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bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
Ender 3 and starter supplies just arrived. Got my weekend accounted for I guess.

Edit: Assembled and I only stabbed myself with a sharp object once. Success! Just turned it on for the first time. How important is it to deal with the firmware on these when getting started? Significant menu differences from what the YouTube guide I was following said. Don't see any way to get it to auto-home itself.

Also is there any kind of goon discord for 3d printing? I trust people behind the :tenbux: firewall for quality more than I will any random collection of people on the internet.

bird food bathtub fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Feb 27, 2022

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DC to Daylight
Feb 13, 2012

Rexxed posted:

You might have some heat creep if the new hotend is in contact with something further up than normal or not getting adequate cooling but you'd have to give it a look over. I had an issue with my Maker Select where it was heating above the heatbreak due to being a little high and it'd jam after about 45 minutes due to melting the plastic too high up. Resin will get you some good prints, though, and the Sunlu may be fixable or you could pick up a fdm printer with a silent board like the Ender 3 V2 or one of the popular clones.

You were pretty much right. I couldn't let the S8 go like this.


The hot end was totally blocked - I could stick a wire up the nozzle, but the filament wouldn't move either way. I grabbed the filament with forceps and pulled it out:



The helical bit that looks like an old car phone antenna was much more tightly coiled prior to removal. And the impaction at the bottom was is a bit above the nozzle. So, the plastic was softening and causing poor feed until it jammed.

By reslicing to force the fan to 100% all the time, I got a noticeable improvement. Adding a vise grip to the extruder did a little better still. Print quality is not 100% what it was when it was new, but it adequate and comparable to what it was before the old hot end got screwy.



Pretty clear the new hotend has more heat creep and possibly a lower Cv as well.

I also splurged on a resin setup that should be here middle of next week. An Elegoo Saturn S printer, a Mercury X bundle cleaning setup and some Siraya Tech castable resin. I hope the learning curve isn't too steep.

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!

Heat creep will mean that something in the heat block (which holds the nozzle, thermistor, and heater cartridge) is touching something it shouldn't be. Generally it's only connected to the rest of the printer by the heatbreak tube, although on the creality hotends there's the two stabilizing screws as well. I'd just visually check that it's not touching anything but those three things. They're usually stainless or titanium where they touch the heatblock so that it doesn't transfer heat back along them well and then the hotend fan cools the top where the fins are for the aluminum heatsink. When mine was a problem (on a different printer) it was a little too far up and was touching a steel bracket the whole hotend assembly attached to. It would warm it during operation and cause prints to fail around 40 minutes in.

If the vice grip is helping the extruder I'd see about one of those aluminum extruder kits. The plastic one is probably damaged and not providing the tension it should.

Resin should be pretty fun, the detail they provide is great for some stuff. There's a 3d printing thread for tabletop here:
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3959573&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

Rexxed fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Feb 27, 2022

Snostorm
Sep 9, 2013
I've been printing some cosplay armor and have been getting really bad layer lines on the prints. Below is my worst example. It's as if the layers are just barely off, creating these really bad ridges. Is this what ghosting/ringing is? I changed my MK3 max X and Y acceleration settings to 700 mm/s and maximum jerk to 7 mm/s and thought I got rid of the problem, and then this happened below. The print pieces are generally tall and thin-walled.

https://imgur.com/kfwtqOu

Javid
Oct 21, 2004

:jpmf:

Rexxed posted:

If the vice grip is helping the extruder I'd see about one of those aluminum extruder kits. The plastic one is probably damaged and not providing the tension it should.

Just get one regardless of if that specific thing is the issue right now or not, because it WILL eventually silently and invisibly fail and cause issues.

e:

Acid Reflux
Oct 18, 2004

This failure should have been physically impossible, unless the Bowden tube was only barely pushed into the fitting at the top of the heat sink (or had crept up over time) and not pushed all the way down through the throat and in full contact with the back/top of the nozzle. I'd think about replacing the fittings, both where the tube exits the extruder mechanism and where it enters the heat sink. Those things are notoriously hit or miss out of the box and even a cheap package from Amazon always seems to have better quality ones than what comes with a lot of printers.

I didn't see if anyone already linked you to anything specific, but this kit includes all the small stuff you'll want to eventually replace anyway. I've put one on every cheap machine I've ever bought.
https://www.amazon.com/Authentic-Creality-Printers-Capricorn-Pneumatic/dp/B07ZMFP2L8

w00tmonger
Mar 9, 2011

F-F-FRIDAY NIGHT MOTHERFUCKERS

Just swapped in a new LCD on my Saturn and I'm seeing some massive under exposure issues now. Anyone else seen this? In pretty sure I took the film off both sides etc while installing it and I've replaced a few others without seeing any issues previously

Zedri Edfly
Dec 4, 2005

An appropriate response to reality

bird food bathtub posted:

Ender 3 and starter supplies just arrived. Got my weekend accounted for I guess.

