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M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon

Melthir posted:

How much rubles can I get for ISK?

Realistically doing some RMT shenanigans to exchange your billions of worthless video game currency for whatever in devalued Russian currency might benefit you in the long run since it's probably going to drop another 20% then bounce around. It's not like Russia suddenly doesn't have an industrial base anymore., theyre just expecting to be insular for a while.

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Radical 90s Wizard
Aug 5, 2008

~SS-18 burning bright,
Bathe me in your cleansing light~

Icon Of Sin posted:


they bagged a loving Chechen general ffs, then sent his buddies home crying

Has this been confirmed? Not saying you're wrong, just I never saw any more about it and it gets hard to keep up.

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

Duzzy Funlop posted:

Also, I'm not religious, but I'm pretty sure I'm subconsciouly praying for today's peace talks being fruitful, and the reason for the stopped advance on Kyiv.

Because the other two possible explanations I do not like very much at all.

Not sure on your two explanations,
Guessing that explanation

1: "minimum safe distance"

2: [del]"Well, these occupied areas aren't going to war crime themselves"[/del] Bringing up artillery to pound the city into rubble and dust.

There's also 3, 4 , 5 and 6:

3: They've reached the limit of their supply; some figures were saying thousands of lost road tankers and trucks and that's going to have a material materiel impact. I think this is the most likely reason.

4: Mud. Russia probably wanted to invade over hardpack and got slop. The detente may be them working out where they want their forces to hold until soil conditions improve.

5: Morale and mutiny. 5:24 is the ratio of officers and NCOs to junior enlisted in a BMP platoon.

6: War's over, stay here to fly the flag long enough for propaganda to spin this and then come home neglected nobodies. Looks at palm cards Heroes. It says heroes.

IPCRESS fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Feb 28, 2022

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Grand Fromage posted:

It seems hard to believe they could lose (the invasion, not counting the insurgency driving them out which seems certain if they stayed to occupy) with how much of a numerical superiority they have. But it sure does seem like their army sucks rear end.

I thought this at first too, but they only amassed around 190,000 troops to attack about the same number of defenders. Classic Napoleonic ratios would require 3:1 for conventional force on force, and anywhere from 6:1 to 10:1 for urban operations. And it very much seems like the theories of prosecuting a conventional war (air superiority, logistics, overwhelming your enemy, and massing fires) are holding true, but have been cheerfully ignored by Russian planners.

Every schoolhouse in the US Army will be analyzing this for years.

psydude fucked around with this message at 08:18 on Feb 28, 2022

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
Thought about how this will age:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzvbUpKU4eE

"Complete air superiority"

welp lol

Spoggerific
May 28, 2009
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1498191746290925569

I don't know poo poo about radio encryption, but isn't this an incredibly bad idea?

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
Not for them at least.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


If what we're seeing is true it seems like armor is just a deathtrap too. Or do their tanks/APCs particularly suck? Or is the army apparently forgetting they need to bring fuel causing a problem that an army not run by Mr Magoo wouldn't have? I haven't read a lot of modern military stuff in a while but tanks don't seem all that useful if there's a random dude with a Javelin around every corner. And the missiles are a whole lot cheaper.

Action-Bastard
Jan 1, 2008

Grand Fromage posted:

If what we're seeing is true it seems like armor is just a deathtrap too. Or do their tanks/APCs particularly suck? Or is the army apparently forgetting they need to bring fuel causing a problem that an army not run by Mr Magoo wouldn't have? I haven't read a lot of modern military stuff in a while but tanks don't seem all that useful if there's a random dude with a Javelin around every corner. And the missiles are a whole lot cheaper.

Its largely due to them deploying the tanks without infantry support. Anyone can walk up with AT weapons and take a shot.

The Ukrainians mostly have the same armor/tanks. They're just using them much smarter.

