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Vernii posted:start up the plans for an insurgency and then quietly bug out of the country to run a CIA-backed govt in exile in Poland or whatever. I think, just based on some conjecture about types of arms provided, ideologically extreme paramilitaries getting them before the Army, how US souces are describing the price Russian will pay vs Ukraine’s hopeful tone, I think, at least partly, this may have been planned not as Brave Little Belgium holding out, but as Syria/Iraq/Afghanistan, and nobody told Zelensky. Could be wrong, just saying, they gave them NLAWs and not radios.
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Feb 27, 2022 02:14
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1stGear posted:That Chechen general is alive. "2nd in command killed and an entire battalion of tanks destroyed!" Dude calmly swapping a flag without looking likes gone through any combat recently
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Feb 27, 2022 02:14
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gotta love people's ingenuity! https://twitter.com/kate_day/status/1497648173568958470?s=20&t=WiCznbJb5kp0JAxVc1WSYg
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Feb 27, 2022 02:15
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Frosted Flake posted:So it turns out that the US Army Press’ only recent monograph vis a vis THEE Ukraine was… Survival in the Russian Occupied Zone: Command and Organization in Resistance Underground Operations from October. i think he got boxed in by his own lack of an actual power base he tried to negotiate with the russians first, but it fell apart since he couldn't enforce his own end of the ceasefire. since then the russians don't seem to have taken him very seriously. in that case it makes a lot of sense to lay your chips with NATO, since they're the only institution strong enough to guarantee against further encroachment by the russians. NATO strings him along, reckoning that it can't really lose: either the russians react with force, which proves that the russians are big and scary and that NATO is totally needed, or they don't, in which case you've got a very well placed and totally subservient prospective member you can get to do almost anything
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Feb 27, 2022 02:15
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Kill All Cops posted:so you think Ukraine will just get into NATO and immediately war on russia happens, and Putin's actions in taking the preemptive step is correct? no that doesn’t sound correct either
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Feb 27, 2022 02:15
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Frosted Flake posted:So it turns out that the US Army Press’ only recent monograph vis a vis THEE Ukraine was… Survival in the Russian Occupied Zone: Command and Organization in Resistance Underground Operations from October. Lol the entire thing was set up to be a quagmire boondoggle Vietnam afghanistan for putin the whole time. Neoliberalism is real loving cool, just the best. Endanger the lives of 44 million people just to own your posting enemies.
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Feb 27, 2022 02:15
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Wow, President Yanukovych (again)!
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Feb 27, 2022 02:16
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https://twitter.com/YourAnonTV/status/1497678663046905863
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Feb 27, 2022 02:18
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Frosted Flake, make this make sense for me: That is not a combat vehicle but a logistics vehicle (MT-LB) so wherever it is the frontline combat troops would already be far ahead
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Feb 27, 2022 02:18
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Frosted Flake posted:So it turns out that the US Army Press’ only recent monograph vis a vis THEE Ukraine was… Survival in the Russian Occupied Zone: Command and Organization in Resistance Underground Operations from October. Tbf, it didn't take any sort of insight to see that Ukraine was headed in this direction for a while. That said...might have been nice to have told them earlier that they were very, very, very MUCH on their own.
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Feb 27, 2022 02:18
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I hope the kreosan boys make it out ok. this war is gonna give them a whole new palette of dangerous abandoned high voltage toys to play with
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Feb 27, 2022 02:18
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lol
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Feb 27, 2022 02:20
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makes sense. Anonymous does this to Saudi stations a lot to broadcast news about Yemen.
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Feb 27, 2022 02:20
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Atrocious Joe posted:gotta love people's ingenuity! Epic Win: These Ukrainians Are Executing People Who Mispronounce A Word
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Feb 27, 2022 02:20
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Majorian posted:Tbf, it didn't take any sort of insight to see that Ukraine was headed in this direction for a while. That said...might have been nice to have told them earlier that they were very, very, very MUCH on their own. The cia probably told the fascist militias as they were delivering the lethal aid the past couple of months, to be fair.
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Feb 27, 2022 02:20
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If partition is Russia's plan for Ukraine (ala Georgia) then lengthy occupation seems less likely. Russian friendly areas get their own state and the remaining ends up sufficiently weak to be less of a threat. I doubt Russia has plans to integrate Ukraine entirely into Russia as a republic or whatever.
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Feb 27, 2022 02:20
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Asproigerosis posted:Lol the entire thing was set up to be a quagmire boondoggle Vietnam afghanistan for putin the whole time. Neoliberalism is real loving cool, just the best. Endanger the lives of 44 million people just to own your posting enemies. This is exactly why a decisive Russian victory is the best possible outcome. If things drag on past a couple of weeks, then strategically it looks like the West gets what it wants
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Feb 27, 2022 02:22
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Atrocious Joe posted:Someone tell John Dolan they found the shibboleth to use This certainly doesn't inspire an image of a bunch of people running around demanding the other say palyanitsa while pointing rifles at each other.
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Feb 27, 2022 02:22
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Cao Ni Ma posted:"2nd in command killed and an entire battalion of tanks destroyed!" That specific video is old
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Feb 27, 2022 02:22
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Kill All Cops posted:ukraine is the underdog that will be utterly annihilated by the grand might of the russian army, and simultaneously the anti-Russian government is a threat to Russia's existence who backs the anti-russian government? lmao exactly shut up bitch
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Feb 27, 2022 02:23
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Atrocious Joe posted:gotta love people's ingenuity! I would simply pronounce the shibboleth correctly
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Feb 27, 2022 02:23
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On CNN"s ticker thing: "The defenders of the small Ukrainian island of Zmiinyi in the Black Sea may still be alive, according to a statement released on Saturday by the State Border Guard Service of Ukraine (SBGSU). "We [have a] strong belief that all Ukrainian defenders of Zmiinyi (Snake) Island may be alive,” the statement said."