Edit: Assembled and I only stabbed myself with a sharp object once. Success! Just turned it on for the first time. How important is it to deal with the firmware on these when getting started? Significant menu differences from what the YouTube guide I was following said. Don't see any way to get it to auto-home itself.

Also is there any kind of goon discord for 3d printing? I trust people behind the :tenbux: firewall for quality more than I will any random collection of people on the internet.

It's pretty important, first and foremost for safety (thermal runaway protection), but also for speed/quality/quality of life. Maybe try out stock and Marlin firmwares a but (th3d is a pretty easy marlin distro) but really I think you should install Klipper asap and save yourself hella trouble and print time. My post history has a bunch of good info specific to e3/klipper.

Check out this soil tester I modeled! I'm a maker!

Zedri Edfly
Dec 4, 2005

An appropriate response to reality

Toebone posted:

I’m getting the urge to fix something that’s not broken again, what cooling duct should I print for an Ender 3 with stock fans? Is it even worthwhile for printing PLA & PETG?

Both of these designs worked great for me!


Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Well, I no longer wonder how people are managing to set their printers on fire.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



I've got some 3d printed parts in PLA that I'd like to make shiny. Sanding with 1500 grit wet sandpaper made it smooth, but it has a sort of "dusty" appearance now. This is a hand-held item, so I don't want to paint it if the paint could rub off. Suggestions? I've read online that acetone vapor won't work on PLA.

insta
Jan 28, 2009
Go to 3000 grit, then flame polish.

Vaporware
May 22, 2004

Still not here yet.
I agree, I've had good luck with a torch played across the surface, but you need a baseline very smooth finish before it helps.
You can do a tiny bit of solvent polish using plastruct weld(?) Not sure that's the name, but it has the white label, not orange. It's DCM and will soften /bond PLA. I wouldn't vaporize it but you can brush it on small areas to get a smoother finish. You only get one pass, any brushing on a wet surface will pull PLA into the brush and leave brushstrokes.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Zedri Edfly posted:

It's pretty important, first and foremost for safety (thermal runaway protection), but also for speed/quality/quality of life. Maybe try out stock and Marlin firmwares a but (th3d is a pretty easy marlin distro) but really I think you should install Klipper asap and save yourself hella trouble and print time. My post history has a bunch of good info specific to e3/klipper.

Hmm, googled around and I can see the advantages of offloading gcode processing to a Pi but not sure it's for me. Seems like a significant investment in extra hardware. Currently all I want is something for the onboard USB slot because this micro SD card crap is for the birds. I'd rather just get an adapter cable and use a normal USB thumb drive.

Existing onboard firmware seems to have those safety features enabled, Marlin onboard firmware says thermistor and bed both have "runaway watch: on" which I assume is what you're mentioning with a different name.

edit: Marlin 2.0.8.2 is what it has stock apparently

bird food bathtub fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Feb 28, 2022

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

bird food bathtub posted:

Ender 3 and starter supplies just arrived. Got my weekend accounted for I guess.

Edit: Assembled and I only stabbed myself with a sharp object once. Success! Just turned it on for the first time. How important is it to deal with the firmware on these when getting started? Significant menu differences from what the YouTube guide I was following said. Don't see any way to get it to auto-home itself.

Also is there any kind of goon discord for 3d printing? I trust people behind the :tenbux: firewall for quality more than I will any random collection of people on the internet.

The stock firmware for the Ender 3 v2 is pretty lacking. I kicked myself for not installing Marlin earlier, because it adds stuff like auto-homing, auto-leveling mesh viewing/tweaking, z-offset tweaking, manual leveling guides, better statusing, etc. Here's the popular version that I'm using: https://github.com/Jyers/Marlin/releases/tag/v2.0.1

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Vaporware posted:

I agree, I've had good luck with a torch played across the surface, but you need a baseline very smooth finish before it helps.
You can do a tiny bit of solvent polish using plastruct weld(?) Not sure that's the name, but it has the white label, not orange. It's DCM and will soften /bond PLA. I wouldn't vaporize it but you can brush it on small areas to get a smoother finish. You only get one pass, any brushing on a wet surface will pull PLA into the brush and leave brushstrokes.

Thanks, I'll see if I can find my butane torch. I tried my heat gun on a spare but it totally hosed it up... it's a hollow round shape so it collapsed under its own weight once it got hot.

The solvent thing will be my last resort... I'd probably mess it up.

Vaporware
May 22, 2004

Still not here yet.
I use a tiny butane torch and you can warp stuff pretty quick, just take it easy and you'll see what you can get pretty quick.
I'd say the biggest improvement you will see immediately is any stringing or surface roughness will bead up, but that won't get you a shiny surface, just slightly smoother.