Honestly the parallels between this and the first Chechen war are astonishing.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

https://mobile.twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1498191541675958273?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

From the way it's written, it sounds like the Ukrainians still have Hostomel? Or maybe they're just talking about how their earlier success at holding it and then disabling the runways stalled the Russians.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках
Yeah, tanks without infantry support means the folks in ambush aren't getting routed out, which means they can make it rain Javelins without much risk.

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
https://twitter.com/adamsculthorpe/status/1498200857917198339?s=21

Fragrag
Aug 3, 2007
The Worst Admin Ever bashes You in the head with his banhammer. It is smashed into the body, an unrecognizable mass! You have been struck down.

psydude posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1498191541675958273?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet


From the way it's written, it sounds like the Ukrainians still have Hostomel? Or maybe they're just talking about how their earlier success at holding it and then disabling the runways stalled the Russians.

My interpretation is that Hostomel and surrounding areas are active combat flashpoints. The Ukrainians don't even have to hold the airport, they can simply shut it down by keeping the area around the runway contested.

Wombot
Sep 11, 2001

If that's true, painting an invasion Z on your tractor is extremely funny in it's own right.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках
Apparently it's just a parking lot for discount armor right now.

https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1498083374656802816

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





Wasabi the J posted:

Thought about how this will age:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzvbUpKU4eE

"Complete air superiority"

welp lol

Honestly that video is more or less bang on how everyone thought it would go. They didn't start with the 2 day bombardment mentioned, and they are now trying the Odessa sealift which the video calls risky.

What's the range on a Javelin, and what would it do to a landing craft?

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





https://twitter.com/jathansadowski/...ingawful.com%2F

Stravag
Jun 7, 2009

I. loving. Hate. Cryptobros so much.

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Stravag posted:

I. loving. Hate. Cryptobros so much.

It’s worse when you have to see it on the Jersey of your favorite basketball team and on the floor at the Wells Fargo Center.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках
https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1498087768823635968

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

Honestly that video is more or less bang on how everyone thought it would go. They didn't start with the 2 day bombardment mentioned, and they are now trying the Odessa sealift which the video calls risky.

What's the range on a Javelin, and what would it do to a landing craft?

Depends on where they're landing. If the shore is too shallow they'll have to ditch the bigger landing craft and go with smaller ones that would be an easier target for direct fire weapons. Bigger landing craft wouldn't be too affected by an ATGM, but their draft is obviously deeper.

For example, here's one of the medium landing craft the US Army used to use:



They're quite large and can make it to shore, but may run into issues if the slope is too shallow.



These are the small landing craft used by the US Army. As you can see, an RPG could mess them up. I've ridden in them before (when I was in a watercraft unit), and they're quite fast, but have basically no protection.

I'm sure the Russians have comparable equipment.

Odessa is of course a deep water harbor, but it would be very easy to defend. Then again given their overconfidence so far, I wouldn't rule out them trying to pull right up to the port and offload everyone.

psydude fucked around with this message at 10:23 on Feb 28, 2022

Caconym
Feb 12, 2013

Comrade Blyatlov posted:


What's the range on a Javelin, and what would it do to a landing craft?

Russians use large landing ships, with organic Grad MLRS, medium artillery and autocannon, so should be able to thouroghly suppress their own landing beaches even without escorts.
But then again, there seems to be a lot of things the Russians should be able to do that they can't or won't actually do, so :shrug:

The Black Sea Fleet has some each of these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ropucha-class_landing_ship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alligator-class_landing_ship
and I seem to remember seeing a tweet from the Bosporos a couple of weeks ago, indicating reinforcement of more LCTs from the Baltic fleet.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Caconym posted:

Russians use large landing ships, with organic Grad MLRS, medium artillery and autocannon, so should be able to thouroghly suppress their own landing beaches even without escorts.
But then again, there seems to be a lot of things the Russians should be able to do that they can't or won't actually do, so :shrug:

The Black Sea Fleet has some each of these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ropucha-class_landing_ship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alligator-class_landing_ship
and I seem to remember seeing a tweet from the Bosporos a couple of weeks ago, indicating reinforcement of more LCTs from the Baltic fleet.

