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TulliusCicero
Jul 29, 2017




I'm a loving socialist and I gotta say that's some broke brain poo poo DSA. Canceling my membership

Of all the times to gently caress up when the rest of America is getting behind this too...


Is it possible it's quiet in Kyiv because the Oligarchs and Putin are having a friendly "chat" about the money situation and nobody in command knows who is going to lead Russia by next week?

TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Feb 27, 2022

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Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

KillHour posted:

The issue isn't that they're saying how great Russia is for doing this. It's that they're saying "Guyyyyys all you need to do is end NATO and talk to Russia and come to an agreement. Can't we all talk this over like adults?"

They aren't saying "all you need to do is end NATO and talk to Russia." Nowhere in that piece does it state that that is all we need to do to solve this war.

Pook Good Mook posted:

They also blame "American Imperialism" for the war. They can gently caress right off. Can't believe I donated to them once

No they don't. They say that American imperialism set the stage for the conflict, but they place the blame squarely on Russia and call on Russia to remove all troops from Ukraine.

Majorian fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Feb 27, 2022

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Trump posted:

Uh, my lil friend FORTE11 is back. Looks it dipped it's toe in the Black Sea and found it too cold...

Btw, how can a UAV have flight time counted in days?

Edit: Oh poo poo, the Global Hawk has 32+ hours endurance... insane

Yeah the expensive yankdrones can do some wild poo poo.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

KillHour posted:

Bernie made it sound so good :sigh:

Bernie's not at fault here.

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

quote:

The Democratic Socialists of America condemns Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and demands immediate diplomacy and de-escalation to resolve this crisis. We stand in solidarity with the working classes of Ukraine and Russia who will undoubtedly bear the brunt of this war, and with antiwar protestors in both countries and around the world who are calling for a diplomatic resolution.

This extreme and asymmetrical escalation is an illegal act under the United Nations Charter and severely threatens the livelihoods and well-being of working-class peoples in Ukraine, Russia, and across the region. We urge an immediate ceasefire and the total withdrawal of Russian forces from Ukraine.

There is no solution through war or further intervention. This crisis requires an immediate international antiwar response demanding de-escalation, international cooperation, and opposition to unilateral coercive measures, militarization, and other forms of economic and military brinkmanship that will only exacerbate the human toll of this conflict.

DSA reaffirms our call for the US to withdraw from NATO and to end the imperialist expansionism that set the stage for this conflict. We call on antiwar activists in the US and across the world to oppose violent escalations, demand a lasting diplomatic solution, and stress the crucial need to accept any and all refugees resulting from this crisis. Much of the next ten years are coming into view through this attack. While the failures of neoliberal order are clear to everyone, the ruling class is trying to build a new world, through a dystopic transition grounded in militarism, imperialism, and war. Socialists have a duty to build an alternative.

No war but class war.

The above is 100% correct.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Trump posted:

Uh, my lil friend FORTE11 is back. Looks it dipped it's toe in the Black Sea and found it too cold...

Btw, how can a UAV have flight time counted in days?

Edit: Oh poo poo, the Global Hawk has 32+ hours endurance... insane



That's pretty crazy, yeah.

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Bernie's not at fault here.

I didn't say he was.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


Majorian posted:

They aren't saying "all you need to do is end NATO and talk to Russia." Nowhere in that piece does it state that that is all we need to do to solve this war.

posters are on the absolute warpath rn. Very weird to see this sort of behavior in DnD.

E:

Dante80 posted:

Everything in the above is 100% correct.

Yeah. No clue what is so controversial here. If you can’t admit that NATO expansion “set the stage” for this war then you have no idea what you are talking about.

the popes toes
Oct 10, 2004

https://twitter.com/rafsanchez/status/1497710808683491342?cxt=HHwWnMC9_fKC-MgpAAAA

If the ordinary Russian normie doesn't know things are seriously hosed up yet, well, the cat may be out of the bag rather soon.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

KillHour posted:



That's pretty crazy, yeah.

I didn't say he was.

Interesting flight track

I wonder if Russia is building up in the area they did half a dozen passes in.