Zedri Edfly
Dec 4, 2005

An appropriate response to reality

bird food bathtub posted:

Hmm, googled around and I can see the advantages of offloading gcode processing to a Pi but not sure it's for me. Seems like a significant investment in extra hardware. Currently all I want is something for the onboard USB slot because this micro SD card crap is for the birds. I'd rather just get an adapter cable and use a normal USB thumb drive.

Existing onboard firmware seems to have those safety features enabled, Marlin onboard firmware says thermistor and bed both have "runaway watch: on" which I assume is what you're mentioning with a different name.

edit: Marlin 2.0.8.2 is what it has stock apparently

Ah, I know when I got mine all the tutorials made a big deal about stock not having thermal runaway; they probably updated the board/firmware since then.

You'll do fine with Marlin, but if you ever feel the need to print faster definitely pick up a Pi0 or whatever.

insta
Jan 28, 2009

Pham Nuwen posted:

Thanks, I'll see if I can find my butane torch. I tried my heat gun on a spare but it totally hosed it up... it's a hollow round shape so it collapsed under its own weight once it got hot.

The solvent thing will be my last resort... I'd probably mess it up.

There's also XTC-3D. It does work pretty well if you trust their "thin layers" instructions.

Vaporware
May 22, 2004

Still not here yet.
I am never trying to set my z again with ABS, from now on I promise to be less lazy and just swap to PLA for the leveling print.

I wanted to try a smooth sheet toget better adhesion at the corners, but my initial level was way too low and It was 20 minutes of scratching and scrubbing to get the level line off. Ended up having to use acetone to get the last line off, but no damage to the PEI sheet, whew.

Acid Reflux
Oct 18, 2004

Zedri Edfly posted:

Ah, I know when I got mine all the tutorials made a big deal about stock not having thermal runaway; they probably updated the board/firmware since then.
Creality machines are supposed to have had the thermal safety features enabled since like late 2018 or early 2019 after a lot of backlash from the user community, but there were also a fair number in that time period that were manufactured and warehoused well before the change was made. A new one these days *should* be plenty good to go, but it's absolutely never a bad idea to check just in case you happen to end up with one that was found on the back of a dark shelf somewhere.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
How likely is it that this stock flexible magnetic sheet thingy on an out-of-the-box Ender 3 is warped vs me being a dumbass on this leveling process? Print head keeps making contact as I move between the corners no matter what pattern of the four corners I attempt. I can get individual corners good, and usually any two adjacent corners working between each other, but never all four corners and the bed between them.

armorer
Aug 6, 2012

I like metal.

bird food bathtub posted:

How likely is it that this stock flexible magnetic sheet thingy on an out-of-the-box Ender 3 is warped vs me being a dumbass on this leveling process? Print head keeps making contact as I move between the corners no matter what pattern of the four corners I attempt. I can get individual corners good, and usually any two adjacent corners working between each other, but never all four corners and the bed between them.

My stock ender 3 bed had a very slight dish shape to it. When the corners were all leveled, the center of the bed was the tiniest bit too low. I put a small square of aluminum foil centered on the bed under the magnet, and another smaller square centered on top of that, and it's been great ever since.

Vaporware
May 22, 2004

Still not here yet.
If you have a sheet of plate / float glass bigger than the bed you can check the level of the plate. It's the flattest thing you can get your hands on at home.

armorer
Aug 6, 2012

I like metal.

Vaporware posted:

If you have a sheet of plate / float glass bigger than the bed you can check the level of the plate. It's the flattest thing you can get your hands on at home.

Marble countertop should be pretty flat too

Vaporware
May 22, 2004

Still not here yet.
Yeah, whatever you have between the two that's thicker. I had a marble cutting board I thought was flat but actually ended up bowing due to the support feet when it was under weight

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
Think I'm probably just going to order a glass bed and wait for that. From the moment I first picked up the flexible, magnetic bed I just felt "I don't see how this can possibly stay level every time I take it off and put it back on"

Dr. Despair
Nov 4, 2009


39 perfect posts with each roll.

A spring steel sheet isn't really meant to stay flat on it's own, it's relying on whatever surface the magnet is attached to to be flat and stable.

GotDonuts
Apr 28, 2008

Karbohydrate Kitteh
I am working on a bracket to mount to my printer to allow a connection from my palette to my printer, could anyone give me a hand on making this thing. I have been swearing at a few different modeling tools for a few hours. You could point me in the direction of a guide or just model the thing or even toward some simpler software to use. Either way I would be grateful.

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ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


So after some experimentation and research, it looks like the solution to making Filamentum "crystal clear PLA" not be incredibly pissy all the time is just to crank the temperature up -- print at 230-240 rather than 210-ish.

