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Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



Vaginaface posted:

Could the Russians make the argument that all remaining citizens have been conscripted and armed, ergo there are no citizens in the city?

There isn't exactly a court to try this kind of case. Russia can claim that, Putin can order it, the troops can decide whether or not to carry it out - but all that's really doing is inviting the same treatment should the rest of the world find a reason to invade Russia. The problem with going gloves off is that you're giving your opponent the excuse to do the same.

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cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Vaginaface posted:

Could the Russians make the argument that all remaining citizens have been conscripted and armed, ergo there are no citizens in the city?

No, unless you plan to staff The Hague with 7th graders.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Grape posted:

I kinda don't think even Putin wants to do that. This isn't Aleppo or Grozny or what have you, this is like the Rome of Eastern Slavdom.
Putin wants his prize Rus Empire thingie, he wants Kiev in it.
And more directly he wants the image of acquiring it from usurpers and western puppets.

To level it and completely gently caress it would gently caress with all that.

Problem might be not that he wants to, but is he feeling he NEEDS to at this point.

My counter to this is that Putin will level it so he can post responses to the US embassy Twitter of "Kiev 2022" with a flat grassland and "Moscow 2022" as a grand city.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


cinci zoo sniper posted:

No, unless you plan to staff The Hague with 7th graders.

Given that Russia doesn't give a poo poo about their rank and file and that nobody is going to go into Russia to grab the generals and/or Putin, does it even matter?

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-coordinate-arms-shipments-ukraine/

quote:

The EU, which proudly self-identifies as a “peace project,” is planning a more assertive wartime role in helping Ukraine face down a massive Russian invasion — by coordinating shipments of weapons, medical supplies and financing to its neighbor under siege, senior EU officials said.

Hmmm.

KillHour posted:

Given that Russia doesn't give a poo poo about their rank and file and that nobody is going to go into Russia to grab the generals and/or Putin, does it even matter?

For multiple reasons, it doesn't indeed.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

God is it bad optics of my forum name is "WAR CRIME GIGOLO" and I'm pro Ukrainian in this war

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Vaginaface posted:

Could the Russians make the argument that all remaining citizens have been conscripted and armed, ergo there are no citizens in the city?

Yeah sure, they can say a lot of dumb poo poo

Pook Good Mook
Aug 6, 2013


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Failed Imagineer posted:

Yeah sure, they can say a lot of dumb poo poo

Agreed domestically, but his problem now is long term legitimacy/unrest and the banking sanctions. He honestly thought he'd get regime change and major fighting done before the weekend.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

God is it bad optics of my forum name is "WAR CRIME GIGOLO" and I'm pro Ukrainian in this war

Did Ukraine pay better or?

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

God is it bad optics of my forum name is "WAR CRIME GIGOLO" and I'm pro Ukrainian in this war

I'll pay for a name change if you let D&D choose it.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Quiet in Kiev and Live UA is down

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense



GreyjoyBastard posted:

how else would i have ever thought about denmark

Germany’s hat.

Vaginaface
Aug 26, 2013

HEY REI HEY REI,
do vaginaface!

Shooting Blanks posted:

I'll pay for a name change if you let D&D choose it.

Obviously I vote for "7th Grade Hague"

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



Pook Good Mook posted:

Agreed domestically, but his problem now is long term legitimacy/unrest and the banking sanctions. He honestly thought he'd get regime change and major fighting done before the weekend.

Putin's long term problem now might be his family's survival if the West is really going after all of the holdings of the rest of the oligarchs. That is not exactly a nice group of people.

HolHorsejob
Mar 14, 2020

Portrait of Cheems II of Spain by Jabona Neftman, olo pint on fird

Vaginaface posted:

Could the Russians make the argument that all remaining citizens have been conscripted and armed, ergo there are no citizens in the city?

Putin justifies his choices in whatever terms he feels like. I wouldn't be surprised if he chose them from a dart throw half the time. In the mind of the strongman, power means not needing to justify one's actions, and providing an obviously preposterous justification serves to mock anyone that would argue that your actions require justification.

Twincityhacker
Feb 18, 2011

Grandma Sunflower has a nice ring to it. Or. Grandpa or Grandy.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Shooting Blanks posted:

I'll pay for a name change if you let D&D choose it.

Keep it the same but make their avatar a picture of Putin's head photoshopped on Rob Schneider.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

Quiet in Kiev and Live UA is down

Too long for a username and not really memorable tbh

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Shooting Blanks posted:

I'll pay for a name change if you let D&D choose it.

gently caress it lets be legends dnd can choose my new name

Dante
Feb 8, 2003

Vaginaface posted:

Could the Russians make the argument that all remaining citizens have been conscripted and armed, ergo there are no citizens in the city?

Despite that it would be proper, no one will face a war crimes tribunal for this unless the current regime completely collapses. It's not a valid legal argument as it's still clearly a civillian population which is fired upon indiscriminately, but the legality is irrelevant at this point. However Russia spins it domestically, it would be very hard to overcome Kiev looking like Grozny by just propaganda. Kiev is a very well known city (and tourist destination) in eastern (and western) europe.