Their doctrine must presume they've landed troops via helicopter or airborne insertion ahead of time (which it sounds like they've attempted, and failed at, already), because holy poo poo those things are floating write-offs if they plan on driving them right up to the port.

Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

---FAGNER---
TEAM-MATE

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

Honestly that video is more or less bang on how everyone thought it would go. They didn't start with the 2 day bombardment mentioned, and they are now trying the Odessa sealift which the video calls risky.

Yes. In the build up of the invasion, it seems like every comment both predicted that Putin would never invade Ukraine, and that if he did, the Ukrainians would be powerless to stop him. We ragged on Putin for huffing his own farts, overestimating his troops and underestimating the Ukrainians. But that seems to have been the genuine opinion of most "experts" before the war, so in a way, you can't even fault him for this particular miscalculation.

Caconym
Feb 12, 2013

psydude posted:

Their doctrine must presume they've landed troops via helicopter or airborne insertion ahead of time (which it sounds like they've attempted, and failed at, already), because holy poo poo those things are floating write-offs if they plan on driving them right up to the port.

They're meant to go in at remote beaches, they don't need ports.
And the coast around Odessa is nice beaches for miles on both sides.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXC3UlVMKoQ
So land a full BTG on each side of the city, and then assault.

Radical 90s Wizard
Aug 5, 2008

~SS-18 burning bright,
Bathe me in your cleansing light~

Spoggerific posted:

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1498191746290925569

I don't know poo poo about radio encryption, but isn't this an incredibly bad idea?

This is absolutely insane for any professional military, holy poo poo. Unbelievable, lol.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Yeah like, I wouldn't even use unencrypted channels, and I basically only chat with my friends about death metal and beer.

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

Torrannor posted:

Yes. In the build up of the invasion, it seems like every comment both predicted that Putin would never invade Ukraine, and that if he did, the Ukrainians would be powerless to stop him. We ragged on Putin for huffing his own farts, overestimating his troops and underestimating the Ukrainians. But that seems to have been the genuine opinion of most "experts" before the war, so in a way, you can't even fault him for this particular miscalculation.

I feel like you can't even fault the experts for that assumption. I vividly recall the time in the pre-2000s when the ongoing joke was that Russia wouldn't even have fuel to let their nukes fly.

This was followed by 20 years of Russia moving towards the point where they had half of Europe in their pocket on energy-dependence alone and we're making stupid bank connected to those deals. Granted, Putins Regime is a big ol corruption-grift, but with the expansion and modernization of its military, there was a very believable explanation of where some of that money was going.

I always had Putin figured out as the type of autocrat that would have a good feel and instinct of which farts to huff and which bullshit reports from his sycophants to believe, because I kinda doubt he would have went down this road if he was fully aware of the absolutely desolate state of his armed forces that would make him lose face so goddamn hard.

I can only assume they corruptioned so comically hard that literally all of that good oil and gas money disappeared into pockets of every single officer on the way down the chain.

vuk83
Oct 9, 2012

KozmoNaut posted:

Yeah like, I wouldn't even use unencrypted channels, and I basically only chat with my friends about death metal and beer.

Tactical level comms doesn't really need to be encrypted. Any Intel gained is very perishable.

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





Duzzy Funlop posted:

I feel like you can't even fault the experts for that assumption. I vividly recall the time in the pre-2000s when the ongoing joke was that Russia wouldn't even have fuel to let their nukes fly.

This was followed by 20 years of Russia moving towards the point where they had half of Europe in their pocket on energy-dependence alone and we're making stupid bank connected to those deals. Granted, Putins Regime is a big ol corruption-grift, but with the expansion and modernization of its military, there was a very believable explanation of where some of that money was going.

I always had Putin figured out as the type of autocrat that would have a good feel and instinct of which farts to huff and which bullshit reports from his sycophants to believe, because I kinda doubt he would have went down this road if he was fully aware of the absolutely desolate state of his armed forces that would make him lose face so goddamn hard.

