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FishBulbia posted:Ukr defense source confirm snake island did surrender Afraid we'll find out that Ghost of Kyiv is actually the John McCain of Ukraine and has crashed 4 of their own planes already.
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ronya posted:https://twitter.com/fpleitgenCNN/status/1497593575508525064 “Like terrorists in Syria, except instead of fighting some goat herders, dirt farmers, and a resistance movement armed with 1970s Soviet tech, we are fighting a professional army with advanced defensive weapons and they are kicking our teeth in.”
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So what I'm getting from all this is that it turns out driving your mechanized forces into an enemy country without first gaining air superiority and then not screening them with dismounted infantry is ... poor military strategy?
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Feb 26, 2022 16:41
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ZombieLenin posted:It’s already in the scary phase, frankly; however, we are entering the phase where the greatest likelihood of a miscalculation on Putin’s part leads to something far more dangerous. Yeah, the longer this drags on, the worse the damage to Ukraine and the greater the danger of it becoming bigger. It doesn't even have to be a miscalculation on Putin's part, the longer the war goes on the more chances there are for another country to get sucked or dragged in to the fighting. Hell, we've already got calls in the US Congress for the US military to enforce a no-fly zone.
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https://twitter.com/herszenhorn/status/1497594179526008840 https://twitter.com/herszenhorn/status/1497594781630881799 https://twitter.com/CarlMinzner/status/1497314646986010634 quote:State media has reflected this ambiguous stance in portraying the conflict for China’s domestic audience. The evening news reiterates Moscow’s statements describing Russian actions as a “special military operation” targeting military facilities. It shows clips of Putin asserting that Moscow’s assault are the result of NATO actions that left him no choice. However, it also repeats Ukrainian president Zelensky’s statements regarding Ukrainian death tolls. And it shows clips of explosions in urban areas and residential buildings burning. https://twitter.com/CarlMinzner/status/1497576831083503621
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What about VK, are Ukrainian troop movements being reported there? I know it's technically banned in Ukraine, but what's the presence of pro-Russian Ukrainians like in there? That's a space where I think us westerners don't have much visibility, I'd imagine it's entirely possible whatever leaks are being quickly plugged in Western social media are allowed to stay there.
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Feb 26, 2022 16:42
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what is the ranking for russian army units? like i have no idea what the difference between the 35th and the 76th which everyone seems to think i should know
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Feb 26, 2022 16:42
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If true then there really is no recovering from how inept the Russian Armed Forces have made themselves look. This is like the Winter War, only even more embarrassing than the Red Army not being able to conquer Finland.
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Feb 26, 2022 16:44
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:what is the ranking for russian army units? like i have no idea what the difference between the 35th and the 76th which everyone seems to think i should know It's not a ranking, a lower number just means the unit was founded earlier. The 35th isn't any more important than the 76th or whatever
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Feb 26, 2022 16:45
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:what is the ranking for russian army units? like i have no idea what the difference between the 35th and the 76th which everyone seems to think i should know Cinci zoo sniper has a better write up; but guards in the name means it’s considered higher grade.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:what is the ranking for russian army units? like i have no idea what the difference between the 35th and the 76th which everyone seems to think i should know As far as I know the number is just an ID, "guards" units are supposed to be elite/privileged compared to generic units IIRC
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Pakled posted:What about VK, are Ukrainian troop movements being reported there? I know it's technically banned in Ukraine, but what's the presence of pro-Russian Ukrainians like in there? That's a space where I think us westerners don't have much visibility, I'd imagine it's entirely possible whatever leaks are being quickly plugged in Western social media are allowed to stay there. Telegram is the main front in the posting war. Twitter isnt as big in the ruspherenet
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:what is the ranking for russian army units? like i have no idea what the difference between the 35th and the 76th which everyone seems to think i should know Can't even find anything about a 35th guards-rifle brigade/regiment/platoon. There is however a 35th Combined Arms Army, and if they captured their top brass... boy howdy, nice work. That's a 3 division formation fyi
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Feb 26, 2022 16:47
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They really should give these commanders nice hot food with beautiful houses to live in and then show it on Twitter etc so the dumbass 18 year olds running around with rifles in the Russian army see it and go oh man that could be me too. Bonus points if they film them with lots of bottles of alcohol surrounded them
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Feb 26, 2022 16:48
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https://twitter.com/MohanCRaja/status/1497402657518264320 https://twitter.com/MohanCRaja/status/1497400294795141124 Domestically Indians still feel very pro-Soviet/Russian, with China and Pakistan being the stalwart US allies. The prospect of a Rus-Pak-China compact is steadily applying pressure to shift this calculus, but half a century of cultural affiliation is slow to unwind
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sean10mm posted:As far as I know the number is just an ID, "guards" units are supposed to be elite/privileged compared to generic units IIRC Or special purpose / free-standing units. THe important point is that they supposedly bagged the HQ of the highest operational level unit in the theatre.