Possibly to encircle Mariupol?

a.lo
Sep 12, 2009

Bernie caused this

Sir John Falstaff
Apr 13, 2010

The Kingfish posted:

Please loving relax:

Yeah, no. The DSA is way off base on this one.

https://international.dsausa.org/statements/no-war-with-russia/

Anubis
Oct 9, 2003

It's hard to keep sand out of ears this big.
Fun Shoe

TulliusCicero posted:

I'm a loving socialist and I gotta say that's some broke brain poo poo DSA. Canceling my membership

Of all the times to gently caress up when the rest of America is getting behind this too...


Is it possible it's quiet in Kyiv because the Oligarchs and Putin are having a friendly "chat" about the money siuation and nobody in command knows who is going to lead Russia by next week?

With SWIFT being basically a done deal, while it's not likely it's gotta be at least an edge case possibility. I'd expect RTS to give up all it's Friday gains and then some come Monday. Sanctions over the weekend have hit hard and the milquetoast Thursday/Friday response seems to be a thing of the past.

Trump
Jul 16, 2003

Cute

KillHour posted:



That's pretty crazy, yeah.

I didn't say he was.

when is this from? Now?

Pook Good Mook
Aug 6, 2013


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Dante80 posted:

The above is 100% correct.

No it isn't.

"DSA reaffirms our call for the US to withdraw from NATO and to end the imperialist expansionism that set the stage for this conflict."

It just isn't.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Majorian posted:

They aren't saying "all you need to do is end NATO and talk to Russia." Nowhere in that piece does it state that that is all we need to do to solve this war.

No they don't. They say that American imperialism set the stage for the conflict, but they place the blame squarely on Russia and call on Russia to remove all troops from Ukraine.

quote:

There is no solution through war or further intervention. This crisis requires an immediate international antiwar response demanding de-escalation, international cooperation, and opposition to unilateral coercive measures, militarization, and other forms of economic and military brinkmanship that will only exacerbate the human toll of this conflict.

This is a lot of words to say we need to solve this with words and stern letters.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

KillHour posted:



That's pretty crazy, yeah.

I didn't say he was.

Is this the first time it's been over Ukraine proper? Seems everything I've seen so far is hanging over the Black Sea.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015



This is from a month ago.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

a.lo posted:

Bernie caused this

If Bernie had won the pan Slavic socialist union and the Union of anglo socialist republics would be allies and there would be no need to conquer Ukraine!

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Trump posted:

when is this from? Now?

https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1496684406337060866

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


Pook Good Mook posted:

No it isn't.

"DSA reaffirms our call for the US to withdraw from NATO and to end the imperialist expansionism that set the stage for this conflict."

It just isn't.

It is.

Shes Not Impressed
Apr 25, 2004


quote:

DSA lol:
In order to de-escalate the crisis and avoid further conflict and death in Eastern Europe and the Caucasus, DSA International Committee calls on the US to reverse its ongoing militarization in the region, avoid implementing sanctions against Russia, and uphold internationally agreed upon commitments to end NATO’s expansionist drive to provide guarantees that Ukraine will remain a neutral state. These measures are crucial for diplomacy to bring about a resolution to this conflict without it spiraling into a larger regional war between nuclear powers. We call on anti-war activists to be resolute in opposing military escalations and to demand a lasting diplomatic solution.

Straight outta the Kremlin with this one. What a bunch of stooges. Is this comm director born in the 2000s and never read a loving book?

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006

Twincityhacker posted:

Also a talked a bit with my father about this since we are reading vastly different sources - both Pro-Ukrainian, but very different otherwise - and he was surprised that Marco Rubio was the talk piece of the US goverment.

Like there is huge message disaplice behind the tweets, but having the Republican co-chair do it just seems werid.
I think it makes sense. I think a lot of Liberals imagine Rubio as a moderate, Leftists may hate him, but I agree with people that it doesn't feel like there is a reason to doubt him. And he's an anti-Putin voice that can reach to Republicans when some of their leaders are actively praising Putin or at least apologizing for his actions. I think he's a good choice that makes sense in building a national consensus about the situation which I have to imagine Biden desperately wants.

Trump
Jul 16, 2003

Cute

Young Freud posted:

Is this the first time it's been over Ukraine proper? Seems everything I've seen so far is hanging over the Black Sea.