I can only assume they corruptioned so comically hard that literally all of that good oil and gas money disappeared into pockets of every single officer on the way down the chain.

I wonder if he just lost touch with reality. I mean let's be honest here - he had POTUS eating out of his hand. Maybe he just genuinely thought he was that good.

Jokers Gamble
May 31, 2013

Torrannor posted:

Yes. In the build up of the invasion, it seems like every comment both predicted that Putin would never invade Ukraine, and that if he did, the Ukrainians would be powerless to stop him. We ragged on Putin for huffing his own farts, overestimating his troops and underestimating the Ukrainians. But that seems to have been the genuine opinion of most "experts" before the war, so in a way, you can't even fault him for this particular miscalculation.

I definitely fault him. He's a head of state with an intelligence apparatus, he should have better Intel and a factual assessment of his military capabilities. Instead, he's replaced anyone who might push back with sycophantic yes-men. He replaced the guy who was trying to reform their military and crack down on corruption in their MIC because the corruption was beneficial to him and his friends, and to avoid the guy gaining any political clout. It's the classic psychotic autocrat blunder.

Radical 90s Wizard
Aug 5, 2008

~SS-18 burning bright,
Bathe me in your cleansing light~

vuk83 posted:

Tactical level comms doesn't really need to be encrypted. Any Intel gained is very perishable.



Lmao that's not true at all, especially since it mentions HF which would suggest longer range, not just squad/platoon level comms.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

The US made ample use of tactical SIGINT in Syria and Afghanistan. It was particularly effective against ISIS.

Spoggerific
May 28, 2009
Looks like Russia might be going Grozny now.

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1498234139551715329

Video spoilered and embed removed for being a MRLS barrage in the middle of a city near residential areas.

brains
May 12, 2004

vuk83 posted:

Tactical level comms doesn't really need to be encrypted. Any Intel gained is very perishable.

this is an exceptionally incorrect hot take, unless you also consider the operators perishable.

https://twitter.com/MellowoodHill/status/1498201864805957634?s=20&t=Q0feAOqbGgQvQHPdSrMHyQ

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

brains posted:

this is an exceptionally incorrect hot take, unless you also consider the operators perishable.

Given the way things are going for Russia, he's probably right.

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


Caconym posted:

Russians use large landing ships, with organic Grad MLRS, medium artillery and autocannon, so should be able to thouroghly suppress their own landing beaches even without escorts.
But then again, there seems to be a lot of things the Russians should be able to do that they can't or won't actually do, so :shrug:

The Black Sea Fleet has some each of these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ropucha-class_landing_ship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alligator-class_landing_ship
and I seem to remember seeing a tweet from the Bosporos a couple of weeks ago, indicating reinforcement of more LCTs from the Baltic fleet.

Where are the two Zubrs? In the Baltics?

MonkeyLibFront
Feb 26, 2003
Where's the cake?

vuk83 posted:

Tactical level comms doesn't really need to be encrypted. Any Intel gained is very perishable.

Nope, FUP's, OBS crossing, FLOT, Ressuply Details, C/S etc etc all transmitted, all incredibly valuable and not that perishable.

Caconym
Feb 12, 2013

aphid_licker posted:

Where are the two Zubrs? In the Baltics?

Don't know, but 5 Ropuchas and 1 Ivan Gren passed into the Black Sea two weeks ago, along with whatever they already had there that's a hefty amphib force.
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/russia-central-asia/article/3166350/ukraine-crisis-six-russian-amphibious-landing-ships

Each and every one can land 10 MBTs or 13 APCs and 340 troops.

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Naked Bear
Apr 15, 2007

Boners was recorded before a studio audience that was alive!

vuk83 posted:

Tactical level comms doesn't really need to be encrypted. Any Intel gained is very perishable.
Sorry, big nope. Being able to intercept even lower level enemy traffic is a huge advantage, especially when combined with direction finding. For the guys on the ground, listening in allows them to continuously stay one step ahead of the enemy. For folks further up, I'm sure that info can also be aggregated for greater benefit.

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