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Feb 27, 2022 02:23
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Judakel posted:who backs the anti-russian government? lmao exactly shut up bitch the ukranian people as decided in the democratic elections?
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Feb 27, 2022 02:24
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What if, and hear me out on this one, what if the UN did something?
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Feb 27, 2022 02:25
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robot roll call posted:Epic Win: These Ukrainians Are Executing People Who Mispronounce A Word My granddad nearly got shot in Italy because the sentries were paranoid about infiltrators and he couldn't remember who won the 1943 World Series. He ended up yelling, "You dumb fucks do you know any redheaded Germans?!" And it worked.
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Feb 27, 2022 02:27
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Asproigerosis posted:What if, and hear me out on this one, what if the UN did something? doing something violates the UN charter
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Feb 27, 2022 02:27
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Atrocious Joe posted:I am calling on Raid: Shadow Legends to suspend operations in Russia and stop advertising with Russian influencers No, no please let them take it
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Feb 27, 2022 02:29
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Kill All Cops posted:the ukranian people as decided in the democratic elections? shut up idiot
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Feb 27, 2022 02:29
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Asproigerosis posted:What if, and hear me out on this one, what if the UN did something? lol
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Feb 27, 2022 02:29
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Frosted Flake posted:So it turns out that the US Army Press’ only recent monograph vis a vis THEE Ukraine was… Survival in the Russian Occupied Zone: Command and Organization in Resistance Underground Operations from October. Deep in our hearts, we all know the true villain was America all along. Was there ever truly any doubt?
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Feb 27, 2022 02:29
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Le Saboteur posted:I don't really see what the end goal is for Russia at this point. They in all likelihood are not equipped for a long occupation in a country the size of Ukraine. So it's either replace or pacify the Zelensky government into a puppet state and then gently caress off and let the cycle started in 2014 start again. All eventualities seem terrible here. the only objective that makes sense is to capture the government, destroy or capture any military equipment, and force some terms of surrender that involve a ban on re-militarization, and then leave but putin really could be aiming for objectives that don't make sense
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Feb 27, 2022 02:29
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Crusader posted:if you're in the ukranian ministry of defence, what are your real options here? the eastern forces are pinned and almost encircled from crimea, the kyiv front can be reinforced in short order (?), there may be a new line of advance in the west from belarus to stop additional lethal aid... so, do you just already start to plan for and begin to execute a bloody insurgency phase? Jesus christ, and we're the supposedly bloodthirsty ones... Crusader posted:absolutely; i was assuming that surrender was not being considered a viable option by the ukrainians yet i guess Hmm, okay.
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Feb 27, 2022 02:30
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Majorian posted:Tbf, it didn't take any sort of insight to see that Ukraine was headed in this direction for a while. That said...might have been nice to have told them earlier that they were very, very, very MUCH on their own. In which case they would sign Minsk II. Do you see what I mean? Nobody would choose “protracted insurgency” over “sign ceasefire” all else being equal. If the Ukrainians knew that all of the net benefit would be to the US/EU/NATO at the price they have paid in just 3 days, I don’t think they would do it. If they had been clearly told what their fate was expected to be, a ceasefire would have been worth it. So, this is where either Ukrainian domestic politics or western manoeuvring come in. Something tipped the scales, or their perception of the stakes. Maybe people are right and Zelensky just hosed up or was cornered domestically, but his western advisors were planning on a contingency I think would have been unacceptable to him. Coincidentally, his Heroic stand in Kiev, which the western press is congratulating him on, if not encouraging, means his control over Lviv and the arms flowing in from Poland - weapons for insurgency, not conventional war btw - is limited. Which is troubling as well. It’s hard to say how much real authority - not symbolic heroics - he is able to exert. Not great. Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 02:33 on Feb 27, 2022 |
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Feb 27, 2022 02:31
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FuzzySlippers posted:If partition is Russia's plan for Ukraine (ala Georgia) then lengthy occupation seems less likely. Russian friendly areas get their own state and the remaining ends up sufficiently weak to be less of a threat. I doubt Russia has plans to integrate Ukraine entirely into Russia as a republic or whatever. yea. an eternal 'border dispute' and a buffer state all in one. poo poo state of affairs but about the best outcome all things considered.
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Feb 27, 2022 02:31
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Judakel posted:shut up idiot
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Feb 27, 2022 02:31
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what that guy says at the end of the shibboleth video is amazingquote:If we'll be killed it would be great, because we'll be killed in a holy war. It's not a local fight, it's really a glorious war. If we survive, it would be loving great! So I don't see any downsides, only gains! Glory to Ukraine!
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Feb 27, 2022 02:31
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psycho with a gun posted:They didn't need to contort, this thread has always been lusting for genocide. Yes.
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Feb 27, 2022 02:33
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Asproigerosis posted:What if, and hear me out on this one, what if the UN did something? Did we ever hear back on that epic legal win the Ukrainians were doing in the UN to remove Russia from the Security Council because they weren't the USSR?
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Feb 27, 2022 02:33
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As a veteran of many map games, my theorem is that putins goal is probably to land grab the donbas and destabilize and cripple the military capability of the rest of Ukraine for decades so they are a nonthreat and soft for future land grabs. Come in, wreck the poo poo out of everything, then leave and boom now you've gone from a potential nato member on your border to a war torn desolate hellscape buffer zone.
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Feb 27, 2022 02:33
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Joementum posted:the only objective that makes sense is to capture the government, destroy or capture any military equipment, and force some terms of surrender that involve a ban on re-militarization, and then leave KitConstantine posted:Here's the Russian take on events.
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