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freeasinbeer posted:Cinci zoo sniper has a better write up; but guards in the name means it’s considered higher grade. i don't have plat.. anybody got a link?
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A quick search suggest they're most likely talking about the 35th Guards Motor Rifle Brigade, in which case the commander would have been a Brigadier and his chief of staff a colonel (assuming they didn't do some rank-responsibility reorganisation I missed). e: guys they did not catch an Army HQ on the march at the frontline. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Feb 26, 2022 |
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freeasinbeer posted:Cinci zoo sniper has a better write up; but guards in the name means it’s considered higher grade. More like it was considered high-grade during WW2.
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:https://iz.ru/1296754/2022-02-25/minoborony-soobshchilo-o-sdache-oboroniavshikh-ostrov-zmeinyi-voennykh-ukrainy I've read that this was actually faked by Russia.
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Feb 26, 2022 16:53
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Gripweed posted:Yeah, the longer this drags on, the worse the damage to Ukraine and the greater the danger of it becoming bigger. It doesn't even have to be a miscalculation on Putin's part, the longer the war goes on the more chances there are for another country to get sucked or dragged in to the fighting. Wouldn't a no-fly zone over Ukraine be a NATO decision and not a US decision?
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:what is the ranking for russian army units? like i have no idea what the difference between the 35th and the 76th which everyone seems to think i should know I believe this can count as confirmed. I am not going to share the link because he looks rough as hell and possibly seriously wounded, but there is photographic evidence of him alongside his identity papers in Ukrainian custody.
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Willo567 posted:Wouldn't a no-fly zone over Ukraine be a NATO decision and not a US decision? A no-fly zone would be an act of war and is very obviously not going to happen.
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ronya posted:https://twitter.com/CarlMinzner/status/1497314646986010634 Honestly, like China abstaining on the security council resolution, that might be enough to make a lot of Chinese citizens oppose the war. This invasion is about as clear-cut immoral aggression as you can get; virtually every nation not deeply in Russia's pocket has condemned it, there are protests against it all over the world and even big ones in Russia itself. Any population that isn't getting fed pure pro-Putin propaganda 24/7 is probably going to be against the war. Maybe that doesn't matter given China's authoritarian government, but given the amount of monitoring of the populace they do and the domestic strife they've had over time, I wouldn't be surprised to see China's diplomatic position continue shifting to more of an anti-war stance.
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Willo567 posted:Wouldn't a no-fly zone over Ukraine be a NATO decision and not a US decision? It's not for discussion. A no fly zone is a war declaration and Russia would probably just respond by preemptively deploying tactical nukes against all NATO bases.