GotDonuts posted:

I am working on a bracket to mount to my printer to allow a connection from my palette to my printer, could anyone give me a hand on making this thing. I have been swearing at a few different modeling tools for a few hours. You could point me in the direction of a guide or just model the thing or even toward some simpler software to use. Either way I would be grateful.



This looks really straightforward to put together in TinkerCAD or OpenSCAD, I can probably put it together this evening.

That said, what have you been trying to model it in?

E: here's the mesh and the SCAD file. Your drawing was underspecified so I took a guess at the missing dimension -- double check it with your slicer or CAD program's measurement tool before printing! If you need to tweak anything the SCAD file should hopefully be simple enough to work with but if not, let me know.

ToxicFrog fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Mar 1, 2022

GotDonuts
Apr 28, 2008

Karbohydrate Kitteh
Was trying to put it together in tinkercad for a while but struggled to get the holes in the right position. Will have to try openSCAD soon. Thanks so much for the help will give it a looksee.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


GotDonuts posted:

Was trying to put it together in tinkercad for a while but struggled to get the holes in the right position. Will have to try openSCAD soon. Thanks so much for the help will give it a looksee.

Precisely positioning things in tinkercad is a gigantic pain in the rear end and a lot of the time I end up building shims (because you can precisely dimension things, by typing in the size) and then using the Align Objects tool to use the shims to precisely position the things I want.

OpenSCAD makes it a lot easier to do precisely positioned/sized everything at the cost of being a lot less intuitive overall -- I've only used it for simple things. It worked well for this, though.

Javid
Oct 21, 2004

:jpmf:
That thing was pretty quick in onshape, also




+/- the unlisted dimensions. does that look about right?

e: I model in inches but onshape makes it really easy to use metric without converting myself on the fly:



which is to say, don't be thrown by the numbers in use in the pic, it's still metric lol

Roundboy
Oct 21, 2008
I have done a thing:


Its not DONE done, but it can home and level itself. Once my new parts stop printing I will convert to klicky probe and speak of inductive probes nevermore. These are the last abs parts on the ender, its on to the voron from now on like the skirts and exhaust.

This has been the most frustrating and satisfying thing i have built to date. You learn the difference between a hard rule and a overall guideline pretty quick. Bad parts, extra parts, OMG i need new parts.

I learned so much that in retrospect past me is a moron for doing it like i did. Future me will wait until i have -everything- before starting. I will also cut no wires until I have its final location.

A couple wire pins are finicky so i need to deal with it, but god drat the thing works

Opinionated
May 29, 2002



For anyone new I just stumbled across this handy materials guide on prusa3d: https://help.prusa3d.com/en/materials

Seems you can click on each material to get more information too, pretty nice.

Also, I'm chomping at the bit for my mk3s+ to ship! Says it will ship within a week from 2/28, hopefully that means any day now :pray:

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

The biggest takeaway from the Voron projects I've seen people do is: buy a proper wiring loom :v:

Nerobro
Nov 4, 2005

Rider now with 100% more titanium!

Wibla posted:

The biggest takeaway from the Voron projects I've seen people do is: buy a proper wiring loom :v:

Buy crimpers you can use well.

I have both rachtening and just simple squeeze, I have a MUCH better time with the simple ones.

It's worth noting, that vorons ~consider~ wiring, and electronics layout. While many designs.. kinda just don't.

That reminds me, I need to pick up a plastic folder so I can have a nice sealed bottom on my voron.

GotDonuts
Apr 28, 2008

Karbohydrate Kitteh

Javid posted:

That thing was pretty quick in onshape, also




+/- the unlisted dimensions. does that look about right?

e: I model in inches but onshape makes it really easy to use metric without converting myself on the fly:



which is to say, don't be thrown by the numbers in use in the pic, it's still metric lol

Yeah that looks exactly like what I was aiming for too. Will look at onshape also.

snail
Sep 25, 2008

CHEESE!

Roundboy posted:

I have done a thing:


Its not DONE done, but it can home and level itself. Once my new parts stop printing I will convert to klicky probe and speak of inductive probes nevermore. These are the last abs parts on the ender, its on to the voron from now on like the skirts and exhaust.

I'd recommend at least printing the fan skirt mount before you run up that bed to high temps. Heat creep will expand the frame. Controller fans on keep the frame from warping.

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Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Nerobro posted:

Buy crimpers you can use well.

I have both rachtening and just simple squeeze, I have a MUCH better time with the simple ones.

It's worth noting, that vorons ~consider~ wiring, and electronics layout. While many designs.. kinda just don't.

That reminds me, I need to pick up a plastic folder so I can have a nice sealed bottom on my voron.

Yeah, I know how to use them, done my fair share of panel building and modification, so my point is that I don't want to spend hours on it :v:

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