Same, pretty sure it did circles in the Black Sea for more than 2 days when the invasion started, never saw it, or any other foreign aircraft cross the border.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

KillHour posted:

I didn't say he was.

I know you didn't, I just wanted to clarify because some of the more stupid out there can't tell the difference between Bernie and his stupidest fans.

Dante80 posted:

The above is 100% correct.

No, it isn't.

Raymond T. Racing
Jun 11, 2019

"country actively trying to steamroll another country"

"what if we ask them to not do it even harder, and stop the non-military actions to try to stop them from doing it to"

I've been having trouble figuring out exactly where my politics lie, but it's definitely not with the DSA for this stupid take

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




TulliusCicero posted:

Is it possible it's quiet in Kyiv because the Oligarchs and Putin are having a friendly "chat" about the money siuation and nobody in command knows who is going to lead Russia by next week?

That seems to be extremely improbable, but it is likely that specifically sanctions against the foreign currency reserves of the central bank have given Putin a pause.

Besides, combat was really hot in other areas. Vasylki airfield seems to be still contested, and Kharkiv was getting pummelled with indirect fire.

Twincityhacker
Feb 18, 2011

The only thing that set the stage for this is Putin and his racist brainworms.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Young Freud posted:

Is this the first time it's been over Ukraine proper? Seems everything I've seen so far is hanging over the Black Sea.

It was flying over Ukraine right before invasion, but then it noped out.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

KillHour posted:

This is a lot of words to say we need to solve this with words and stern letters.

The one and only way this war is going to end with Ukraine independent is through a lot of diplomacy. Ukraine's military and citizens are doing a brave, admirable job of standing up against the Russians, but they're not going to survive this thing on their armed forces alone.

e: lmao classy red text!

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

GreyjoyBastard posted:

they did buy some Turkish ones after the Nagorno-Karabakh tech demo

lol you keep saying this and i will keep correcting you that they were buying them for more than a year or two before that. They also got licensed to produce them domestically.

ukraine operates a whole bunch of other drone platforms, too.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

Interesting flight track

I wonder if Russia is building up in the area they did half a dozen passes in.

Possibly to encircle Mariupol?

The passes are over Donbas fortifications.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Majorian posted:

e: lmao classy red text!

It's quite accurate AFAICT.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Fritz the Horse
Dec 26, 2019

... of course!
"it is" and "it isn't" are not very good arguments for the debate and discussion forum, I'm gonna need more word count

edit: also, the conversation re: NATO is pretty well-trodden, see the OP. If you want to discuss NATO expansion and the invasion of Ukraine, make sure it's contributing something new to the discussion.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Trump posted:

Btw, how can a UAV have flight time counted in days?
You can save a lot of weight and space if you aren't designing around a person.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




the popes toes posted:

https://twitter.com/rafsanchez/status/1497710808683491342?cxt=HHwWnMC9_fKC-MgpAAAA

If the ordinary Russian normie doesn't know things are seriously hosed up yet, well, the cat may be out of the bag rather soon.

They’ll find out soon enough, since Apple Pay is crapping out for customers of sanctioned banks. There’s going to be a lot of suddenly informed new money types.

Trump
Jul 16, 2003

Cute

Doctor Spaceman posted:

You can save a lot of weight and space if you aren't designing around a person.

My mom says I have big bones.... :(

virtualboyCOLOR
Dec 22, 2004

KillHour posted:

This is a lot of words to say we need to solve this with words and stern letters.

Or seize business, property, and assets of the Russian Oligarchs that support Putin and nationalize them.

The UK could do this now but they don’t actually give a poo poo.

Despera
Jun 6, 2011
Lenin kicked out my ancestors before they could get pogramed :(

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015


Judakel posted:

I've been hearing about stuff like this for a couple of days, but this is the first time I've seen videos of it.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Damilare_arah/status/1497654141350522880

https://mobile.twitter.com/Damilare_arah/status/1497701358861959169

This is happening with Latin Americans too, at least with Brazilians.
loving hell, Eastern Europe.

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Sir John Falstaff
Apr 13, 2010

The Kingfish posted:

This is from a month ago.

So? Have they disavowed it?

It's still on their website as their statement.

Sir John Falstaff fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Feb 27, 2022

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