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I mean it's not so much 'a declaration of war' as just 'a war', people calling for it are cranks or hot-air balloons
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surf rock posted:Honestly, like China abstaining on the security council resolution, that might be enough to make a lot of Chinese citizens oppose the war. This invasion is about as clear-cut immoral aggression as you can get; virtually every nation not deeply in Russia's pocket has condemned it, there are protests against it all over the world and even big ones in Russia itself. Any population that isn't getting fed pure pro-Putin propaganda 24/7 is probably going to be against the war. Maybe that doesn't matter given China's authoritarian government, but given the amount of monitoring of the populace they do and the domestic strife they've had over time, I wouldn't be surprised to see China's diplomatic position continue shifting to more of an anti-war stance. Yeah it's important to remember that China and Russia share a massive border and a conflicting sphere of interest in central Asia. If the Russians are clearly getting their poo poo pushed in then I could easily see China do a volte face to take advantage of Russian weakness. China can go it alone and doesn't have any interest being tied to a bear in it's death throes
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Willo567 posted:Wouldn't a no-fly zone over Ukraine be a NATO decision and not a US decision? I don't know what the administrative process would be, but at least one congressperson is calling for it https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1497401964803641347?s=20&t=qMiKq4fJ0_VM9sB39GQIQQ FishBulbia posted:It's not for discussion. A no fly zone is a war declaration and Russia would probably just respond by preemptively deploying tactical nukes against all NATO bases. That seems unlikely. Like, we'd get there pretty quick, but "NATO announces a no-fly zone" would not immediately be followed with launching all the nukes. Both sides would give time for the other side to blink.
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FishBulbia posted:It's not for discussion. A no fly zone is a war declaration and Russia would probably just respond by preemptively deploying tactical nukes against all NATO bases. First of all, it is not going to happen; and second of all, that's a pretty reckless assumption.
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Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1497583738838003713?s=20&t=VN7r_jUVd7Maf2sK3puEbQ His list is very short compared to what we've been hearing in social media though. He lists 7 tanks total lost for Russia and 10 for Ukraine.
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A no-fly zone is only worth anything if you enforce it, and enforcing it means shooting russians.
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Peel posted:I mean it's not so much 'a declaration of war' as just 'a war', people calling for it are cranks or hot-air balloons I think people who don't think much about military matters (understandable, most normal people don't) are grasping now for 'things the West can do' and they've heard the phrase 'no-fly zone' as a thing a lot in the past and so are asking about that without really having internalised that that's not a magic legal spell the West can cast to stop planes flying and is a 'we will shoot you down if you try to fly here' threat. Lots of people aren't war nerds and are doing some rapid learning right now, it's fair to be charitable to them (not people who should know better).
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TheRat posted:His list is very short compared to what we've been hearing in social media though. He lists 7 tanks total lost for Russia and 10 for Ukraine. I'm fairly certain I've seen photos of a lot more than 7 destroyed or heavily damaged Russian MBTs; however, it is a fair enough point that a lot of the images reporting to be taken in Ukraine over the last 3 days were not.
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Peel posted:I mean it's not so much 'a declaration of war' as just 'a war', people calling for it are cranks or hot-air balloons The problem is, the longer this goes on the greater the pressure to do something will be on Western governments. As that pressure mounts, leaders are going to start making calculations about what they could do that isn't declaring war but is something and might make Putin back down. I don't know about Europe but in American discourse at least there's been an effort to make "no-fly zones" seem like a less than war option. Like they're a step up from sanctions but still not actually a boots on the ground war, is the vibe you would get from discussions about a no-fly zone in Syria, for example.
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boofhead posted:i don't have plat.. anybody got a link? Here you go cinci zoo sniper posted:I don’t have any power level rankings for various Russian infantry. However, you can infer some things from their names:
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TheRat posted:His list is very short compared to what we've been hearing in social media though. He lists 7 tanks total lost for Russia and 10 for Ukraine. This is the list btw https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html Documents destruction of 90 russian vehicles and 87 ukranian vehicles
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TheRat posted:A no-fly zone is only worth anything if you enforce it, and enforcing it means shooting russians. yeah but its not like NATO would say "We're doing a no-fly zoneokweaponsreadyFIREFIREFIRE!" there would be an interval in between it being declared and actual planes coming down. I'm not arguing that it wouldn't lead to World War 3, I'm arguing that it wouldn't lead to literal instant finger on the button nukes are flying seconds later, as Fishbulbia suggested. If we see serious escalation, there will still be off-ramps where both sides give each other a little bit of time to back down. That time may only be a few hours, but still.
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