrainian pro-Europeanism was dead in the water until the colour revolution imposed an illusory media consensus, rather than being latent and revealed by colour revolution to be viable politics, and 2) that covert military action was the key driver to the success of transforming social dissatisfaction into regime change. So, as one does, one likewise polls for distrust in government, emplaces covert saboteurs, and then attempts to arrange a 'spontaneous' revolution you can't refuse by a lightning assault. Because that's how opinion in Ukraine was won by the West to begin with, right? At least in that worldview.
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fnox posted:You can’t seriously call yourself anti imperialist while simultaneously accepting the idea that Ukraine is somehow responsible for being invaded. We don't talk about
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Randarkman posted:This is the one I was referring to, tell me, in your own skeptical mind, how exactly this video on its own proves anything concrete at all? All I'm saying is be careful, take with a grain of salt and dont fall into overenthusiastic spirals, I'm speaking from experience here that you dont want to imagine things are going super awesome and then be hit by reality a couple days from now. Just recently the Armenian twitter got victory frenzied like crazy only to find out a week later they lost the war. I'm with you, I hope the ukranians do well, just be careful.
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Al-Saqr posted:All I'm saying is be careful, take with a grain of salt and dont fall into overenthusiastic spirals, I'm speaking from experience here that you dont want to imagine things are going super awesome and then be hit by reality a couple days from now. Just recently the Armenian twitter got victory frenzied like crazy only to find out a week later they lost the war. Take your own advice. This video is worthless on its own, and if you accept that as evidence then you need to reevaluate things.
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Mokotow posted:Isn’t the bosphorous governed by some crazy UN regulations? Non-Black Sea nations are effectively prohibited from transferring military vessels to the Black Sea, especially capital ships. THere's also a long mandatory waiting period for warships seeking entrance into the straits, and the stay of any ships not owned by local nations is limited to couple weeks max. Countries with port in Black Sea are able to transfer ships, but still have to obey a waiting period of several days, AFAIK.
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the holy poopacy posted:The thing that gives a little credence to the idea that Russia expected to be done by now is the reaction to sanctions. Either: I get the feeling that Putin really expected to be able to provoke a response from Ukraine that would give him a casus belli, or at least muddy the waters enough to give room for spin. He went ahead anyway but turns out that was really important for blunting the international response.
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Trying to divine omens from Russian state propaganda is a fool's errand, but I would point out that while the island was supposed to be largely demilitarized apart from manning a helicopter platform and a lighthouse, the civilian population of Snake Island was previously estimated to be around 80 people. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_Island_(Black_Sea) Kaal fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Feb 26, 2022 |
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TheCardhouse posted:That the defenders of Snake Island were not killed https://iz.ru/1296754/2022-02-25/minoborony-soobshchilo-o-sdache-oboroniavshikh-ostrov-zmeinyi-voennykh-ukrainy https://www.rbc.ru/politics/25/02/2022/62188e729a794789447c86d7 All Russian media, and all the same copy-pasted text. (Which is I guess not surprising because they are told what to report on.)
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https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1497570462464942086?s=20&t=miKjbaHJlKxKF9_YFI-eHw Looks like a Russian convoy destroyed. Maybe a HQ of some sort.
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Chewbacca Defense posted:I don't know how one would square their anti-imperialist beliefs with supporting a major power retaking a territory that was historically part of their empire. You can't. Ukraine is engaged in an entirely defensive war and the people who support Russia aren't anti-imperialist they're useful idiots.
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