SlurredSpeech609
Oct 29, 2012

https://twitter.com/Hromadske/statu...abf96202e86%2F0

The entire floor of that van is covered in "charge demolition slabs" and there have been rumors of the army catching a bunch of these guys running around. I wonder if there is supposed to be a big tet offensive type moment where they hit like 100 sites at once.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

gently caress it lets be legends dnd can choose my new name

Vaginaface posted:

Obviously I vote for "7th Grade Hague"

Sir John Falstaff
Apr 13, 2010

Herstory Begins Now posted:

might be more for the EE thread, but I've seen more positive comments about poland on SA in the last 24 hours than in the last 20 years combined.

:3:

I mean, Poland is great! Its current government (barring current events) not so much.

Despera
Jun 6, 2011

quote:

DSA reaffirms our call for the US to withdraw from NATO and to end the imperialist expansionism that set the stage for this conflict

https://www.dsausa.org/statements/on-russias-invasion-of-ukraine/

No war but class war lol

Delthalaz
Mar 5, 2003






Slippery Tilde

buglord posted:

jesus christ, is this something that happens often?

They’re no angels

ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe

Vaginaface posted:

Obviously I vote for "7th Grade Hague"

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007



You loving fucks why does every American political party have to be horrible?

Twincityhacker
Feb 18, 2011

Also a talked a bit with my father about this since we are reading vastly different sources - both Pro-Ukrainian, but very different otherwise - and he was surprised that Marco Rubio was the talk piece of the US goverment.

Like there is huge message disaplice behind the tweets, but having the Republican co-chair do it just seems werid.

Trump
Jul 16, 2003

Cute

Shooting Blanks posted:

I'll pay for a name change if you let D&D choose it.

Can you add President to my name?

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015



Please loving relax:

quote:

The Democratic Socialists of America condemns Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and demands immediate diplomacy and de-escalation to resolve this crisis. We stand in solidarity with the working classes of Ukraine and Russia who will undoubtedly bear the brunt of this war, and with antiwar protestors in both countries and around the world who are calling for a diplomatic resolution.

This extreme and asymmetrical escalation is an illegal act under the United Nations Charter and severely threatens the livelihoods and well-being of working-class peoples in Ukraine, Russia, and across the region. We urge an immediate ceasefire and the total withdrawal of Russian forces from Ukraine.

Canned Sunshine
Nov 20, 2005

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KillHour posted:

You loving fucks why does every American political party have to be horrible?

It's especially ridiculous because even if this something they want to continue pushing for, they could just wait until after all of this instead of right now while Ukraine fights for its desired existence.

But no, instead, they keep harping on this like the dumbshits they're making themselves out to be.

Celexi
Nov 25, 2006

Slava Ukraini!

The Kingfish posted:

Please loving relax:

No, gently caress the DSA, " poor Russians will suffer" while Ukrainians get bombed and murdered, in their own country

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


The Kingfish posted:

Please loving relax:

The issue isn't that they're saying how great Russia is for doing this. It's that they're saying "Guyyyyys all you need to do is end NATO and talk to Russia and come to an agreement. Can't we all talk this over like adults?"

Regardless of whether they're tankies or not, that's an absolutely idiotic stance. I'm mad because I am a DSA member but you can sure as gently caress bet I'm cancelling my dues over this.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

KillHour posted:

You loving fucks why does every American political party have to be horrible?

DSA isn't a political party, it's a collection of activist groups who happen to be utter idiots.

Shes Not Impressed
Apr 25, 2004


The Kingfish posted:

Please loving relax:

Lol you left out the absolute poo poo heel part.

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

gently caress it lets be legends dnd can choose my new name

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3994938

Pook Good Mook
Aug 6, 2013


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Celexi posted:

No, gently caress the DSA, " poor Russians will suffer" while Ukrainians get bombed and murdered, in their own country

They also blame "American Imperialism" for the war. They can gently caress right off. Can't believe I donated to them once

Eric Cantonese
Dec 21, 2004

You should hear my accent.

Twincityhacker posted:

Also a talked a bit with my father about this since we are reading vastly different sources - both Pro-Ukrainian, but very different otherwise - and he was surprised that Marco Rubio was the talk piece of the US goverment.

Like there is huge message disaplice behind the tweets, but having the Republican co-chair do it just seems werid.

Given what's happening internally between the GOP establishment and the newer Trump disciples, I think it's essential that supporting Ukraine not get played off as a pure Dem partisan stance.

Rubio might be a "chud," but he's an older school Chud.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Pook Good Mook posted:

They also blame "American Imperialism" for the war. They can gently caress right off. Can't believe I donated to them once

Bernie made it sound so good :sigh:

Eric Cantonese posted:

Given what's happening internally between the GOP establishment and the newer Trump disciples, I think it's essential that supporting Ukraine not get played off as a pure Dem partisan stance.

Rubio might be a "chud," but he's an older school Chud.

Everything is partisan now, but "Big countries bombing the gently caress out of the smaller country next to them" is usually something Americans agree is bad unless we're doing it

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Trump
Jul 16, 2003

Cute
Uh, my lil friend FORTE11 is back. Looks it dipped it's toe in the Black Sea and found it too cold...

Btw, how can a UAV have flight time counted in days?

Edit: Oh poo poo, the Global Hawk has 32+ hours endurance... insane

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